[Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released & Article about El Macero
Russell Neches
russell at vort.org
Tue Dec 1 18:34:34 PST 2015
Of course! Hence, "as possible." I don't think we disagree.
Russell
On Wed, 2015-12-02 at 00:46 +0000, Shneor Sherman wrote:
> Russell, sorry to differ, but while some tech expertise will be
> needed (not necessarily in coding BTW), expertise in finance and on
> how best to educate Davis voters on the issue will also be needed. In
> addition, someone who can handle public hearings, which will be
> required once a concrete proposal is on the table, and community
> members who know nothing about this project, including folks who will
> vote against any tax. If you can properly educate those people, they
> will become the best advocates in preparation for an election. Some
> official representatives will also be needed, because they will help
> inform city council members, and will also represent municipal and
> school board interests.
>
> Shneor Sherman
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 12/1/15, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
> Released & Article about El Macero
> To: "Steve McMahon" <steve at dcn.org>, "davisgig at list.omsoft.com" <
> davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 3:10 PM
>
> Ideally, we'd want the task force to
> be as nerdy as possible. A deeper
> understanding of computing and networking, more than any
> other factor,
> would militate against the big monopolies. Also, people with
> close ties
> to BigCableCo will probably tend to be business-oriented,
> not
> technical.
>
> So... we should advocate that task force members have some
> serious
> technical chops on their resumes, preferably quantified in
> publications
> accepted and lines of code written, rather than dollars
> marshaled.
>
>
> Russell
>
> On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:44 -0800, Steve McMahon wrote:
> > The composition of the task force will also be very
> important, and we
> > should keep an eye on the selection process.
> >
> > In particular, we'll want to make sure that nobody is
> appointed who
> > has a direct or indirect financial connection to the
> cable industry
> > or works in any position funded via cable franchise
> funds.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org>
> > wrote:
> > > I agree with this general assessment. I have alway
> been taken aback
> > > by
> > > how conservative the city staff is. It makes for a
> weird contrast
> > > with
> > > the city polity. They are, nevertheless, extremely
> professional.
> > >
> > > It's critical to have support of the Council,
> preferably
> > > unanimously.
> > > If there are any council members opposed, we need
> to figure out
> > > why,
> > > and what to do about it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Russell
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000, Shneor Sherman
> via Davisgig
> > > wrote:
> > > > Once again, I have to say that if individual
> city council members
> > > are
> > > > not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone
> is acquainted with
> > > any
> > > > city council member, please have a
> conversation with them about
> > > this.
> > > > We have made a pretty good rough cost
> estimate of $30 million. We
> > > > don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility
> tax will do just as
> > > well.
> > > > The franchise, as far as I understand,
> applies just to the city
> > > and
> > > > school district. Pulling the item off the
> consent calendar is
> > > > definitely the best way to go. City staff
> might be pro comcast
> > > > (status quo), if they have any position at
> all. That's why
> > > educated
> > > > city council direction is vital.
> > > >
> > > > Shneor Sherman
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis
> Staff Report on Broadband
> > > > Released & Article about El Macero
> > > > To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com>
> > > > Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
> <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> > > > Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56
> PM
> > > >
> > > > I think
> > > > the possibility of a Spring 2016
> measure was ruled out the
> > > > moment that we knew we would have other
> financial matters on
> > > > the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax
> measures before the
> > > > voters at the same time. The risk of
> everything failing is
> > > > too high.
> > > > I see this as a
> > > > reminder that the interests of the
> institutional city and
> > > > the staff are not identical with ours.
> We need to make sure
> > > > that the creation of a task force does
> not eliminate or even
> > > > reduce activist efforts. There needs to
> be some pressure
> > > > from the outside. This will help keep a
> task force that may
> > > > well have some pro-cable or anti-tax
> representatives
> > > > honest.
> > > > Whether the
> > > > item gets pulled from consent or not, I
> don't think it
> > > > would hurt to have some speakers
> pushing for an aggressive
> > > > timetable and a high priority.
> > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
> > > > 9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah so anyone else
> please give it a neutral read, is
> > > > our
> > > > characterization
> misplaced, in regards to this report
> > > > ? Don't want
> > > > to mess up our graduation
> to task force status,
> > > > but...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Could be we have to queue
> up in the public comment
> > > > tomorrow and ask
> > > > to be removed from
> consent.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've emailed the city
> staff about the document and
> > > > its priorities to
> > > > see if I can get more
> understanding and clarity
> > > > verbally.
> > > >
> > > > I'll post results
> tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > RAN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM,
> Douglas A.
> > > > Walter wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi. It seems clear
> to me that we should
> > > > not let the current
> > > > Council
> accept the staff recommendation. I would
> > > > argue that in
> > > > 2018, when
> the Comcast franchise agreement expires,
> > > > the
> > > >
> City+Schools will feel desperate to assure that
> > > > their pipes to
> > > > the
> Internet don't get cut off (or busted back
> > > > to modem speeds),
> > > > and that
> will help Comcast's negotiating
> > > > position on franchise
> > > > renewal. I
> haven't taken the time to read the
> > > > report, but does
> > > > it not
> sound like this is a very important deciding
> > > > point?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd say NO to the
> timeline, and no to the
> > > > Task Force as
> > > > proposed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 30,
> 2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
> > > > Nickerson wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> Hi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> I can only agree on that, now that I have read
> > > > this over.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> The last interactions I've had with the City
> > > > Staff have been
> > > >
> negative
> > > >
> > > >
> on having a June 2016 vote because of the
> > > > competing tax
> > > >
> measure,
> > > >
> > > >
> and they suggested 11/2016 as more
> > > > appropriate.
> > > >
> > > >
> ked them to look into the reported
> > > > requirement that an
> > > >
> election where there is a bond issue
> > > >
> > > >
> needed to be a city council election, and have
> > > > received no
> > > >
> definitive answer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> Looks like this task force is a step back
> from
> > > > even getting
> > > >
> municipal Fiber optic,
> > > >
> > > >
> but more focused on studying
> broadband in
> > > > Davis, and a
> > > >
> lot of extra effort.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> Anyone have any ideas on what to do with this ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> The staff report and recommendation will be
> > > > presented as a
> > > >
> consent item tomorrow at the city council.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> P.S. How does this relate to the Sports
> > > > Complex?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
> > > >
> Sherman wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> The timeline will not allow for a 2016
> > > > referendum or any popular vote in 2016.
> This proposal calls
> > > > for a second timeline to be started in
> July, 2016 for policy
> > > > revisions, public hearings, etc. It's
> probably more
> > > > realistic to look at 2018, when
> Comcast's franchise
> > > > expires.
> > > >
> > > > Shneor Sherman
> > > >
> --------------------------------------------
> > > > On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson
> <rob at omsoft.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Subject: [Davisgig] City of
> Davis Staff Report on Broadband
> > > > Released & Article about El Macero
> > > > To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
> > > > <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> > > > Date: Monday, November 30,
> 2015, 11:08 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1) Thanks to
> all your efforts, we have a council item
> > > > on
> > > > the consent
> > > > calendar for
> Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend Davis
> > > > adopt
> > > > the Yolo
> > > > Broadband Plan
> and make a Task Force to help the city
> > > > decide what is
> > > > best to do for
> Davis for fiber.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A copy of the
> staff report is here:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
> > > >
> tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband
> > > -Update.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Its a rather
> large document because it has the Yolo
> > > > Broadband Plan
> > > > attached to
> it. The details about the Task force are in
> > > > the first
> > > > pages. I
> don't think this would have materialized
> > > > at all at the
> > > > City level
> without everyone being a force, and asking
> > > > for and
> > > > delivering on
> meetings, and Public Outreach.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2) An article
> about community businesses funding an
> > > > Upgrade for El
> > > > Macero -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
> > > > s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone
> have any insight on whether this is really
> > > > a
> > > > Fiber
> > > > deployment or
> just paying a deposit to fund a build out
> > > > by Comcast?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> Nickerson
> > > >
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