A delay is only worthwhile if the council directs city staff to work with DavisGig. Otherwise, it would most likely be wasted time. City staff are already committed to their proposal, and without direction will see no reason to change anything.
Other options would be to email city council members now, to prepare them. The more emails, the better.
Shneor Sherman
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On Tue, 12/1/15, Gary Darling <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released & Article about El Macero
To: "Robert Nickerson" <omrob at omsoft.com>
Cc: davisgig at list.omsoft.com
Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
Robert et.
al,
Asking for a delay was what I was
going to suggest also. A task force is a normal governmental
process for an issue like this. It is not the only way to
get this done but I don’t think that we can arrive at
another alternative that has support even within our small
group in the time remaining.
—Gary
On Dec 1,
2015, at 12:04 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
wrote:
Hi
Thanks for your comments on voting for a
bond Steve, I would say
any regular election is great. So that adds more dates
to a possible
calendar aside from 6/2016 or 6/2018.
So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance
that
supersedes this State of California law I assume?
http://qcode.us/codes/davis/
Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been
involved
with, we have asked the City Staff to move this forward,
and
expressed the urgency of the need.
The task force is great, I just am concerned with what
it is being
asked to do right now in this staff report document.
Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach
event,
interview persons, that is rehashing what has happened
over this
year.
I think this task force should be about municipal fiber
optic for
Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband connection types,
and gather
lots of subjective
anecdotal comments about peoples broadband
experiences.
So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some
time to work
with Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and
what it hopes
to accomplish.
Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments
to the
scope and work of the task force either before its voted
on tonight,
at
public comment or asking it be postponed?
I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill
post after that.
Thanks
RAN
On 12/1/2015
10:12 AM, Douglas A.
Walter wrote:
In no way attacking City
staff or Gary Darling, I think this
advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of
a gigabit
municipal fiber network.
I'm not sold on my
"better alternative," but since the slow
task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this
instead:
This
proposal calls for a second timeline to be started
in July,
2016 for policy revisions, public hearings,
etc. That's going
to mean the City will have nothing in place for
when the
Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The
City Council
should instead direct staff to explore a revenue
bond or
utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit
fiber to the
home (and office and school, etc.).
Thoughts?
On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57
AM, Gary Darling wrote:
It’s the
role of staff to offer alternatives to the
council and I
too have found them to be very professional.
Given the
many ways that this network might play out it
is wise to
have a citizen’s advisory body with
technical expertise
appointed and up to speed. The task force is a
reasonable
thing to form at this juncture - I think we
should have
asked for this body early on to avoid the
timing problems
that now face the city. If we ask to take the
task force
item off of the consent calendar we will need
to decide
what we would ask for instead and have broad
agreement
between us on the new strategy. If someone has
an
alternative suggest it now, and let’s
discuss. Otherwise
we should just let the task force go forward
as a consent
item and do what we can to assure that the
group serves
the public good.
—Gary
On Dec 1,
2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve
McMahon <steve at dcn.org>
wrote:
The composition of the
task force will also be very
important, and we
should keep an eye on the selection
process.
In
particular, we'll want to make
sure that nobody is appointed who
has a direct
or indirect financial connection
to the cable
industry or works in any position
funded via
cable franchise funds.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at
2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org>
wrote:
I agree
with
this general assessment. I have
alway been
taken aback by
how conservative the city staff
is. It makes
for a weird contrast with
the city polity. They are,
nevertheless,
extremely professional.
It's critical to have
support of the
Council, preferably
unanimously.
If there are any council members
opposed, we
need to figure out why,
and what to do about it.
Russell
On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09
+0000,
Shneor Sherman via Davisgig
wrote:
> Once again, I have to
say that if
individual city council
members are
> not on board, nothing
will
happen.If anyone is
acquainted with any
> city council member,
please have a
conversation with them about
this.
> We have made a pretty
good rough
cost estimate of $30
million. We
> don't necessarily
need a bond, as a
utility tax will do just as
well.
> The franchise, as far
as I
understand, applies just to
the city and
> school district.
Pulling the item
off the consent
calendar is
> definitely the best way
to go. City
staff might be pro
comcast
> (status quo), if they
have any
position at all. That's
why educated
> city council direction
is vital.
>
> Shneor Sherman
>
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> On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve
McMahon
<steve at dcn.org>
wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
[Davisgig] City of
Davis Staff Report on
Broadband
> Released & Article
about El
Macero
> To: "Robert
Nickerson @ Omsoft"
<omrob at omsoft.com>
> Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
<davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> Date: Monday,
November 30, 2015,
9:56 PM
>
> I think
> the possibility
of a Spring 2016
measure was ruled out the
> moment that we
knew we would have
other financial matters
on
> the ballot.
Nobody wants multiple
tax measures before the
> voters at the
same time. The risk
of everything failing is
> too high.
> I see this as
a
> reminder that the
interests of the
institutional city and
> the staff are not
identical with
ours. We need to make
sure
> that the creation
of a task force
does not eliminate or
even
> reduce activist
efforts. There
needs to be some pressure
> from the outside.
This will help
keep a task force that
may
> well have some
pro-cable or
anti-tax representatives
> honest.
> Whether the
> item gets pulled
from consent or
not, I don't think it
> would hurt to
have some speakers
pushing for an aggressive
> timetable and a
high priority.
> On Mon, Nov 30,
2015 at
> 9:24 PM, Robert
Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hi
>
>
>
>
Yeah so anyone else please
give it a neutral read,
is
> our
>
characterization misplaced, in
regards to this report
> ? Don't
want
> to
mess up our graduation to
task force status,
> but...
>
>
>
>
Could be we have to queue up
in the public comment
> tomorrow and
ask
> to
be removed from consent.
>
>
>
>
I've emailed the city staff
about the document and
> its priorities
to
> see
if I can get more
understanding and clarity
> verbally.
>
>
I'll post results tomorrow.
>
>
>
>
Thanks
>
>
RAN
>
>
>
>
>
> On
11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas
A.
>
Walter wrote:
>
>
>
>
Hi. It seems clear to me
that we should
> not let the
current
>
Council accept the staff
recommendation. I would
> argue that in
>
2018, when the Comcast
franchise agreement
expires,
> the
>
City+Schools will feel
desperate to assure that
> their pipes to
>
the Internet don't get cut
off (or busted back
> to modem
speeds),
>
and that will help
Comcast's negotiating
> position on
franchise
>
renewal. I haven't taken
the time to read the
> report, but
does
>
it not sound like this is
a very important deciding
> point?
>
>
>
>
I'd say NO to the timeline,
and no to the
> Task Force as
>
proposed.
>
>
>
>
On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53
PM, Robert
> Nickerson
wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
Hi
>
>
>
>
I can only agree on
that, now that I have
read
> this over.
>
>
>
>
The last interactions
I've had with the
City
> Staff have
been
>
negative
>
>
on having a June 2016
vote because of the
> competing tax
>
measure,
>
>
and they suggested
11/2016 as more
> appropriate.
>
>
ked them to look
into the reported
> requirement that
an
>
election where there
is a bond issue
>
>
needed to be a city
council election, and
have
> received no
>
definitive answer.
>
>
>
>
Looks like this task
force is a step back from
> even getting
>
municipal Fiber optic,
>
>
but more focused on
studying broadband in
> Davis, and
a
>
lot of extra effort.
>
>
>
>
Anyone have any ideas
on what to do with this ?
>
>
>
>
>
The staff report and
recommendation will be
> presented as a
>
consent item tomorrow
at the city council.
>
>
>
>
Thanks
>
>
>
>
P.S. How does this
relate to the Sports
> Complex?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
On 11/30/2015 11:34
AM, Shneor
>
Sherman wrote:
>
>
>
>
The timeline will
not allow for a 2016
> referendum or any
popular vote in
2016. This proposal calls
> for a second
timeline to be
started in July, 2016 for
policy
> revisions, public
hearings, etc.
It's probably more
> realistic to look
at 2018, when
Comcast's franchise
> expires.
>
> Shneor Sherman
>
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> On Mon, 11/30/15,
Robert Nickerson
<rob at omsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> Subject:
[Davisgig] City of Davis
Staff Report on Broadband
> Released &
Article about El
Macero
> To:
"davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
> <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> Date:
Monday, November 30, 2015,
11:08 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hi All
>
>
>
>
1) Thanks to all your
efforts, we have a council
item
> on
> the
consent
>
calendar for Tues Dec 1
meeting to recommend
Davis
> adopt
> the Yolo
>
Broadband Plan and make a
Task Force to help the
city
> decide what
is
>
best to do for Davis for
fiber.
>
>
>
>
A copy of the staff report is
here:
>
>
>
>
http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
>
tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>
>
>
>
Its a rather large document
because it has the Yolo
> Broadband
Plan
>
attached to it. The details
about the Task force are
in
> the
first
>
pages. I don't think this
would have materialized
> at all at
the
>
City level without everyone
being a force, and asking
> for and
>
delivering on meetings, and
Public Outreach.
>
>
>
>
2) An article about community
businesses funding an
> Upgrade for
El
>
Macero -
>
>
>
> http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
>
s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>
>
>
>
Does anyone have any insight
on whether this is really
> a
> Fiber
>
deployment or just paying a
deposit to fund a build
out
> by
Comcast?
>
>
>
>
>
Thanks
>
>
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>
>
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