From ls at whitewavedigital.com Wed Aug 14 21:05:27 2019 From: ls at whitewavedigital.com (Larry Dieterich) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:05:27 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] Electrical grid as a broadband carrier Message-ID: <0681A269-820D-410F-9895-0AA0A086231D@whitewavedigital.com> Is anyone on the list aware of examples where the electrical grid infrastructure is used to carry broadband fiber? I ask because very recently Mexico announced that they will be providing Internet across the entire country in partnership with the electrical distribution network. I?m wondering about the opportunities for Davis gig for partnering with PG&E or SMUD or some other electrical utility to utilize their existing power infrastructure to deliver broadband via fiber. I?m wondering if there might be some benefit to these electric utilities to delivering high speed broadband to their customers. Larry Dieterich From szsherm at yahoo.com Wed Aug 14 22:25:06 2019 From: szsherm at yahoo.com (Shneor Sherman) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 05:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Davisgig] Electrical grid as a broadband carrier In-Reply-To: <0681A269-820D-410F-9895-0AA0A086231D@whitewavedigital.com> References: <0681A269-820D-410F-9895-0AA0A086231D@whitewavedigital.com> Message-ID: <1597129299.4013941.1565846706610@mail.yahoo.com> Chattanooga's locally owned (maybe municipal) electric utility did exactly that years ago, laying fiber along their grid. But PG&E? Shneor Sherman On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 9:05:35 PM PDT, Larry Dieterich wrote: Is anyone on the list aware of examples where the electrical grid infrastructure is used to carry broadband fiber? I ask because very recently Mexico announced that they will be providing Internet across the entire country in partnership with the electrical distribution network. I?m wondering about the opportunities for Davis gig for partnering with PG&E or SMUD or some other electrical utility to utilize their existing power infrastructure to deliver broadband via fiber. I?m wondering if there might be some benefit to these electric utilities to delivering high speed broadband to their customers. Larry Dieterich _______________________________________________ Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start Davisgig mailing list Davisgig at list.omsoft.com http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhframe at dcn.org Wed Aug 14 23:04:41 2019 From: jhframe at dcn.org (Jim Frame) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 23:04:41 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] Electrical grid as a broadband carrier In-Reply-To: <1597129299.4013941.1565846706610@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0681A269-820D-410F-9895-0AA0A086231D@whitewavedigital.com> <1597129299.4013941.1565846706610@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Valley Clean Energy is planning to investigate the purchase PG&E's local electric infrastructure in light of the potential PG&E bankruptcy. That opens some interesting possibilities. On 8/14/2019 10:25 PM, Shneor Sherman via Davisgig wrote: > Chattanooga's locally owned (maybe municipal) electric utility did > exactly that years ago, laying fiber along their grid. But PG&E? > > Shneor Sherman > > On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 9:05:35 PM PDT, Larry Dieterich > wrote: > > > > Is anyone on the list aware of examples where the electrical grid > infrastructure is used to carry broadband fiber? > > I ask because very recently Mexico announced that they will be providing > Internet across the entire country in partnership with the electrical > distribution network. > > I?m wondering about the opportunities for Davis gig for partnering with > PG&E or SMUD or some other electrical utility to utilize their existing > power infrastructure to deliver broadband via fiber. > > I?m wondering if there might be some benefit to these electric utilities > to delivering high speed broadband to their customers. > > Larry Dieterich > _______________________________________________ > > Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: > > http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start > > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > > _______________________________________________ > > Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: > > http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start > > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Frame jhframe at dcn.org 530.756.8584 Frame Surveying & Mapping 609 A Street Davis, CA 95616 -----------------------< Davis Community Network >------------------- From cosimo91 at gmail.com Thu Aug 15 09:11:09 2019 From: cosimo91 at gmail.com (Lorenzo Kristov) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 09:11:09 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] Electrical grid as a broadband carrier In-Reply-To: References: <0681A269-820D-410F-9895-0AA0A086231D@whitewavedigital.com> <1597129299.4013941.1565846706610@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12E5B957-EA48-4575-9134-08C15C567115@gmail.com> Chattanooga TN is a poster child for municipal broadband installed in conjunction with electric utility communication/control systems. They?ve been up and running for more than a decade with major benefits, including growth of high-tech businesses in the city. The effort was started by the electric utility in order to improve distribution reliability and performance, with city-wide high-speed internet a secondary benefit. There?s lots more info here: https://ilsr.org/search_gcse/?q=chattanooga Jim is correct that the path to municipal broadband would be lots easier if VCE takes over PG&E?s electric distribution system. I don?t know if there are examples of cities installing municipal fiber if they don?t already have municipal electric utility. Stop, be still, and listen. Because you?re drunk And we?re at the edge of the roof. - Rumi > On Aug 14, 2019, at 11:04 PM, Jim Frame wrote: > > Valley Clean Energy is planning to investigate the purchase PG&E's local electric infrastructure in light of the potential PG&E bankruptcy. That opens some interesting possibilities. > > On 8/14/2019 10:25 PM, Shneor Sherman via Davisgig wrote: >> Chattanooga's locally owned (maybe municipal) electric utility did exactly that years ago, laying fiber along their grid. But PG&E? >> Shneor Sherman >> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 9:05:35 PM PDT, Larry Dieterich wrote: >> Is anyone on the list aware of examples where the electrical grid infrastructure is used to carry broadband fiber? >> I ask because very recently Mexico announced that they will be providing Internet across the entire country in partnership with the electrical distribution network. >> I?m wondering about the opportunities for Davis gig for partnering with PG&E or SMUD or some other electrical utility to utilize their existing power infrastructure to deliver broadband via fiber. >> I?m wondering if there might be some benefit to these electric utilities to delivering high speed broadband to their customers. >> Larry Dieterich >> _______________________________________________ >> Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: >> http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >> _______________________________________________ >> Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: >> http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jim Frame jhframe at dcn.org 530.756.8584 > Frame Surveying & Mapping 609 A Street Davis, CA 95616 > -----------------------< Davis Community Network >------------------- > _______________________________________________ > > Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: > > http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start > > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig From jhframe at dcn.org Thu Aug 29 15:06:15 2019 From: jhframe at dcn.org (Jim Frame) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:06:15 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] Davis Community Building Workshop Survey Message-ID: Jon Li is working on a model of the Davis economy, and is collecting responses to a survey that he has designed. The last question asks for an essay response to this question: "Your vision of the future of Davis and your vision of your community: How Should Davis Evolve?" For those who care to respond, this is an opportunity to further disseminate the benefits of a municipal broadband network. The responses might reach an audience that doesn't have much awareness of the issue. See attached. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Frame jhframe at dcn.org 530.756.8584 Frame Surveying & Mapping 609 A Street Davis, CA 95616 -----------------------< Davis Community Network >------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Comcast, beware: New city-run broadband offers 1Gbps for $60 a month Comcast's lobby failed to stop launch of Fort Collins municipal broadband. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/comcast-beware-new-city-run-broadband-offers-1gbps-for-60-a-month/ -js -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cosimo91 at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 13:36:00 2019 From: cosimo91 at gmail.com (Lorenzo Kristov) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 13:36:00 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] Fwd: Comcast, beware: New city-run broadband offers 1Gbps for $60 a month In-Reply-To: <4a8cb527-d43a-f6a2-9018-a61a23ab8e55@omsoft.com> References: <77C71E5B-9458-49F0-B664-FE7C9B3B56A0@dcn.org> <4a8cb527-d43a-f6a2-9018-a61a23ab8e55@omsoft.com> Message-ID: Good article, and good example set by FC. ComCast spent > $800K to defeat the city referendum, but they lost. Worth reading the whole (brief) article. One edge FC had for this effort (compared to Davis) is that they have a municipal electric utility ? cities with muni electric can reap great benefits from the synergies from using the same fiber network for both city-wide broadband and electric distribution system monitoring and operation. On this point, note that Valley Clean Energy (which serves Davis, Woodland and Yolo County) is now exploring options to buy out PG&E?s electric distribution system through the PG&E bankruptcy proceedings. This could vastly improve the value proposition for municipal fiber. https://valleycleanenergy.org/news/vce-is-studying-the-purchase-of-pge-assets/ In addition, FC had significant cash surplus in 1970s they used to put their electric distribution wires under ground. I believe (though I?d have to fact-check this) that the underground electric system would already have the conduit space for laying fiber, so the cost to implement for FC would not entail laying new conduit. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/comcast-beware-new-city-run-broadband-offers-1gbps-for-60-a-month/ Stop, be still, and listen. Because you?re drunk And we?re at the edge of the roof. - Rumi > On Aug 30, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Robert Nickerson wrote: > > > Nice work Ft Collins! > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Comcast, beware: New city-run broadband offers 1Gbps for $60 a month > Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 13:34:53 -0700 > From: John Steggall > To: Robert Nickerson > > RAN, > > In case you missed this... > > Comcast, beware: New city-run broadband offers 1Gbps for $60 a month > Comcast's lobby failed to stop launch of Fort Collins municipal broadband. > https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/comcast-beware-new-city-run-broadband-offers-1gbps-for-60-a-month/ > > -js > _______________________________________________ > > Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts: > > http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start > > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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