From rob at omsoft.com Wed Mar 13 15:31:09 2019 From: rob at omsoft.com (Robert Nickerson) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 15:31:09 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] Irony Very Timely Message-ID: <8e082628-522a-9462-4262-4b4336a30332@omsoft.com> Hi Over the last days, we? have been going over the electronics portion of the Feasibility study? for a city owned fiber network and pricing out white box type solutions, instead of what is in the Broadband Study. We are looking at these costs? this to move forward some options for the City to consider around municipal fiber; including doing a phased builds of the ring and sub rings to build the fiber? infrastructure across the community, cover services for anchor tenants,? Dark Fiber to lease for 5G, and set the stage for residential neighborhood deployments. There is a subcommittee of the BATF drafting a memo for this approach now, and we are helping provide some numbers to it. And here is an article about this from the author of said study I just happened to receive. https://potsandpansbyccg.com/2019/03/13/finally-a-whitebox-solution-for-small-isps/ Irony aside though, things are pretty dramatic at the moment. The Task Force is supposed to give some recommendations to proceed in May, but? city staff are looking to do another I-Net for City Conduit swap type arrangement with a major private fiber ISP. This satisfies its needs to deliver on a contract here, and sets the stage for it to build out into neighborhoods, and other things. As we warned in 2015 the City is now paying Comcast for Inet fibers it used to get for free up until Sept 2018 in the local cable franchise. It's unclear as to whether the City is charging Comcast for leasing City owned Conduit, or if that is even possible. There is a strong urge among some city staff to fix this short term issue and revenue loss by getting free service from another very large carrier. When a large Investor owned for profit is giving you something for free, that should tell you that what the city is getting in return, lol.? Proceeding as it is, would be disastrous for community owned fiber as it has been presented, but making small contract changes and having the major ISP install and? lease city-owned fiber would be great! So we are hoping the city takes our input and the Task Force gets to complete its charter before the city signs an Agreement which will bring a very large private overbuilder that isn't leasing community-owned fiber from our proposed project. Thanks to everyone working on trying to make this happen RAN -- Robert Nickerson UCD Class of 1996 CEO, Om Networks cell: 5308483865 www.omsoft.com From rl at 1st-mile.org Tue Mar 26 09:11:40 2019 From: rl at 1st-mile.org (Richard Lowenberg) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 10:11:40 -0600 Subject: [Davisgig] FCC chairman Ajit Pai visits Woodland farms Message-ID: <187b937682e5e14bcecb50459ad5de7b@1st-mile.org> FCC chairman Ajit Pai visits Woodland farms, AgStart Touts importance of Broadband in agriculture and by local farmers By WOODLAND DAILY DEMOCRAT | PUBLISHED: March 25, 2019 https://www.dailydemocrat.com/2019/03/25/fcc-chairman-visits-woodland-farms-agstart/ Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission Ajit Pai visited Woodland and the Sacramento region on Sunday and Monday, stopping at AgStart in downtown and the Muller Ranch west of town. ?I?m in Sacramento, exploring #digitaldivide,? Pai announced via Twitter on Monday. ?Appreciate local leaders sharing yesterday how broadband can benefit Californians in terms of telemedicine, precision agriculture, public safety communications, educational opportunity, and more.? Later, during a tour of AgStart in downtown Woodland Monday morning, Pai said that ?stakeholders there were stressing ?the importance of #ruralbroadband connectivity to support growth.? Again, via Twitter, Pai said that ?Broadband is increasingly critical to America?s farms and ranches. I heard that firsthand from Frank Muller here in rural Yolo County. Muller reports that connectivity could help him be much more productive.? The Daily Democrat was not notified of the visit by the FCC or others locally. There was also no report on the FCC?s website about the visit or tours. However, in a video posted to his Twitter feed on Monday morning, Pai is shown standing next to Frank Muller at Muller Ranch, a 10,000-acre farm containing 194 fields, using a soil moisture measuring device that needs broadband communication to operate effectively and thereby make Muller more efficient in growing crops. Pai also posted his visits to wineries across the region, including Clarksburg where said he went to see ?firsthand the challenges facing farmers and connectivity.? Pai is the first Indian American to be named chairman of the FCC, being appointed by President Donald Trump in March 2017 to a second five-year term. Before his appointment to the FCC, Pai held positions with the Department of Justice, the US Senate, the FCC?s Office of General Counsel, and Verizon Communications. Pai is a proponent of repealing net neutrality and in late 2017 voted with the majority of the FCC to reverse an earlier decision to regulate the internet. --------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Lowenberg, Executive Director 1st-Mile Institute 505-603-5200 Box 8001, Santa Fe, NM 87504, rl at 1st-mile.org www.1st-mile.org --------------------------------------------------------------- From rob at omsoft.com Tue Mar 26 16:37:10 2019 From: rob at omsoft.com (Robert Nickerson) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:37:10 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be knocked out the next meeting TOMOOR NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city chambers Message-ID: Hi All the justification is comcast will start charging now taht the inet is over Specifically, some City Staff have invited a MAJOR private Fiber carrier into town, and giving them free use of city conduit to build out in exchange? for 12 fibers between some city buildings. . the justification is comcast will start charging now that the inet is overand the comcast franchise is expired. This will serve as a basis for a residential build out by wave, generating another physical monopoly on internet, the fiber based kind. Comcast has a cable infrastructure monopoly, att has a phone one. This does not pump broadband money back into the city. this does not provide lower pricing through competition. This does not allow business and homes to be securely and privately connected this does not give our major School, City, and Public facilities Internet access for a one time cost. It does not allow for an entrprenuer to come along and sell a new product to our marketplace. this does not see to privacy, net neutrality or digital divide. Check out this video from a company that makes a software product that could be one of the ones to run our network. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-eqnU_eL8 In Ammon Id right now, 100 MBps is $10 per month. Why ? Competition on a municipal owned fiber plant. This does not do anything innovative or interesting with a Davis fiber ecosystem, as it will be under lock and key. Dont get me wrong, I'm happy to have wave come and? compete on community owned fiber, and others of course as well .just? Not on an exclusive basis. Once this is done, there is no other physical infrastructure coming that replaces fiber. once fiber is built out with a private company, its just all locked up with them. This meeting is the MOST IMPORTANT MEETING of this entire process.? If you still care or do care about making thi, please come and give a public comment. Or mail one to sworley at cityofdavis.org and clements at ucdavis.edu Make no mistake, if this is allowed to proceed, DavisGIG, a community fiber plant that could unleash all sorts of good things, is dead. Sorry to be grim, but that is what is going on. 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This does not pump broadband money back into the city. this does not provide lower pricing through competition. This does not allow business and homes to be securely and privately connected this does not give our major School, City, and Public facilities Internet access for a one time cost. It does not allow for an entrprenuer to come along and sell a new product to our marketplace. this does not see to privacy, net neutrality or digital divide. Check out this video from a company that makes a software product that could be one of the ones to run our network. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-eqnU_eL8 In Ammon Id right now, 100 MBps is $10 per month. Why ? Competition on a municipal owned fiber plant. This does not do anything innovative or interesting with a Davis fiber ecosystem, as it will be under lock and key. Dont get me wrong, I'm happy to have wave come and? compete on community owned fiber, and others of course as well .just? Not on an exclusive basis. Once this is done, there is no other physical infrastructure coming that replaces fiber. once fiber is built out with a private company, its just all locked up with them. This meeting is the MOST IMPORTANT MEETING of this entire process. If you still care or do care about making thi, please come and give a public comment. Or mail one to sworley at cityofdavis.org and clements at ucdavis.edu Make no mistake, if this is allowed to proceed, DavisGIG, a community fiber plant that could unleash all sorts of good things, is dead. Sorry to be grim, but that is what is going on. Thanks RAN -- Robert Nickerson UCD Class of 1996 CEO, Om Networks cell: 5308483865 www.omsoft.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 5982598 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am against this and would prefer to see the city continue exploring the proposal developed by DavisGIG which would: * Provide the city with its own broadband resources * Stimulate competition * Guarantee private internet connections for business and homes * Give our school, city, and public facilities internet access for a one time cost There are no guarantees that a major carrier will honor privacy, net neutrality or the digital divide. Please do not derail the DavisGIG process! Thanks, Your Name Here =-=-= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:40:13 -0700 From: Robert Nickerson To: Davis gig Subject: [Davisgig] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city chambers Hi All Specifically, some City Staff have invited a MAJOR private Fiber carrier into town, and giving them free use of city conduit to build out in exchange? for 12 fibers between some city buildings. . the justification is comcast will start charging now that the inet is overand the comcast franchise is expired. This will serve as a basis for a residential build out by wave, generating another physical monopoly on internet, the fiber based kind. Comcast has a cable infrastructure monopoly, att has a phone one. This does not pump broadband money back into the city. this does not provide lower pricing through competition. This does not allow business and homes to be securely and privately connected this does not give our major School, City, and Public facilities Internet access for a one time cost. It does not allow for an entrprenuer to come along and sell a new product to our marketplace. this does not see to privacy, net neutrality or digital divide. Check out this video from a company that makes a software product that could be one of the ones to run our network. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-eqnU_eL8 In Ammon Id right now, 100 MBps is $10 per month. Why ? Competition on a municipal owned fiber plant. This does not do anything innovative or interesting with a Davis fiber ecosystem, as it will be under lock and key. Dont get me wrong, I'm happy to have wave come and? compete on community owned fiber, and others of course as well .just? Not on an exclusive basis. Once this is done, there is no other physical infrastructure coming that replaces fiber. once fiber is built out with a private company, its just all locked up with them. This meeting is the MOST IMPORTANT MEETING of this entire process. If you still care or do care about making thi, please come and give a public comment. Or mail one to sworley at cityofdavis.org and clements at ucdavis.edu Make no mistake, if this is allowed to proceed, DavisGIG, a community fiber plant that could unleash all sorts of good things, is dead. Sorry to be grim, but that is what is going on. Thanks RAN -- Robert Nickerson UCD Class of 1996 CEO, Om Networks cell: 5308483865 www.omsoft.com From dawalter at dcn.org Tue Mar 26 20:01:51 2019 From: dawalter at dcn.org (Douglas A. Walter) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 20:01:51 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city chambers In-Reply-To: <5D3F7A1F-DB92-48BF-A276-5DF8BA8250FB@dcn.org> References: <5D3F7A1F-DB92-48BF-A276-5DF8BA8250FB@dcn.org> Message-ID: <4723CF96-AFF8-4A35-89C6-9590BF825DB5@dcn.org> Hi, and thank you for putting that out, John. Rob didn't mention that the meeting on 3/27 is a Broadband Advisory Task Force meeting. For the moment, makes sure that you address the people I'm pasting into your template: the Task Force Chair and the City staff working on this. It is also not the case that there's "a proposal developed by DavisGIG," while there have been substantive discussions on a BATF subcommittee. I guess the current agenda isn't taking the report from that group into account before endorsing the give-away proposal? On Mar 26, 2019, at 5:29 PM, John Steggall wrote: > RAN, et al., > > How is this for a template to write to the city and UCD? > > =-=-= > Broadband Advisory Task Force chair: Chris Clements City staff to Broadband Advisory Task Force: Diane Parro Sarah Worley City Clerk: Zoe Mirabile > Hi, > > I am concerned about news that the City of Davis may invite a major private carrier to install fiber optic infrastructure in the city. I am against this and would prefer to see the city continue exploring a proposal developed by the Broadband Advisory Task Force subcommittee which would: > > * Provide the city with its own broadband resources > * Stimulate competition > * Guarantee private internet connections for business and homes > * Give our school, city, and public facilities internet access for a one time cost > > There are no guarantees that a major carrier will honor privacy, net neutrality or the digital divide. Please do not derail the DavisGIG process! > > Thanks, > > Your Name Here > > =-=-= > > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:40:13 -0700 > From: Robert Nickerson > To: Davis gig > Subject: [Davisgig] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be > knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city > chambers > > Hi All > > Specifically, some City Staff have invited a MAJOR private Fiber carrier > into town, and giving them free use of city conduit to build out in > exchange? for 12 fibers between some city buildings. . the justification > is comcast will start charging now that the inet is overand the comcast > franchise is expired. This will serve as a basis for a residential build > out by wave, generating another physical monopoly on internet, the fiber > based kind. Comcast has a cable infrastructure monopoly, att has a phone > one. > > > This does not pump broadband money back into the city. > > this does not provide lower pricing through competition. > > This does not allow business and homes to be securely and privately > connected > > this does not give our major School, City, and Public facilities > Internet access for a one time cost. > > It does not allow for an entrprenuer to come along and sell a new > product to our marketplace. > > this does not see to privacy, net neutrality or digital divide. > > Check out this video from a company that makes a software product that > could be one of the ones to run our network. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-eqnU_eL8 > > In Ammon Id right now, 100 MBps is $10 per month. Why ? Competition on a > municipal owned fiber plant. > > This does not do anything innovative or interesting with a Davis fiber > ecosystem, as it will be under lock and key. Dont get me wrong, I'm > happy to have wave come and? compete on community owned fiber, and > others of course as well .just? Not on an exclusive basis. Once this is > done, there is no other physical infrastructure coming that replaces > fiber. once fiber is built out with a private company, its just all > locked up with them. > > This meeting is the MOST IMPORTANT MEETING of this entire process. If > you still care or do care about making thi, please come and give a > public comment. Or mail one to > > sworley at cityofdavis.org and clements at ucdavis.edu > > Make no mistake, if this is allowed to proceed, DavisGIG, a community > fiber plant that could unleash all sorts of good things, is dead. > > Sorry to be grim, but that is what is going on. > > Thanks > > RAN > > -- > Robert Nickerson > UCD Class of 1996 > CEO, Om Networks > > cell: 5308483865 > www.omsoft.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: > > http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start > > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig Doug Walter (home account) dawalter at dcn.org "Wag more, bark less" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zeldner at colorado.edu Tue Mar 26 19:53:09 2019 From: zeldner at colorado.edu (Joshua Zeldner) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:53:09 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] [Davisgig-announce] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city chambers In-Reply-To: <56394c8a-50c2-e03c-bada-3cd31d820543@omsoft.com> References: <56394c8a-50c2-e03c-bada-3cd31d820543@omsoft.com> Message-ID: Thank you for this warning! I just posted on nextdoor about it. Can you confirm location of the meeting and maybe official name of the meeting or of the groups who are meeting? Thank you, Josh Zeldner www.zspecialtyfood.com > On Mar 26, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Omsoft Systems Administration via Davisgig-announce wrote: > > Hi All > > Specifically, some City Staff have invited a MAJOR private Fiber carrier into town, and giving them free use of city conduit to build out in exchange for 12 fibers between some city buildings. . the justification is comcast will start charging now that the inet is overand the comcast franchise is expired. This will serve as a basis for a residential build out by wave, generating another physical monopoly on internet, the fiber based kind. Comcast has a cable infrastructure monopoly, att has a phone one. > > > This does not pump broadband money back into the city. > > this does not provide lower pricing through competition. > > This does not allow business and homes to be securely and privately connected > > this does not give our major School, City, and Public facilities Internet access for a one time cost. > > It does not allow for an entrepreneur to come along and sell a new product to our marketplace. > > this does not see to privacy, net neutrality or digital divide. > > Check out this video from a company that makes a software product that could be one of the ones to run our network. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-eqnU_eL8 > > In Ammon Id right now, 100 MBps is $10 per month. Why ? Competition on a municipal owned fiber plant. > > This does not do anything innovative or interesting with a Davis fiber ecosystem, as it will be under lock and key. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to have wave come and compete on community owned fiber, and others of course as well .just Not on an exclusive basis. Once this is done, there is no other physical infrastructure coming that replaces fiber. once fiber is built out with a private company, its just all locked up with them. > > This meeting is the MOST IMPORTANT MEETING of this entire process. If you still care or do care about making this, please come and give a public comment. Or mail one to > > sworley at cityofdavis.org and clements at ucdavis.edu > > Make no mistake, if this is allowed to proceed, DavisGIG, a community fiber plant that could unleash all sorts of good things, is dead. > > Sorry to be grim, but that is what is going on. > > Thanks > > RAN > > > > <06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf><06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf>_______________________________________________ > Davisgig-announce mailing list > Davisgig-announce at list.davisgig.org > %To unsubscribe(web_page_url)slistinfo/davisgig-announce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at omsoft.com Tue Mar 26 20:34:19 2019 From: rob at omsoft.com (Robert Nickerson) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 20:34:19 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] Links to Documents Message-ID: Hi All I tried to send you the two proposals that are going tomorrow, but it looks like or list manager software dropped them. I edited some settings, and we will see if they are included. If not, here are the URLS. Finally the competing goofd proposal you want tpo support is the one by the BATF subcommittee City Staff http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf BATF Subcommittee http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf -Also if anyone has any quesitons about the location it is at City Hall 23 Russell Blvd Community Chambers Meeting Room Next to where city council meetings are held -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm still trying to digest them, but based on what we've previously discussed, here is my suggested letter/message text: If you are willing to take a moment to contact the Broadband Advisory Task Force as part of public comment to their meeting tomorrow night, please write to: Broadband Advisory Task Force chair: Chris Clements City staff to Broadband Advisory Task Force: Diane Parro Sarah Worley City Clerk: Zoe Mirabile Feel free to tag a City Council member's FB page if you do so. Sample letter: Hi, I am concerned about news that the City of Davis may invite a major private carrier to install fiber optic infrastructure using City-owned conduit as a start to their system. I am against giving away infrastructure we own without assessing how much it is worth! I would prefer to see the Broadband Advisory Task Force recommend that the City continue exploring the proposal developed by your subcommittee. It would: * Provide the city with its own broadband resources * Allow competition to develop * Guarantee privacy in Internet connections for business and homes * Give our schools, city, and public facilities internet access for a one time cost There are no guarantees that a major carrier will honor privacy, net neutrality or address issues from the digital divide. Please do not derail a process that could result in a municipal or cooperative ownership of a City-wide gigabit fiber network! Thanks, Your Name Here On Mar 26, 2019, at 8:01 PM, "Douglas A. Walter" wrote: > Hi, and thank you for putting that out, John. Rob didn't mention that the meeting on 3/27 is a Broadband Advisory Task Force meeting. For the moment, makes sure that you address the people I'm pasting into your template: the Task Force Chair and the City staff working on this. It is also not the case that there's "a proposal developed by DavisGIG," while there have been substantive discussions on a BATF subcommittee. I guess the current agenda isn't taking the report from that group into account before endorsing the give-away proposal? > > On Mar 26, 2019, at 5:29 PM, John Steggall wrote: > >> RAN, et al., >> >> How is this for a template to write to the city and UCD? >> >> =-=-= >> > Broadband Advisory Task Force chair: > Chris Clements > > City staff to Broadband Advisory Task Force: > Diane Parro > Sarah Worley > > City Clerk: > Zoe Mirabile > >> Hi, >> >> I am concerned about news that the City of Davis may invite a major private carrier to install fiber optic infrastructure in the city. I am against this and would prefer to see the city continue exploring a proposal developed by the Broadband Advisory Task Force subcommittee which would: >> >> * Provide the city with its own broadband resources >> * Stimulate competition >> * Guarantee private internet connections for business and homes >> * Give our school, city, and public facilities internet access for a one time cost >> >> There are no guarantees that a major carrier will honor privacy, net neutrality or the digital divide. Please do not derail the DavisGIG process! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Your Name Here >> >> =-=-= >> >> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:40:13 -0700 >> From: Robert Nickerson >> To: Davis gig >> Subject: [Davisgig] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be >> knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city >> chambers >> >> Hi All >> >> Specifically, some City Staff have invited a MAJOR private Fiber carrier >> into town, and giving them free use of city conduit to build out in >> exchange? for 12 fibers between some city buildings. . the justification >> is comcast will start charging now that the inet is overand the comcast >> franchise is expired. This will serve as a basis for a residential build >> out by wave, generating another physical monopoly on internet, the fiber >> based kind. Comcast has a cable infrastructure monopoly, att has a phone >> one. >> >> >> This does not pump broadband money back into the city. >> >> this does not provide lower pricing through competition. >> >> This does not allow business and homes to be securely and privately >> connected >> >> this does not give our major School, City, and Public facilities >> Internet access for a one time cost. >> >> It does not allow for an entrprenuer to come along and sell a new >> product to our marketplace. >> >> this does not see to privacy, net neutrality or digital divide. >> >> Check out this video from a company that makes a software product that >> could be one of the ones to run our network. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-eqnU_eL8 >> >> In Ammon Id right now, 100 MBps is $10 per month. Why ? Competition on a >> municipal owned fiber plant. >> >> This does not do anything innovative or interesting with a Davis fiber >> ecosystem, as it will be under lock and key. Dont get me wrong, I'm >> happy to have wave come and? compete on community owned fiber, and >> others of course as well .just? Not on an exclusive basis. Once this is >> done, there is no other physical infrastructure coming that replaces >> fiber. once fiber is built out with a private company, its just all >> locked up with them. >> >> This meeting is the MOST IMPORTANT MEETING of this entire process. If >> you still care or do care about making thi, please come and give a >> public comment. Or mail one to >> >> sworley at cityofdavis.org and clements at ucdavis.edu >> >> Make no mistake, if this is allowed to proceed, DavisGIG, a community >> fiber plant that could unleash all sorts of good things, is dead. >> >> Sorry to be grim, but that is what is going on. >> >> Thanks >> >> RAN >> >> -- >> Robert Nickerson >> UCD Class of 1996 >> CEO, Om Networks >> >> cell: 5308483865 >> www.omsoft.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: >> >> http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start >> >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > > Doug Walter (home account) > dawalter at dcn.org > "Wag more, bark less" > > _______________________________________________ > > Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: > > http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start > > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig Doug Walter (home account) dawalter at dcn.org "Wag more, bark less" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dawalter at dcn.org Tue Mar 26 22:06:19 2019 From: dawalter at dcn.org (Douglas A. Walter) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 22:06:19 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] [Davisgig-announce] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city chambers In-Reply-To: References: <56394c8a-50c2-e03c-bada-3cd31d820543@omsoft.com> Message-ID: Hi Josh. Did my later posting answer this? If not, please see below... On Mar 26, 2019, at 7:53 PM, Joshua Zeldner wrote: > Thank you for this warning! I just posted on nextdoor about it. Can you confirm location of the meeting and maybe official name of the meeting or of the groups who are meeting? City of Davis Broadband Advisory Task Force Agenda City Hall Conference Room Community Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd., Davis CA 95616 Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 6:30 p.m. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Josh Zeldner >> www.zspecialtyfood.com >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Mar 26, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Omsoft Systems Administration via Davisgig-announce wrote: >>> >>> Hi All >>> >>> Specifically, some City Staff have invited a MAJOR private Fiber carrier into town, and giving them free use of city conduit to build out in exchange for 12 fibers between some city buildings. . the justification is comcast will start charging now that the inet is overand the comcast franchise is expired. This will serve as a basis for a residential build out by wave, generating another physical monopoly on internet, the fiber based kind. Comcast has a cable infrastructure monopoly, att has a phone one. >>> >>> >>> This does not pump broadband money back into the city. >>> >>> this does not provide lower pricing through competition. >>> >>> This does not allow business and homes to be securely and privately connected >>> >>> this does not give our major School, City, and Public facilities Internet access for a one time cost. >>> >>> It does not allow for an entrepreneur to come along and sell a new product to our marketplace. >>> >>> this does not see to privacy, net neutrality or digital divide. >>> >>> Check out this video from a company that makes a software product that could be one of the ones to run our network. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-eqnU_eL8 >>> >>> In Ammon Id right now, 100 MBps is $10 per month. Why ? Competition on a municipal owned fiber plant. >>> >>> This does not do anything innovative or interesting with a Davis fiber ecosystem, as it will be under lock and key. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to have wave come and compete on community owned fiber, and others of course as well .just Not on an exclusive basis. Once this is done, there is no other physical infrastructure coming that replaces fiber. once fiber is built out with a private company, its just all locked up with them. >>> >>> This meeting is the MOST IMPORTANT MEETING of this entire process. If you still care or do care about making this, please come and give a public comment. Or mail one to >>> >>> sworley at cityofdavis.org and clements at ucdavis.edu >>> >>> Make no mistake, if this is allowed to proceed, DavisGIG, a community fiber plant that could unleash all sorts of good things, is dead. >>> >>> Sorry to be grim, but that is what is going on. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> RAN >>> >>> >>> >>> <06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf><06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf>_______________________________________________ >>> Davisgig-announce mailing list >>> Davisgig-announce at list.davisgig.org >>> %To unsubscribe(web_page_url)slistinfo/davisgig-announce >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: >> >> http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start >> >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > > Thank you, > > Josh Zeldner > www.zspecialtyfood.com > > > > > >> On Mar 26, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Omsoft Systems Administration via Davisgig-announce wrote: >> >> Hi All >> >> Specifically, some City Staff have invited a MAJOR private Fiber carrier into town, and giving them free use of city conduit to build out in exchange for 12 fibers between some city buildings. . the justification is comcast will start charging now that the inet is overand the comcast franchise is expired. This will serve as a basis for a residential build out by wave, generating another physical monopoly on internet, the fiber based kind. Comcast has a cable infrastructure monopoly, att has a phone one. >> >> >> This does not pump broadband money back into the city. >> >> this does not provide lower pricing through competition. >> >> This does not allow business and homes to be securely and privately connected >> >> this does not give our major School, City, and Public facilities Internet access for a one time cost. >> >> It does not allow for an entrepreneur to come along and sell a new product to our marketplace. >> >> this does not see to privacy, net neutrality or digital divide. >> >> Check out this video from a company that makes a software product that could be one of the ones to run our network. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-eqnU_eL8 >> >> In Ammon Id right now, 100 MBps is $10 per month. Why ? Competition on a municipal owned fiber plant. >> >> This does not do anything innovative or interesting with a Davis fiber ecosystem, as it will be under lock and key. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to have wave come and compete on community owned fiber, and others of course as well .just Not on an exclusive basis. Once this is done, there is no other physical infrastructure coming that replaces fiber. once fiber is built out with a private company, its just all locked up with them. >> >> This meeting is the MOST IMPORTANT MEETING of this entire process. If you still care or do care about making this, please come and give a public comment. Or mail one to >> >> sworley at cityofdavis.org and clements at ucdavis.edu >> >> Make no mistake, if this is allowed to proceed, DavisGIG, a community fiber plant that could unleash all sorts of good things, is dead. >> >> Sorry to be grim, but that is what is going on. >> >> Thanks >> >> RAN >> >> >> >> <06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf><06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf>_______________________________________________ >> Davisgig-announce mailing list >> Davisgig-announce at list.davisgig.org >> %To unsubscribe(web_page_url)slistinfo/davisgig-announce > > _______________________________________________ > > Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: > > http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start > > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig Doug Walter (home account) dawalter at dcn.org "Wag more, bark less" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhframe at dcn.org Tue Mar 26 22:13:40 2019 From: jhframe at dcn.org (Jim Frame) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 22:13:40 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city chambers In-Reply-To: References: <5D3F7A1F-DB92-48BF-A276-5DF8BA8250FB@dcn.org> <4723CF96-AFF8-4A35-89C6-9590BF825DB5@dcn.org> Message-ID: <9b3b8397-4218-b9a8-c68f-49b6c72e1d19@dcn.org> The most significant change that I see to the agreement is in ?4.1, which allows the city to make use of innerducts not used by Wave. However, we don't know what percentage (if any) of the city conduit is so divided, and if Wave were to request use of all the innerducts there'd be none left for the city or others to use. This change is wholly inadequate and does nothing to change the inherently unfair nature of the agreement. On 3/26/2019 9:30 PM, Douglas A. Walter wrote: > Did everybody see the two PDF docs from the BATF that Rob shared? I'm > still trying to digest them, but based on what we've previously > discussed, here is my suggested letter/message text: > > If you are willing to take a moment to contact the Broadband Advisory > Task Force as part of public comment to their meeting tomorrow night, > please write to: > Broadband Advisory Task Force chair: > Chris Clements > > > City staff to Broadband Advisory Task Force: > Diane Parro > > Sarah Worley > > > City Clerk: > Zoe Mirabile > > > Feel free to tag a City Council member's FB page if you do so. > > > Sample letter: > > > Hi, > > > I am concerned about news that the City of Davis may invite a major > private carrier to install fiber optic infrastructure using City-owned > conduit as a start to their system. I am against giving away > infrastructure we own without assessing how much it is worth! I would > prefer to see the Broadband Advisory Task Force recommend that the City > continue exploring the proposal developed by your subcommittee. > > > It would: > > > * Provide the city with its own broadband resources > > * Allow competition to develop > > * Guarantee privacy in Internet connections for business and homes > > * Give our schools, city, and public facilities internet access for a > one time cost > > > There are no guarantees that a major carrier will honor privacy, net > neutrality or address issues from the digital divide. Please do not > derail a process that could result in a municipal or cooperative > ownership of a City-wide gigabit fiber network! > > > Thanks, > > > Your Name Here > > > On Mar 26, 2019, at 8:01 PM, "Douglas A. Walter" > wrote: > >> Hi, and thank you for putting that out, John. Rob didn't mention that >> the meeting on 3/27 is a Broadband Advisory Task Force meeting. For >> the moment, makes sure that you address the people I'm pasting into >> your template: the Task Force Chair and the City staff working on >> this. It is also not the case that there's "a proposal developed by >> DavisGIG," while there have been substantive discussions on a BATF >> subcommittee. I guess the current agenda isn't taking the report from >> that group into account before endorsing the give-away proposal? >> >> On Mar 26, 2019, at 5:29 PM, John Steggall > > wrote: >> >>> RAN, et al., >>> >>> How is this for a template to write to the city and UCD? >>> >>> =-=-= >>> >> Broadband Advisory Task Force chair: >> >> Chris Clements > >> >> >> City staff to Broadband Advisory Task Force: >> >> Diane Parro > >> >> Sarah Worley > >> >> >> City Clerk: >> >> Zoe Mirabile > > >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am concerned about news that the City of Davis may invite a major >>> private carrier to install fiber optic infrastructure in the city. I >>> am against this and would prefer to see the city continue exploring a >>> proposal developed by the Broadband Advisory Task Force subcommittee >>> which would: >>> >>> * Provide the city with its own broadband resources >>> * Stimulate competition >>> * Guarantee private internet connections for business and homes >>> * Give our school, city, and public facilities internet access for a >>> one time cost >>> >>> There are no guarantees that a major carrier will honor privacy, net >>> neutrality or the digital divide. Please do not derail the DavisGIG >>> process! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Your Name Here >>> >>> =-=-= >>> >>> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:40:13 -0700 >>> From: Robert Nickerson > >>> To: Davis gig >> > >>> Subject: [Davisgig] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be >>> knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city >>> chambers >>> >>> Hi All >>> >>> Specifically, some City Staff have invited a MAJOR private Fiber carrier >>> into town, and giving them free use of city conduit to build out in >>> exchange? for 12 fibers between some city buildings. . the justification >>> is comcast will start charging now that the inet is overand the comcast >>> franchise is expired. This will serve as a basis for a residential build >>> out by wave, generating another physical monopoly on internet, the fiber >>> based kind. Comcast has a cable infrastructure monopoly, att has a phone >>> one. >>> >>> >>> This does not pump broadband money back into the city. >>> >>> this does not provide lower pricing through competition. >>> >>> This does not allow business and homes to be securely and privately >>> connected >>> >>> this does not give our major School, City, and Public facilities >>> Internet access for a one time cost. >>> >>> It does not allow for an entrprenuer to come along and sell a new >>> product to our marketplace. >>> >>> this does not see to privacy, net neutrality or digital divide. >>> >>> Check out this video from a company that makes a software product that >>> could be one of the ones to run our network. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-eqnU_eL8 >>> >>> In Ammon Id right now, 100 MBps is $10 per month. Why ? Competition on a >>> municipal owned fiber plant. >>> >>> This does not do anything innovative or interesting with a Davis fiber >>> ecosystem, as it will be under lock and key. Dont get me wrong, I'm >>> happy to have wave come and? compete on community owned fiber, and >>> others of course as well .just? Not on an exclusive basis. Once this is >>> done, there is no other physical infrastructure coming that replaces >>> fiber. once fiber is built out with a private company, its just all >>> locked up with them. >>> >>> This meeting is the MOST IMPORTANT MEETING of this entire process. If >>> you still care or do care about making thi, please come and give a >>> public comment. Or mail one to >>> >>> sworley at cityofdavis.org and >>> clements at ucdavis.edu >>> >>> Make no mistake, if this is allowed to proceed, DavisGIG, a community >>> fiber plant that could unleash all sorts of good things, is dead. >>> >>> Sorry to be grim, but that is what is going on. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> RAN >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Nickerson >>> UCD Class of 1996 >>> CEO, Om Networks >>> >>> cell: 5308483865 >>> www.omsoft.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: >>> >>> http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start >>> >>> Davisgig mailing list >>> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >>> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >> >> Doug Walter (home account) >> dawalter at dcn.org >> "Wag more, bark less" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: >> >> http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start >> >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > > Doug Walter (home account) > dawalter at dcn.org > "Wag more, bark less" > > > _______________________________________________ > > Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: > > http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start > > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Frame jhframe at dcn.org 530.756.8584 Frame Surveying & Mapping 609 A Street Davis, CA 95616 -----------------------< Davis Community Network >------------------- From mattwill at pacbell.net Tue Mar 26 22:46:12 2019 From: mattwill at pacbell.net (Matthews Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 05:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Davisgig] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city chambers In-Reply-To: <9b3b8397-4218-b9a8-c68f-49b6c72e1d19@dcn.org> References: <5D3F7A1F-DB92-48BF-A276-5DF8BA8250FB@dcn.org> <4723CF96-AFF8-4A35-89C6-9590BF825DB5@dcn.org> <9b3b8397-4218-b9a8-c68f-49b6c72e1d19@dcn.org> Message-ID: <868060748.11746221.1553665572106@mail.yahoo.com> Jim, attached is a side-by-side comparison of (1) the revised proposed contract, (2) the original proposed contract, and (3) the questions/issues from the BATF Subcommittee report contained in the packet.? It lays out very clearly both the changes in the contract language (very minimal) as well as all the questions issues that were raised in the February 27th BATF meeting by the Task Force members and the public.? The language issue you illuminate is real, but that issue pales when compared to the substantial process issues illuminated in the Subcommittee report.? I had a meeting with the City Finance Director this morning, and he confirmed that to date no financial analysis of any broadband proposal has been performed by anyone in the Finance Department.? That lack of a financial analysis is the first of seven (7) documented issues with the February 5th Staff report, and eleven (11) documented issues with the original proposed contract.? None of those eighteen (18) substantial documented issues have been addressed by the process to date. I strongly suggest that public comment should support the recommendation of the Subcommittee report, which is as follows: The BATF Subcommitteerecommends that the BATF adopt the following or a similar motion to the CityCouncil at its March 27, 2019 meeting: ?TheBATF recommends that the City Council defer action on Staff?s proposed Astoundcontract and direct Staff to work with the BATF or a designated subcommitteethereof to, at a minimum: ?(1)Have the City Finance Director perform a detailed financial analysis of theproposed Astound contract; ?(2)Assess the potential impacts of the proposed Astound contract on the viabilityof and support for a City-owned broadband network that can serve all Davisresidents and businesses; ? ?(3)Identify and comparatively assess alternatives, including an option whereby theCity owns and controls all fiber capacity in City conduit and leases shares ofcapacity on an open-access basis to third-party ISPs and content providers;? ?(4)Since the Comcast contract has expired, determine the amount of costs or feesthe City could face for continuing to use the existing Comcast fiber until analternative can be implemented; and ?(5)Examine the terms of the recently expired Comcast contract to determinewhat legal rights Comcast has to continue to use the City conduit and whatfair-market fees the City could be receiving from Comcast for such use. ?TheBATF also recommends that the City Council direct Staff to consult with theBATF and provide an opportunity for a BATF recommendation to City Council priorto bringing the proposed or a revised Astound contract or an alternative toCity Council for approval.? The BATF Subcommittee also recommends thatthe BATF extend the charge of this subcommittee for the purpose ofcollaborating with City Staff on the above items. On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 10:13:47 PM PDT, Jim Frame wrote: The most significant change that I see to the agreement is in ?4.1, which allows the city to make use of innerducts not used by Wave. However, we don't know what percentage (if any) of the city conduit is so divided, and if Wave were to request use of all the innerducts there'd be none left for the city or others to use.? This change is wholly inadequate and does nothing to change the inherently unfair nature of the agreement. On 3/26/2019 9:30 PM, Douglas A. Walter wrote: > Did everybody see the two PDF docs from the BATF that Rob shared? I'm > still trying to digest them, but based on what we've previously > discussed, here is my suggested letter/message text: > > If you are willing to take a moment to contact the Broadband Advisory > Task Force as part of public comment to their meeting tomorrow night, > please write to: > Broadband Advisory Task Force chair: > Chris Clements > > > City staff to Broadband Advisory Task Force: > Diane Parro > > Sarah Worley > > > City Clerk: > Zoe Mirabile > > > Feel free to tag a City Council member's FB page if you do so. > > > Sample letter: > > > Hi, > > > I am concerned about news that the City of Davis may invite a major > private carrier to install fiber optic infrastructure using City-owned > conduit as a start to their system. I am against giving away > infrastructure we own without assessing how much it is worth! I would > prefer to see the Broadband Advisory Task Force recommend that the City > continue exploring the proposal developed by your subcommittee. > > > It would: > > > * Provide the city with its own broadband resources > > * Allow competition to develop > > * Guarantee privacy in Internet connections for business and homes > > * Give our schools, city, and public facilities internet access for a > one time cost > > > There are no guarantees that a major carrier will honor privacy, net > neutrality or address issues from the digital divide. Please do not > derail a process that could result in a municipal or cooperative > ownership of a City-wide gigabit fiber network! > > > Thanks, > > > Your Name Here > > > On Mar 26, 2019, at 8:01 PM, "Douglas A. Walter" > wrote: > >> Hi, and thank you for putting that out, John. Rob didn't mention that >> the meeting on 3/27 is a Broadband Advisory Task Force meeting. For >> the moment, makes sure that you address the people I'm pasting into >> your template: the Task Force Chair and the City staff working on >> this. It is also not the case that there's "a proposal developed by >> DavisGIG," while there have been substantive discussions on a BATF >> subcommittee. I guess the current agenda isn't taking the report from >> that group into account before endorsing the give-away proposal? >> >> On Mar 26, 2019, at 5:29 PM, John Steggall > > wrote: >> >>> RAN, et al., >>> >>> How is this for a template to write to the city and UCD? >>> >>> =-=-= >>> >> Broadband Advisory Task Force chair: >> >> Chris Clements > >> >> >> City staff to Broadband Advisory Task Force: >> >> Diane Parro > >> >> Sarah Worley > >> >> >> City Clerk: >> >> Zoe Mirabile > > >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am concerned about news that the City of Davis may invite a major >>> private carrier to install fiber optic infrastructure in the city. I >>> am against this and would prefer to see the city continue exploring a >>> proposal developed by the Broadband Advisory Task Force subcommittee >>> which would: >>> >>> * Provide the city with its own broadband resources >>> * Stimulate competition >>> * Guarantee private internet connections for business and homes >>> * Give our school, city, and public facilities internet access for a >>> one time cost >>> >>> There are no guarantees that a major carrier will honor privacy, net >>> neutrality or the digital divide. Please do not derail the DavisGIG >>> process! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Your Name Here >>> >>> =-=-= >>> >>> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:40:13 -0700 >>> From: Robert Nickerson > >>> To: Davis gig >> > >>> Subject: [Davisgig] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be >>> knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city >>> chambers >>> >>> Hi All >>> >>> Specifically, some City Staff have invited a MAJOR private Fiber carrier >>> into town, and giving them free use of city conduit to build out in >>> exchange? for 12 fibers between some city buildings. . the justification >>> is comcast will start charging now that the inet is overand the comcast >>> franchise is expired. This will serve as a basis for a residential build >>> out by wave, generating another physical monopoly on internet, the fiber >>> based kind. Comcast has a cable infrastructure monopoly, att has a phone >>> one. >>> >>> >>> This does not pump broadband money back into the city. >>> >>> this does not provide lower pricing through competition. >>> >>> This does not allow business and homes to be securely and privately >>> connected >>> >>> this does not give our major School, City, and Public facilities >>> Internet access for a one time cost. >>> >>> It does not allow for an entrprenuer to come along and sell a new >>> product to our marketplace. >>> >>> this does not see to privacy, net neutrality or digital divide. >>> >>> Check out this video from a company that makes a software product that >>> could be one of the ones to run our network. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-eqnU_eL8 >>> >>> In Ammon Id right now, 100 MBps is $10 per month. Why ? Competition on a >>> municipal owned fiber plant. >>> >>> This does not do anything innovative or interesting with a Davis fiber >>> ecosystem, as it will be under lock and key. Dont get me wrong, I'm >>> happy to have wave come and? compete on community owned fiber, and >>> others of course as well .just? Not on an exclusive basis. Once this is >>> done, there is no other physical infrastructure coming that replaces >>> fiber. once fiber is built out with a private company, its just all >>> locked up with them. >>> >>> This meeting is the MOST IMPORTANT MEETING of this entire process. If >>> you still care or do care about making thi, please come and give a >>> public comment. Or mail one to >>> >>> sworley at cityofdavis.org and >>> clements at ucdavis.edu >>> >>> Make no mistake, if this is allowed to proceed, DavisGIG, a community >>> fiber plant that could unleash all sorts of good things, is dead. >>> >>> Sorry to be grim, but that is what is going on. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> RAN >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Nickerson >>> UCD Class of 1996 >>> CEO, Om Networks >>> >>> cell: 5308483865 >>> www.omsoft.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: >>> >>> http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start >>> >>> Davisgig mailing list >>> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >>> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >> >> Doug Walter (home account) >> dawalter at dcn.org >> "Wag more, bark less" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: >> >> http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start >> >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > > Doug Walter (home account) > dawalter at dcn.org > "Wag more, bark less" > > > _______________________________________________ > > Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: > > http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start > > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Frame? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? jhframe at dcn.org? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 530.756.8584 Frame Surveying & Mapping? ? ? ? 609 A Street? ? ? ? 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URL: From mattwill at pacbell.net Tue Mar 26 22:47:48 2019 From: mattwill at pacbell.net (Matthews Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 05:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Davisgig] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city chambers In-Reply-To: <868060748.11746221.1553665572106@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5D3F7A1F-DB92-48BF-A276-5DF8BA8250FB@dcn.org> <4723CF96-AFF8-4A35-89C6-9590BF825DB5@dcn.org> <9b3b8397-4218-b9a8-c68f-49b6c72e1d19@dcn.org> <868060748.11746221.1553665572106@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <190114711.11737507.1553665668217@mail.yahoo.com> Here's the side-by-side attachment I referenced below. On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 10:46:12 PM PDT, Matthews Williams wrote: Jim, attached is a side-by-side comparison of (1) the revised proposed contract, (2) the original proposed contract, and (3) the questions/issues from the BATF Subcommittee report contained in the packet.? It lays out very clearly both the changes in the contract language (very minimal) as well as all the questions issues that were raised in the February 27th BATF meeting by the Task Force members and the public.? The language issue you illuminate is real, but that issue pales when compared to the substantial process issues illuminated in the Subcommittee report.? I had a meeting with the City Finance Director this morning, and he confirmed that to date no financial analysis of any broadband proposal has been performed by anyone in the Finance Department.? That lack of a financial analysis is the first of seven (7) documented issues with the February 5th Staff report, and eleven (11) documented issues with the original proposed contract.? None of those eighteen (18) substantial documented issues have been addressed by the process to date. I strongly suggest that public comment should support the recommendation of the Subcommittee report, which is as follows: The BATF Subcommitteerecommends that the BATF adopt the following or a similar motion to the CityCouncil at its March 27, 2019 meeting: ?TheBATF recommends that the City Council defer action on Staff?s proposed Astoundcontract and direct Staff to work with the BATF or a designated subcommitteethereof to, at a minimum: ?(1)Have the City Finance Director perform a detailed financial analysis of theproposed Astound contract; ?(2)Assess the potential impacts of the proposed Astound contract on the viabilityof and support for a City-owned broadband network that can serve all Davisresidents and businesses; ? ?(3)Identify and comparatively assess alternatives, including an option whereby theCity owns and controls all fiber capacity in City conduit and leases shares ofcapacity on an open-access basis to third-party ISPs and content providers;? ?(4)Since the Comcast contract has expired, determine the amount of costs or feesthe City could face for continuing to use the existing Comcast fiber until analternative can be implemented; and ?(5)Examine the terms of the recently expired Comcast contract to determinewhat legal rights Comcast has to continue to use the City conduit and whatfair-market fees the City could be receiving from Comcast for such use. ?TheBATF also recommends that the City Council direct Staff to consult with theBATF and provide an opportunity for a BATF recommendation to City Council priorto bringing the proposed or a revised Astound contract or an alternative toCity Council for approval.? The BATF Subcommittee also recommends thatthe BATF extend the charge of this subcommittee for the purpose ofcollaborating with City Staff on the above items. On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 10:13:47 PM PDT, Jim Frame wrote: The most significant change that I see to the agreement is in ?4.1, which allows the city to make use of innerducts not used by Wave. However, we don't know what percentage (if any) of the city conduit is so divided, and if Wave were to request use of all the innerducts there'd be none left for the city or others to use.? This change is wholly inadequate and does nothing to change the inherently unfair nature of the agreement. On 3/26/2019 9:30 PM, Douglas A. Walter wrote: > Did everybody see the two PDF docs from the BATF that Rob shared? I'm > still trying to digest them, but based on what we've previously > discussed, here is my suggested letter/message text: > > If you are willing to take a moment to contact the Broadband Advisory > Task Force as part of public comment to their meeting tomorrow night, > please write to: > Broadband Advisory Task Force chair: > Chris Clements > > > City staff to Broadband Advisory Task Force: > Diane Parro > > Sarah Worley > > > City Clerk: > Zoe Mirabile > > > Feel free to tag a City Council member's FB page if you do so. > > > Sample letter: > > > Hi, > > > I am concerned about news that the City of Davis may invite a major > private carrier to install fiber optic infrastructure using City-owned > conduit as a start to their system. I am against giving away > infrastructure we own without assessing how much it is worth! I would > prefer to see the Broadband Advisory Task Force recommend that the City > continue exploring the proposal developed by your subcommittee. > > > It would: > > > * Provide the city with its own broadband resources > > * Allow competition to develop > > * Guarantee privacy in Internet connections for business and homes > > * Give our schools, city, and public facilities internet access for a > one time cost > > > There are no guarantees that a major carrier will honor privacy, net > neutrality or address issues from the digital divide. Please do not > derail a process that could result in a municipal or cooperative > ownership of a City-wide gigabit fiber network! > > > Thanks, > > > Your Name Here > > > On Mar 26, 2019, at 8:01 PM, "Douglas A. Walter" > wrote: > >> Hi, and thank you for putting that out, John. Rob didn't mention that >> the meeting on 3/27 is a Broadband Advisory Task Force meeting. For >> the moment, makes sure that you address the people I'm pasting into >> your template: the Task Force Chair and the City staff working on >> this. It is also not the case that there's "a proposal developed by >> DavisGIG," while there have been substantive discussions on a BATF >> subcommittee. I guess the current agenda isn't taking the report from >> that group into account before endorsing the give-away proposal? >> >> On Mar 26, 2019, at 5:29 PM, John Steggall > > wrote: >> >>> RAN, et al., >>> >>> How is this for a template to write to the city and UCD? >>> >>> =-=-= >>> >> Broadband Advisory Task Force chair: >> >> Chris Clements > >> >> >> City staff to Broadband Advisory Task Force: >> >> Diane Parro > >> >> Sarah Worley > >> >> >> City Clerk: >> >> Zoe Mirabile > > >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am concerned about news that the City of Davis may invite a major >>> private carrier to install fiber optic infrastructure in the city. I >>> am against this and would prefer to see the city continue exploring a >>> proposal developed by the Broadband Advisory Task Force subcommittee >>> which would: >>> >>> * Provide the city with its own broadband resources >>> * Stimulate competition >>> * Guarantee private internet connections for business and homes >>> * Give our school, city, and public facilities internet access for a >>> one time cost >>> >>> There are no guarantees that a major carrier will honor privacy, net >>> neutrality or the digital divide. Please do not derail the DavisGIG >>> process! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Your Name Here >>> >>> =-=-= >>> >>> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:40:13 -0700 >>> From: Robert Nickerson > >>> To: Davis gig >> > >>> Subject: [Davisgig] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be >>> knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city >>> chambers >>> >>> Hi All >>> >>> Specifically, some City Staff have invited a MAJOR private Fiber carrier >>> into town, and giving them free use of city conduit to build out in >>> exchange? for 12 fibers between some city buildings. . the justification >>> is comcast will start charging now that the inet is overand the comcast >>> franchise is expired. This will serve as a basis for a residential build >>> out by wave, generating another physical monopoly on internet, the fiber >>> based kind. Comcast has a cable infrastructure monopoly, att has a phone >>> one. >>> >>> >>> This does not pump broadband money back into the city. >>> >>> this does not provide lower pricing through competition. >>> >>> This does not allow business and homes to be securely and privately >>> connected >>> >>> this does not give our major School, City, and Public facilities >>> Internet access for a one time cost. >>> >>> It does not allow for an entrprenuer to come along and sell a new >>> product to our marketplace. >>> >>> this does not see to privacy, net neutrality or digital divide. >>> >>> Check out this video from a company that makes a software product that >>> could be one of the ones to run our network. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-eqnU_eL8 >>> >>> In Ammon Id right now, 100 MBps is $10 per month. Why ? Competition on a >>> municipal owned fiber plant. >>> >>> This does not do anything innovative or interesting with a Davis fiber >>> ecosystem, as it will be under lock and key. Dont get me wrong, I'm >>> happy to have wave come and? compete on community owned fiber, and >>> others of course as well .just? Not on an exclusive basis. Once this is >>> done, there is no other physical infrastructure coming that replaces >>> fiber. once fiber is built out with a private company, its just all >>> locked up with them. >>> >>> This meeting is the MOST IMPORTANT MEETING of this entire process. If >>> you still care or do care about making thi, please come and give a >>> public comment. Or mail one to >>> >>> sworley at cityofdavis.org and >>> clements at ucdavis.edu >>> >>> Make no mistake, if this is allowed to proceed, DavisGIG, a community >>> fiber plant that could unleash all sorts of good things, is dead. >>> >>> Sorry to be grim, but that is what is going on. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> RAN >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Nickerson >>> UCD Class of 1996 >>> CEO, Om Networks >>> >>> cell: 5308483865 >>> www.omsoft.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: >>> >>> http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start >>> >>> Davisgig mailing list >>> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >>> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >> >> Doug Walter (home account) >> dawalter at dcn.org >> "Wag more, bark less" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: >> >> http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start >> >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > > Doug Walter (home account) > dawalter at dcn.org > "Wag more, bark less" > > > _______________________________________________ > > Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: > > http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start > > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Frame? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? jhframe at dcn.org? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 530.756.8584 Frame Surveying & Mapping? ? ? ? 609 A Street? ? ? ? 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Finally the competing good proposal you want to support is the one > by the BATF subcommittee > > > City Staff > > http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf > > BATF Subcommittee > > > http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf > > -Also if anyone has any questions about the location it is at > > City Hall > 23 Russell Blvd > Community Chambers Meeting Room > Next to where city council meetings are held > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Davisgig-announce mailing list > Davisgig-announce at list.davisgig.org > %To unsubscribe(web_page_url)slistinfo/davisgig-announce > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelduey at gmail.com Tue Mar 26 21:35:33 2019 From: michaelduey at gmail.com (Mike) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 21:35:33 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] [Davisgig-announce] DavisGIG is on the ropes and is about to be knocked out at the next meeting TOMORROW NIGHT 3/27 6:30 pm city chambers In-Reply-To: <56394c8a-50c2-e03c-bada-3cd31d820543@omsoft.com> References: <56394c8a-50c2-e03c-bada-3cd31d820543@omsoft.com> Message-ID: I would be glad to send an email to the addresses listed. Can you please provide some sample text that i might use? Not enough time to study proposal right now. Thanks, Mike On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 5:20 PM Omsoft Systems Administration via Davisgig-announce wrote: > Hi All > > Specifically, some City Staff have invited a MAJOR private Fiber carrier > into town, and giving them free use of city conduit to build out in > exchange for 12 fibers between some city buildings. . the justification > is comcast will start charging now that the inet is overand the comcast > franchise is expired. This will serve as a basis for a residential build > out by wave, generating another physical monopoly on internet, the fiber > based kind. Comcast has a cable infrastructure monopoly, att has a phone > one. > > > This does not pump broadband money back into the city. > > this does not provide lower pricing through competition. > > This does not allow business and homes to be securely and privately > connected > > this does not give our major School, City, and Public facilities > Internet access for a one time cost. > > It does not allow for an entrepreneur to come along and sell a new > product to our marketplace. > > this does not see to privacy, net neutrality or digital divide. > > Check out this video from a company that makes a software product that > could be one of the ones to run our network. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-eqnU_eL8 > > In Ammon Id right now, 100 MBps is $10 per month. Why ? Competition on a > municipal owned fiber plant. > > This does not do anything innovative or interesting with a Davis fiber > ecosystem, as it will be under lock and key. Don't get me wrong, I'm > happy to have wave come and compete on community owned fiber, and > others of course as well .just Not on an exclusive basis. Once this is > done, there is no other physical infrastructure coming that replaces > fiber. once fiber is built out with a private company, its just all > locked up with them. > > This meeting is the MOST IMPORTANT MEETING of this entire process. If > you still care or do care about making this, please come and give a > public comment. Or mail one to > > sworley at cityofdavis.org and clements at ucdavis.edu > > Make no mistake, if this is allowed to proceed, DavisGIG, a community > fiber plant that could unleash all sorts of good things, is dead. > > Sorry to be grim, but that is what is going on. > > Thanks > > RAN > > > > _______________________________________________ > Davisgig-announce mailing list > Davisgig-announce at list.davisgig.org > %To unsubscribe(web_page_url)slistinfo/davisgig-announce > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donsherman at mac.com Tue Mar 26 22:33:43 2019 From: donsherman at mac.com (Don Sherman) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 22:33:43 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] Comcast expiration and WAVE or Astound proposal Message-ID: <6B180AA0-89CE-4A60-984F-61569217BED2@mac.com> To: City of Davis Please be wary of granting any private enterprise exclusive use of city facilities. Regarding wifi and cellular service, around 40-years ago, when the technology was new to most of us, Davis and many other US cities were seduced by carriers into granting exclusives in exchange for a few public access channels. Few would have imagined that these carriers would merge what is now a handful of enormous corporations controlling distribution of data, communications, and information. The channels ?given? cities have proven to be essentially worthless as they exist only as long as mostly unpaid volunteers are willing or available to maintain them. In what has developed as a world of hundreds of choices and the ease with which live or recorded video can now be transmitted to managed or unlimited audiences, viewing through their pocketable phones, tablets or their computers, there is little evidence of measurable viewing of of the so-called ?public? cable channels, Davis? among them. Please examine who benefits the most from that historical decision to grant exclusive access to one corporation. Technology is continuously advancing. Almost as certainly as the rotation of the earth, the tech we take for granted and have come to expect to use 24/7, will be obsolete in most of our lifetimes. One relevant example is the expected distribution 5G communication: with remarkably greater capacity and higher speeds than either today?s wi-fi or cellular. If we are not sufficiently skeptical of commitments being asked of us now, let us, at the very least look at the proposal from WAVE, Astoound, or anyone seeking exclusivity in Davis from their point-of-view. Why do they think this is a good deal and why are they anxious to secure an exclusive deal before the next ?big thing? comes along? Would our city grant exclusive license to one real estate developer? One grocery chain? 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Finally the competing good proposal you want to support is the one by the BATF subcommittee > > > City Staff http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf > > BATF Subcommittee > > http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf > > -Also if anyone has any questions about the location it is at > > City Hall > 23 Russell Blvd > Community Chambers Meeting Room > Next to where city council meetings are held > > > > > <06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf><06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf>_______________________________________________ > Davisgig-announce mailing list > Davisgig-announce at list.davisgig.org > %To unsubscribe(web_page_url)slistinfo/davisgig-announce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mattwill at pacbell.net Wed Mar 27 14:30:56 2019 From: mattwill at pacbell.net (Matt Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:30:56 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] [Davisgig-announce] Links to Documents for BROADBAND ADVISORY TASK FORCE MEETING In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brandon, the subcommittee report addresses that possibility. The process has so many fatal flaws that adjusting contract language is putting lipstick on a pig. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 26, 2019, at 9:25 PM, Brandon Merritt wrote: > > Are there other alternatives we can suggest that can be added to the agreement, such as requiring open-access to the fiber in case other companies want to enter into the local market? > >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:41 PM Omsoft Systems Administration via Davisgig-announce wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I tried to send you the two proposals that are going tomorrow, but it >> looks like or list manager software dropped them. I edited some >> settings, and we will see if they are included. If not, here are the >> URLS. Finally the competing good proposal you want to support is the one >> by the BATF subcommittee >> >> >> City Staff >> http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf >> >> BATF Subcommittee >> >> http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf >> >> -Also if anyone has any questions about the location it is at >> >> City Hall >> 23 Russell Blvd >> Community Chambers Meeting Room >> Next to where city council meetings are held >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Davisgig-announce mailing list >> Davisgig-announce at list.davisgig.org >> %To unsubscribe(web_page_url)slistinfo/davisgig-announce > _______________________________________________ > > Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: > > http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start > > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mattwill at pacbell.net Wed Mar 27 15:29:25 2019 From: mattwill at pacbell.net (Matthews Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Davisgig] [Davisgig-announce] Links to Documents for BROADBAND ADVISORY TASK FORCE MEETING In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1419533348.12254427.1553725765271@mail.yahoo.com> Brandon, here's some additional depth now that I have access to my laptop rather than my phone.? The attached pdf shows the contract side by side with the issues the BATF raised both in the February 27th meeting and in the subcommittee report.? You can see from the issues/questions in the right-most column that none of the eighteen (18) issues raised either with the staff report or with specific provisions of the proposed contract are addressed.? 18 unaddressed issues is why I say the contract as proposed is fatally flawed. Matt On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 2:30:56 PM PDT, Matt Williams wrote: Brandon, the subcommittee report addresses that possibility. ?The process has so many fatal flaws that adjusting contract language is putting lipstick on a pig. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2019, at 9:25 PM, Brandon Merritt wrote: Are there other alternatives we can suggest that can be added to the agreement, such as requiring open-access to the fiber in case other companies want to enter into the local market? On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:41 PM Omsoft Systems Administration via Davisgig-announce wrote: Hi All I tried to send you the two proposals that are going tomorrow, but it looks like or list manager software dropped them. I edited some settings, and we will see if they are included. If not, here are the URLS. Finally the competing good proposal you want to support is the one by the BATF subcommittee City Staff http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf BATF Subcommittee http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf -Also if anyone has any questions about the location it is at City Hall 23 Russell Blvd Community Chambers Meeting Room Next to where city council meetings are held _______________________________________________ Davisgig-announce mailing list Davisgig-announce at list.davisgig.org %To unsubscribe(web_page_url)slistinfo/davisgig-announce _______________________________________________ Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start Davisgig mailing list Davisgig at list.omsoft.com http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mattwill at pacbell.net Wed Mar 27 15:48:41 2019 From: mattwill at pacbell.net (Matthews Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Davisgig] Attachment for Re: [Davisgig-announce] Links to Documents for BROADBAND ADVISORY TASK FORCE MEETING In-Reply-To: <1419533348.12254427.1553725765271@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1419533348.12254427.1553725765271@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1119998341.12240452.1553726921699@mail.yahoo.com> For some reason the pdf did not attach before sending.? Here it is again On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 3:29:25 PM PDT, Matthews Williams wrote: Brandon, here's some additional depth now that I have access to my laptop rather than my phone.? The attached pdf shows the contract side by side with the issues the BATF raised both in the February 27th meeting and in the subcommittee report.? You can see from the issues/questions in the right-most column that none of the eighteen (18) issues raised either with the staff report or with specific provisions of the proposed contract are addressed.? 18 unaddressed issues is why I say the contract as proposed is fatally flawed. Matt On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 2:30:56 PM PDT, Matt Williams wrote: Brandon, the subcommittee report addresses that possibility. ?The process has so many fatal flaws that adjusting contract language is putting lipstick on a pig. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2019, at 9:25 PM, Brandon Merritt wrote: Are there other alternatives we can suggest that can be added to the agreement, such as requiring open-access to the fiber in case other companies want to enter into the local market? On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:41 PM Omsoft Systems Administration via Davisgig-announce wrote: Hi All I tried to send you the two proposals that are going tomorrow, but it looks like or list manager software dropped them. I edited some settings, and we will see if they are included. If not, here are the URLS. Finally the competing good proposal you want to support is the one by the BATF subcommittee City Staff http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf BATF Subcommittee http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf -Also if anyone has any questions about the location it is at City Hall 23 Russell Blvd Community Chambers Meeting Room Next to where city council meetings are held _______________________________________________ Davisgig-announce mailing list Davisgig-announce at list.davisgig.org %To unsubscribe(web_page_url)slistinfo/davisgig-announce _______________________________________________ Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start Davisgig mailing list Davisgig at list.omsoft.com http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The BATF Subcommitteerecommends that the BATF adopt the following or a similar motion to the CityCouncil at its March 27, 2019 meeting: ?TheBATF recommends that the City Council defer action on Staff?s proposed Astoundcontract and direct Staff to work with the BATF or a designated subcommitteethereof to, at a minimum: ?(1)Have the City Finance Director perform a detailed financial analysis of theproposed Astound contract; ?(2)Assess the potential impacts of the proposed Astound contract on the viabilityof and support for a City-owned broadband network that can serve all Davisresidents and businesses; ? ?(3)Identify and comparatively assess alternatives, including an option whereby theCity owns and controls all fiber capacity in City conduit and leases shares ofcapacity on an open-access basis to third-party ISPs and content providers;? ?(4)Since the Comcast contract has expired, determine the amount of costs or feesthe City could face for continuing to use the existing Comcast fiber until analternative can be implemented; and ?(5)Examine the terms of the recently expired Comcast contract to determinewhat legal rights Comcast has to continue to use the City conduit and whatfair-market fees the City could be receiving from Comcast for such use. ?TheBATF also recommends that the City Council direct Staff to consult with theBATF and provide an opportunity for a BATF recommendation to City Council priorto bringing the proposed or a revised Astound contract or an alternative toCity Council for approval.? The BATF Subcommittee also recommends thatthe BATF extend the charge of this subcommittee for the purpose ofcollaborating with City Staff on the above items. On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 3:31:03 PM PDT, Brandon Merritt wrote: Gotcha, thanks for providing this info. So, do we know which council meeting staff is planning on taking this agreement as an agenda item? On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:29 PM Matthews Williams wrote: Brandon, here's some additional depth now that I have access to my laptop rather than my phone.? The attached pdf shows the contract side by side with the issues the BATF raised both in the February 27th meeting and in the subcommittee report.? You can see from the issues/questions in the right-most column that none of the eighteen (18) issues raised either with the staff report or with specific provisions of the proposed contract are addressed.? 18 unaddressed issues is why I say the contract as proposed is fatally flawed. Matt On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 2:30:56 PM PDT, Matt Williams wrote: Brandon, the subcommittee report addresses that possibility.? The process has so many fatal flaws that adjusting contract language is putting lipstick on a pig. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2019, at 9:25 PM, Brandon Merritt wrote: Are there other alternatives we can suggest that can be added to the agreement, such as requiring open-access to the fiber in case other companies want to enter into the local market? On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:41 PM Omsoft Systems Administration via Davisgig-announce wrote: Hi All I tried to send you the two proposals that are going tomorrow, but it looks like or list manager software dropped them. I edited some settings, and we will see if they are included. If not, here are the URLS. Finally the competing good proposal you want to support is the one by the BATF subcommittee City Staff http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf BATF Subcommittee http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf -Also if anyone has any questions about the location it is at City Hall 23 Russell Blvd Community Chambers Meeting Room Next to where city council meetings are held _______________________________________________ Davisgig-announce mailing list Davisgig-announce at list.davisgig.org %To unsubscribe(web_page_url)slistinfo/davisgig-announce _______________________________________________ Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start Davisgig mailing list Davisgig at list.omsoft.com http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dawalter at dcn.org Wed Mar 27 18:17:58 2019 From: dawalter at dcn.org (Douglas A. Walter) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:17:58 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] [Davisgig-announce] Links to Documents for BROADBAND ADVISORY TASK FORCE MEETING In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <837AA189-F708-4275-8873-EE94C410E327@dcn.org> Hi - I wrote directly to Don earlier, and I've written this in other messages BUT... City of Davis Broadband Advisory Task Force Agenda City Hall Conference Room Community Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd., Davis CA 95616 Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 6:30 p.m. On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:38 PM, donsherman--- via Davisgig wrote: > What day and time is the meeting? > > ? Don > >> On Mar 26, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Omsoft Systems Administration via Davisgig-announce wrote: >> >> Hi All >> >> I tried to send you the two proposals that are going tomorrow, but it looks like or list manager software dropped them. I edited some settings, and we will see if they are included. If not, here are the URLS. Finally the competing good proposal you want to support is the one by the BATF subcommittee >> >> >> City Staff http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf >> >> BATF Subcommittee >> >> http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/Broadband-Advisory-Task-Force/Agendas/20190327/06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf >> >> -Also if anyone has any questions about the location it is at >> >> City Hall >> 23 Russell Blvd >> Community Chambers Meeting Room >> Next to where city council meetings are held >> >> >> >> >> <06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions-Subcommittee-Report.pdf><06B-Fiber-Optic-Agreement-Revisions.pdf>_______________________________________________ >> Davisgig-announce mailing list >> Davisgig-announce at list.davisgig.org >> %To unsubscribe(web_page_url)slistinfo/davisgig-announce > > _______________________________________________ > > Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: > > http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start > > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig Doug Walter (home account) dawalter at dcn.org "Wag more, bark less" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dawalter at dcn.org Wed Mar 27 22:20:11 2019 From: dawalter at dcn.org (Douglas A. Walter) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:20:11 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] Report from tonight's meeting Message-ID: Hi folks, and I hope we're not driving you away. Tonight's meeting was of the City's Broadband Advisory Task Force (BATF). The motion that passed (6-0-1 abstention) was (with 98% claim of accuracy): ?The BATF recommends that the City Council defer action on Staff?s proposed Astound contract and direct Staff to work with the BATF or a designated subcommittee thereof to, at a minimum: ?(1) Have the City Finance Director perform a detailed financial analysis of the proposed Astound contract; ?(2) Assess the potential impacts of the proposed Astound contract on the viability of and support for a City-owned broadband network that can serve all Davis residents and businesses; ?(3) Identify and comparatively assess alternatives, including an option whereby the City owns and controls all fiber capacity in City conduit and leases shares of capacity on an open-access basis to third-party ISPs and content providers; ?The BATF also recommends that the City Council direct Staff to consult with the BATF and provide an opportunity for a BATF recommendation to City Council prior to bringing the proposed or a revised Astound contract or an alternative to City Council for approval.? This is pretty positive for keeping our vision alive. There were about a dozen people who spoke, and every one in their own way expressed support for keeping open the possibility of a municipal gigabit fiber network. Now, whether or not the Astound contract would detract from that vision was disputed a bit (although I think we also made a pretty good case there). But when the contract goes to the City Council for direction to staff, or for approval, it will have this motion attached to it, as well as one from the Utility Rate Advisory Commission (URAC) that also urges financial analysis. So, I feel we've made some progress and I personally appreciate everyone who submitted written comments (which will be part of the meeting record, we were told), and everyone who took the time to attend tonight. Thank you! Doug Walter (home account) dawalter at dcn.org "Wag more, bark less" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mattwill at pacbell.net Thu Mar 28 08:53:12 2019 From: mattwill at pacbell.net (Matthews Williams) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 15:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Davisgig] Report from tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2097020417.12659178.1553788392725@mail.yahoo.com> DavisGIG members, Don Sherman submitted a written public comment to BATF last night and that letter is published in the Davis Vanguard today.? The link for the article is https://www.davisvanguard.org/2019/03/letter-be-wary-of-granting-private-enterprise-exclusive-use-of-city-facilitates/ Jim Frame has already added a comment in the thread of that article, and I believe it would be very much in DavisGIG's best interest if the number of comments and commenters in Don's article is high, and the dialogue is robust.? So, as they say, come one, come all! Matt On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 10:20:15 PM PDT, Douglas A. Walter wrote: Hi folks, and I hope we're not driving you away. Tonight's meeting was of the City's Broadband Advisory Task Force (BATF). The motion that passed (6-0-1 abstention) was (with 98% claim of accuracy): ?The BATF recommends that the City Council defer action on Staff?s proposed Astound contract and direct Staff to work with the BATF or a designated subcommittee thereof to, at a minimum: ?(1) Have the City Finance Director perform a detailed financial analysis of the proposed Astound contract; ?(2) Assess the potential impacts of the proposed Astound contract on the viability of and support for a City-owned broadband network that can serve all Davis residents and businesses;?? ?(3) Identify and comparatively assess alternatives, including an option whereby the City owns and controls all fiber capacity in City conduit and leases shares of capacity on an open-access basis to third-party ISPs and content providers;? ?The BATF also recommends that the City Council direct Staff to consult with the BATF and provide an opportunity for a BATF recommendation to City Council prior to bringing the proposed or a revised Astound contract or an alternative to City Council for approval.? This is pretty positive for keeping our vision alive. There were about a dozen people who spoke, and every one in their own way expressed support for keeping open the possibility of a municipal gigabit fiber network. Now, whether or not the Astound contract would detract from that vision was disputed a bit (although I think we also made a pretty good case there). But when the contract goes to the City Council for direction to staff, or for approval, it will have this motion attached to it, as well as one from the Utility Rate Advisory Commission (URAC) that also urges financial analysis. So, I feel we've made some progress and I personally appreciate everyone who submitted written comments (which will be part of the meeting record, we were told), and everyone who took the time to attend tonight. Thank you! 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