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Hi <br>
<br>
Thanks for your comments on voting for a bond Steve, I would say
any regular election is great. So that adds more dates to a possible
calendar aside from 6/2016 or 6/2018. <br>
So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance that
supersedes this State of California law I assume?<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://qcode.us/codes/davis/">http://qcode.us/codes/davis/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been involved
with, we have asked the City Staff to move this forward, and
expressed the urgency of the need. <br>
The task force is great, I just am concerned with what it is being
asked to do right now in this staff report document. <br>
<br>
Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach event,
interview persons, that is rehashing what has happened over this
year. <br>
I think this task force should be about municipal fiber optic for
Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband connection types, and gather
lots of subjective<br>
anecdotal comments about peoples broadband experiences. <br>
<br>
So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some time to work
with Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and what it hopes
to accomplish. <br>
Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments to the
scope and work of the task force either before its voted on tonight,
at<br>
public comment or asking it be postponed? <br>
<br>
I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill post after that. <br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
RAN<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/1/2015 10:12 AM, Douglas A.
Walter wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:DDFE8F87-5501-49ED-9D27-EE7D1FCF2C38@dcn.org"
type="cite">
<div>In no way attacking City staff or Gary Darling, I think this
advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of a gigabit
municipal fiber network.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm not sold on my "better alternative," but since the slow
task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this instead:</div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Gill Sans'">This
proposal calls for a second timeline to be started in July,
2016 for policy revisions, public hearings, etc. That's going
to mean the City will have nothing in place for when the
Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The City Council
should instead direct staff to explore a revenue bond or
utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit fiber to the
home (and office and school, etc.).<br>
</font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
Thoughts?
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Gary Darling wrote:</div>
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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">It’s the
role of staff to offer alternatives to the council and I
too have found them to be very professional. Given the
many ways that this network might play out it is wise to
have a citizen’s advisory body with technical expertise
appointed and up to speed. The task force is a reasonable
thing to form at this juncture - I think we should have
asked for this body early on to avoid the timing problems
that now face the city. If we ask to take the task force
item off of the consent calendar we will need to decide
what we would ask for instead and have broad agreement
between us on the new strategy. If someone has an
alternative suggest it now, and let’s discuss. Otherwise
we should just let the task force go forward as a consent
item and do what we can to assure that the group serves
the public good.
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—Gary</div>
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<div class="">On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve
McMahon <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steve@dcn.org" class="">steve@dcn.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class="">
<div dir="ltr" class="">The composition of the
task force will also be very important, and we
should keep an eye on the selection process.
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">In particular, we'll want to make
sure that nobody is appointed who has a direct
or indirect financial connection to the cable
industry or works in any position funded via
cable franchise funds.</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at
2:03 AM, Russell Neches <span dir="ltr"
class=""><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:russell@vort.org"
target="_blank" class="">russell@vort.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br class="">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I agree with
this general assessment. I have alway been
taken aback by<br class="">
how conservative the city staff is. It makes
for a weird contrast with<br class="">
the city polity. They are, nevertheless,
extremely professional.<br class="">
<br class="">
It's critical to have support of the
Council, preferably unanimously.<br class="">
If there are any council members opposed, we
need to figure out why,<br class="">
and what to do about it.<br class="">
<span class="HOEnZb"><font class=""
color="#888888"><br class="">
<br class="">
Russell<br class="">
</font></span>
<div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5"><br class="">
On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000,
Shneor Sherman via Davisgig wrote:<br
class="">
> Once again, I have to say that if
individual city council members are<br
class="">
> not on board, nothing will
happen.If anyone is acquainted with any<br
class="">
> city council member, please have a
conversation with them about this.<br
class="">
> We have made a pretty good rough
cost estimate of $30 million. We<br
class="">
> don't necessarily need a bond, as a
utility tax will do just as well.<br
class="">
> The franchise, as far as I
understand, applies just to the city and<br
class="">
> school district. Pulling the item
off the consent calendar is<br class="">
> definitely the best way to go. City
staff might be pro comcast<br class="">
> (status quo), if they have any
position at all. That's why educated<br
class="">
> city council direction is vital.<br
class="">
><br class="">
> Shneor Sherman<br class="">
>
--------------------------------------------<br
class="">
> On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steve@dcn.org" class="">steve@dcn.org</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of
Davis Staff Report on Broadband<br
class="">
> Released & Article about El
Macero<br class="">
> To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:omrob@omsoft.com"
class="">omrob@omsoft.com</a>><br
class="">
> Cc: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:davisgig@list.omsoft.com"
class="">davisgig@list.omsoft.com</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:davisgig@list.omsoft.com"
class="">davisgig@list.omsoft.com</a>><br
class="">
> Date: Monday, November 30, 2015,
9:56 PM<br class="">
><br class="">
> I think<br class="">
> the possibility of a Spring 2016
measure was ruled out the<br class="">
> moment that we knew we would have
other financial matters on<br class="">
> the ballot. Nobody wants multiple
tax measures before the<br class="">
> voters at the same time. The risk
of everything failing is<br class="">
> too high.<br class="">
> I see this as a<br class="">
> reminder that the interests of the
institutional city and<br class="">
> the staff are not identical with
ours. We need to make sure<br class="">
> that the creation of a task force
does not eliminate or even<br class="">
> reduce activist efforts. There
needs to be some pressure<br class="">
> from the outside. This will help
keep a task force that may<br class="">
> well have some pro-cable or
anti-tax representatives<br class="">
> honest.<br class="">
> Whether the<br class="">
> item gets pulled from consent or
not, I don't think it<br class="">
> would hurt to have some speakers
pushing for an aggressive<br class="">
> timetable and a high priority.<br
class="">
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at<br
class="">
> 9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:omrob@omsoft.com"
class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:omrob@omsoft.com">omrob@omsoft.com</a></a>><br
class="">
> wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Hi<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Yeah so anyone else please
give it a neutral read, is<br class="">
> our<br class="">
> characterization misplaced, in
regards to this report<br class="">
> ? Don't want<br class="">
> to mess up our graduation to
task force status,<br class="">
> but...<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Could be we have to queue up
in the public comment<br class="">
> tomorrow and ask<br class="">
> to be removed from consent.<br
class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> I've emailed the city staff
about the document and<br class="">
> its priorities to<br class="">
> see if I can get more
understanding and clarity<br class="">
> verbally.<br class="">
><br class="">
> I'll post results tomorrow.<br
class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Thanks<br class="">
><br class="">
> RAN<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas
A.<br class="">
> Walter wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Hi. It seems clear to me
that we should<br class="">
> not let the current<br class="">
> Council accept the staff
recommendation. I would<br class="">
> argue that in<br class="">
> 2018, when the Comcast
franchise agreement expires,<br class="">
> the<br class="">
> City+Schools will feel
desperate to assure that<br class="">
> their pipes to<br class="">
> the Internet don't get cut
off (or busted back<br class="">
> to modem speeds),<br class="">
> and that will help
Comcast's negotiating<br class="">
> position on franchise<br class="">
> renewal. I haven't taken
the time to read the<br class="">
> report, but does<br class="">
> it not sound like this is
a very important deciding<br class="">
> point?<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> I'd say NO to the timeline,
and no to the<br class="">
> Task Force as<br class="">
> proposed.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53
PM, Robert<br class="">
> Nickerson wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Hi<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> I can only agree on
that, now that I have read<br class="">
> this over.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> The last interactions
I've had with the City<br class="">
> Staff have been<br class="">
> negative<br class="">
><br class="">
> on having a June 2016
vote because of the<br class="">
> competing tax<br class="">
> measure,<br class="">
><br class="">
> and they suggested
11/2016 as more<br class="">
> appropriate.<br class="">
><br class="">
> ked them to look
into the reported<br class="">
> requirement that an<br class="">
> election where there
is a bond issue<br class="">
><br class="">
> needed to be a city
council election, and have<br class="">
> received no<br class="">
> definitive answer.<br
class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Looks like this task
force is a step back from<br class="">
> even getting<br class="">
> municipal Fiber optic,<br
class="">
><br class="">
> but more focused on
studying broadband in<br class="">
> Davis, and a<br class="">
> lot of extra effort.<br
class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Anyone have any ideas
on what to do with this ?<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> The staff report and
recommendation will be<br class="">
> presented as a<br class="">
> consent item tomorrow
at the city council.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Thanks<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> P.S. How does this
relate to the Sports<br class="">
> Complex?<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> On 11/30/2015 11:34
AM, Shneor<br class="">
> Sherman wrote:<br
class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> The timeline will
not allow for a 2016<br class="">
> referendum or any popular vote in
2016. This proposal calls<br class="">
> for a second timeline to be
started in July, 2016 for policy<br
class="">
> revisions, public hearings, etc.
It's probably more<br class="">
> realistic to look at 2018, when
Comcast's franchise<br class="">
> expires.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Shneor Sherman<br class="">
>
--------------------------------------------<br
class="">
> On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rob@omsoft.com" class="">rob@omsoft.com</a>><br
class="">
> wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
> Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis
Staff Report on Broadband<br class="">
> Released & Article about El
Macero<br class="">
> To: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:davisgig@list.omsoft.com"
class="">davisgig@list.omsoft.com</a>"<br
class="">
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:davisgig@list.omsoft.com"
class="">davisgig@list.omsoft.com</a>><br
class="">
> Date: Monday, November 30, 2015,
11:08 AM<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Hi All<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> 1) Thanks to all your
efforts, we have a council item<br
class="">
> on<br class="">
> the consent<br class="">
> calendar for Tues Dec 1
meeting to recommend Davis<br class="">
> adopt<br class="">
> the Yolo<br class="">
> Broadband Plan and make a
Task Force to help the city<br class="">
> decide what is<br class="">
> best to do for Davis for
fiber.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> A copy of the staff report is
here:<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
class="">http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci</a><br
class="">
>
tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf<br
class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Its a rather large document
because it has the Yolo<br class="">
> Broadband Plan<br class="">
> attached to it. The details
about the Task force are in<br class="">
> the first<br class="">
> pages. I don't think this
would have materialized<br class="">
> at all at the<br class="">
> City level without everyone
being a force, and asking<br class="">
> for and<br class="">
> delivering on meetings, and
Public Outreach.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> 2) An article about community
businesses funding an<br class="">
> Upgrade for El<br class="">
> Macero -<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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class="">
> s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/<br
class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Does anyone have any insight
on whether this is really<br class="">
> a<br class="">
> Fiber<br class="">
> deployment or just paying a
deposit to fund a build out<br class="">
> by Comcast?<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Thanks<br class="">
><br class="">
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><br class="">
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