[Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released & Article about El Macero

Shneor Sherman szsherm at yahoo.com
Tue Dec 1 16:46:59 PST 2015


Russell, sorry to differ, but while some tech expertise will be needed (not necessarily in coding BTW), expertise in finance and on how best to educate Davis voters on the issue will also be needed. In addition, someone who can handle public hearings, which will be required once a concrete proposal is on the table, and community members who know nothing about this project, including folks who will vote against any tax. If you can properly educate those people, they will become the best advocates in preparation for an election. Some official representatives will also be needed, because they will help inform city council members, and will also represent municipal and school board interests.

Shneor Sherman 
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On Tue, 12/1/15, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released & Article about El Macero
 To: "Steve McMahon" <steve at dcn.org>, "davisgig at list.omsoft.com" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 3:10 PM
 
 Ideally, we'd want the task force to
 be as nerdy as possible. A deeper
 understanding of computing and networking, more than any
 other factor,
 would militate against the big monopolies. Also, people with
 close ties
 to BigCableCo will probably tend to be business-oriented,
 not
 technical.
 
 So... we should advocate that task force members have some
 serious
 technical chops on their resumes, preferably quantified in
 publications
 accepted and lines of code written, rather than dollars
 marshaled.
 
 
 Russell
 
 On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:44 -0800, Steve McMahon wrote:
 > The composition of the task force will also be very
 important, and we
 > should keep an eye on the selection process.
 > 
 > In particular, we'll want to make sure that nobody is
 appointed who
 > has a direct or indirect financial connection to the
 cable industry
 > or works in any position funded via cable franchise
 funds.
 > 
 > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org>
 > wrote:
 > > I agree with this general assessment. I have alway
 been taken aback
 > > by
 > > how conservative the city staff is. It makes for a
 weird contrast
 > > with
 > > the city polity. They are, nevertheless, extremely
 professional.
 > > 
 > > It's critical to have support of the Council,
 preferably
 > > unanimously.
 > > If there are any council members opposed, we need
 to figure out
 > > why,
 > > and what to do about it.
 > > 
 > > 
 > > Russell
 > > 
 > > On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000, Shneor Sherman
 via Davisgig
 > > wrote:
 > > > Once again, I have to say that if individual
 city council members
 > > are
 > > > not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone
 is acquainted with
 > > any
 > > > city council member, please have a
 conversation with them about
 > > this.
 > > > We have made a pretty good rough cost
 estimate of $30 million. We
 > > > don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility
 tax will do just as
 > > well.
 > > > The franchise, as far as I understand,
 applies just to the city
 > > and
 > > > school district. Pulling the item off the
 consent calendar  is
 > > > definitely the best way to go. City staff
 might be pro comcast
 > > > (status quo), if they have any position at
 all. That's why
 > > educated
 > > > city council direction is vital.
 > > >
 > > > Shneor Sherman
 > > > --------------------------------------------
 > > > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org>
 wrote:
 > > >
 > > >  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis
 Staff Report on Broadband
 > > > Released & Article about El Macero
 > > >  To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com>
 > > >  Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
 <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 > > >  Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56
 PM
 > > >
 > > >  I think
 > > >  the possibility of a Spring 2016
 measure was ruled out the
 > > >  moment that we knew we would have other
 financial matters on
 > > >  the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax
 measures before the
 > > >  voters at the same time. The risk of
 everything failing is
 > > >  too high.
 > > >  I see this as a
 > > >  reminder that the interests of the
 institutional city and
 > > >  the staff are not identical with ours.
 We need to make sure
 > > >  that the creation of a task force does
 not eliminate or even
 > > >  reduce activist efforts. There needs to
 be some pressure
 > > >  from the outside. This will help keep a
 task force that may
 > > >  well have some pro-cable or anti-tax
 representatives
 > > >  honest.
 > > >  Whether the
 > > >  item gets pulled from consent or not, I
 don't think it
 > > >  would hurt to have some speakers
 pushing for an aggressive
 > > >  timetable and a high priority.
 > > >  On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
 > > >  9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
 > > >  wrote:
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >      Hi
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >      Yeah so anyone else
 please give it a neutral read, is
 > > >  our
 > > >      characterization
 misplaced, in regards to this report
 > > >  ?  Don't want
 > > >      to mess up our graduation
 to task force status,
 > > >  but...
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >      Could be we have to queue
 up in the public comment
 > > >  tomorrow and ask
 > > >      to be removed from
 consent.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >      I've emailed the city
 staff about the document and
 > > >  its priorities to
 > > >      see if I can get more
 understanding and clarity
 > > >  verbally.
 > > >
 > > >      I'll post results
 tomorrow.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >      Thanks
 > > >
 > > >      RAN
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >      On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM,
 Douglas A.
 > > >        Walter wrote:
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >        Hi. It seems clear
 to me that we should
 > > >  not let the current
 > > >          Council
 accept the staff recommendation. I would
 > > >  argue that in
 > > >          2018, when
 the Comcast franchise agreement expires,
 > > >  the
 > > >         
 City+Schools will feel desperate to assure that
 > > >  their pipes to
 > > >          the
 Internet don't get cut off (or busted back
 > > >  to modem speeds),
 > > >          and that
 will help Comcast's negotiating
 > > >  position on franchise
 > > >          renewal. I
 haven't taken the time to read the
 > > >  report, but does
 > > >          it not
 sound like this is a very important deciding
 > > >  point?
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >        I'd say NO to the
 timeline, and no to the
 > > >  Task Force as
 > > >          proposed.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >          On Nov 30,
 2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
 > > >  Nickerson wrote:
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >         
    Hi
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >           
   I can only agree on that, now that I have read
 > > >  this over.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >           
   The last interactions I've had with the City
 > > >  Staff have been
 > > >           
   negative
 > > >
 > > >           
   on having a June 2016 vote because of the
 > > >  competing tax
 > > >           
   measure,
 > > >
 > > >           
    and they suggested 11/2016 as more
 > > >  appropriate.
 > > >
 > > >           
     ked them to look into the reported
 > > >  requirement that an
 > > >           
   election where there is a bond issue
 > > >
 > > >           
   needed to be a city council election, and have
 > > >  received no
 > > >           
   definitive answer.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >           
    Looks like this task force is a step back
 from
 > > >  even getting
 > > >           
   municipal Fiber optic,
 > > >
 > > >           
    but more  focused on studying
 broadband in
 > > >  Davis,  and a
 > > >           
   lot of extra effort.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >           
   Anyone have any ideas on what to do with this ?
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >           
   The staff report and recommendation will be
 > > >  presented as a
 > > >           
   consent item tomorrow at the city council.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >           
   Thanks
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >           
   P.S. How does this relate to the Sports
 > > >  Complex?
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >           
   On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
 > > >           
     Sherman wrote:
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >           
     The timeline will not allow for a 2016
 > > >  referendum or any popular vote in 2016.
 This proposal calls
 > > >  for a second timeline to be started in
 July, 2016 for policy
 > > >  revisions, public hearings, etc. It's
 probably more
 > > >  realistic to look at 2018, when
 Comcast's franchise
 > > >  expires.
 > > >
 > > >  Shneor Sherman
 > > > 
 --------------------------------------------
 > > >  On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson
 <rob at omsoft.com>
 > > >  wrote:
 > > >
 > > >   Subject: [Davisgig] City of
 Davis Staff Report on Broadband
 > > >  Released & Article about El Macero
 > > >   To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
 > > >  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 > > >   Date: Monday, November 30,
 2015, 11:08 AM
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >       Hi All
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >       1) Thanks to
 all your efforts, we have a council item
 > > >  on
 > > >   the consent
 > > >       calendar for
 Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend Davis
 > > >  adopt
 > > >   the Yolo
 > > >       Broadband Plan
 and make a Task Force to help the city
 > > >   decide what is
 > > >       best to do for
 Davis for fiber.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >       A copy of the
 staff report is here:
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >       
 > > http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
 > > >
 tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband
 > > -Update.pdf
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >       Its a rather
 large document because it has the Yolo
 > > >   Broadband Plan
 > > >       attached to
 it. The details about the Task force are in
 > > >   the first
 > > >       pages.  I
 don't think this would have materialized
 > > >   at all at the
 > > >       City level
 without everyone being a force, and asking
 > > >   for and
 > > >       delivering on
 meetings, and Public Outreach.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >       2) An article
 about community businesses funding an
 > > >   Upgrade for El
 > > >       Macero -
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >   
 > > http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
 > > > s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >       Does anyone
 have any insight on whether this is really
 > > >  a
 > > >   Fiber
 > > >       deployment or
 just paying a deposit to fund a build out
 > > >   by Comcast?
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >       Thanks
 > > >
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 > > >
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 Nickerson
 > > >
 > > >
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