[Davisgig] Emails to City Council
francesca paola
frapafi at gmail.com
Tue Dec 1 13:32:03 PST 2015
You'll likely want to keep emails brief. I've been in City offices the day
of council meetings, it's pretty hectic and I imagine same goes for Council
members.
Francesca
aka DavisGig lurker
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015, <davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com> wrote:
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> 1. Re: City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
> Article about El Macero (Shneor Sherman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:15:21 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Shneor Sherman <szsherm at yahoo.com>
> To: Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>, Gary Darling
> <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
> Released & Article about El Macero
> Message-ID:
> <1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> A delay is only worthwhile if the council directs city staff to work with
> DavisGig. Otherwise, it would most likely be wasted time. City staff are
> already committed to their proposal, and without direction will see no
> reason to change anything.
>
> Other options would be to email city council members now, to prepare them.
> The more emails, the better.
>
> Shneor Sherman
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 12/1/15, Gary Darling <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released
> & Article about El Macero
> To: "Robert Nickerson" <omrob at omsoft.com>
> Cc: davisgig at list.omsoft.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
>
> Robert et.
> al,?
> Asking for a delay was what I was
> going to suggest also. A task force is a normal governmental
> process for an issue like this. It is not the only way to
> get this done but I don?t think that we can arrive at
> another alternative that has support even within our small
> group in the time remaining.
>
> ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ??Gary
>
> On Dec 1,
> 2015, at 12:04 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> Thanks for your? comments on voting for a?
> bond Steve, I would say
> any regular election is great. So that adds more dates
> to a possible
> calendar aside from? 6/2016 or 6/2018.
>
> So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance
> that
> supersedes this State of California law I assume?
>
>
>
> http://qcode.us/codes/davis/
>
>
>
>
>
> Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been
> involved
> with, we have asked the City Staff to move this forward,
> and
> expressed the urgency of the need.
>
> The task force is great, I just am concerned with what
> it is being
> asked to do right now in this staff report document.
>
> ?
>
> Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach
> event,
> interview persons, that is rehashing what has happened
> over this
> year.
>
> I think this task force should be about municipal fiber
> optic for
> Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband connection types,
> and gather
> lots of subjective
>
> ?anecdotal comments about peoples broadband
> experiences.
>
>
>
> So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some
> time to work
> with Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and
> what it hopes
> to accomplish.
>
> Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments
> to the
> scope and work of the task force either before its voted
> on tonight,
> at
>
> ?public comment or asking it be postponed?
>
>
>
> I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill?
> post after that.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> RAN
>
>
>
> On 12/1/2015
> 10:12 AM, Douglas A.
> Walter wrote:
>
>
>
> In no way attacking City
> staff or Gary Darling, I think this
> advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of
> a gigabit
> municipal fiber network.
>
>
>
> I'm not sold on my
> "better alternative," but since the slow
> task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this
> instead:
> This
> proposal calls for a second timeline to be started
> in July,
> 2016 for policy revisions, public hearings,
> etc.?That's going
> to mean the City will have nothing in place for
> when the
> Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The
> City Council
> should instead direct staff to explore a revenue
> bond or
> utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit
> fiber to the
> home (and office and school, etc.).
>
>
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57
> AM, Gary Darling wrote:
>
>
>
>
> It?s the
> role of staff to offer alternatives to the
> council and I
> too have found them to be very professional.
> Given the
> many ways that this network might play out it
> is wise to
> have a citizen?s advisory body with
> technical expertise
> appointed and up to speed. The task force is a
> reasonable
> thing to form at this juncture - I think we
> should have
> asked for this body early on to avoid the
> timing problems
> that now face the city. If we ask to take the
> task force
> item off of the consent calendar we will need
> to decide
> what we would ask for instead and have broad
> agreement
> between us on the new strategy. If someone has
> an
> alternative suggest it now, and let?s
> discuss. Otherwise
> we should just let the task force go forward
> as a consent
> item and do what we can to assure that the
> group serves
> the public good.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ??Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 1,
> 2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve
> McMahon <steve at dcn.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> The composition of the
> task force will also be very
> important, and we
> should keep an eye on the selection
> process.
>
>
>
> In
> particular, we'll want to make
> sure that nobody is appointed who
> has a direct
> or indirect financial connection
> to the cable
> industry or works in any position
> funded via
> cable franchise funds.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at
> 2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org>
> wrote:
>
> I agree
> with
> this general assessment. I have
> alway been
> taken aback by
>
> how conservative the city staff
> is. It makes
> for a weird contrast with
>
> the city polity. They are,
> nevertheless,
> extremely professional.
>
>
>
> It's critical to have
> support of the
> Council, preferably
> unanimously.
>
> If there are any council members
> opposed, we
> need to figure out why,
>
> and what to do about it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Russell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09
> +0000,
> Shneor Sherman via Davisgig
> wrote:
>
> > Once again, I have to
> say that if
> individual city council
> members are
>
> > not on board, nothing
> will
> happen.If anyone is
> acquainted with any
>
> > city council member,
> please have a
> conversation with them about
> this.
>
> > We have made a pretty
> good rough
> cost estimate of $30
> million. We
>
> > don't necessarily
> need a bond, as a
> utility tax will do just as
> well.
>
> > The franchise, as far
> as I
> understand, applies just to
> the city and
>
> > school district.
> Pulling the item
> off the consent
> calendar? is
>
> > definitely the best way
> to go. City
> staff might be pro
> comcast
>
> > (status quo), if they
> have any
> position at all. That's
> why educated
>
> > city council direction
> is vital.
>
> >
>
> > Shneor Sherman
>
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve
> McMahon
> <steve at dcn.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >? Subject: Re:
> [Davisgig] City of
> Davis Staff Report on
> Broadband
>
> > Released & Article
> about El
> Macero
>
> >? To: "Robert
> Nickerson @ Omsoft"
> <omrob at omsoft.com>
>
> >? Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
> <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>
> >? Date: Monday,
> November 30, 2015,
> 9:56 PM
>
> >
>
> >? I think
>
> >? the possibility
> of a Spring 2016
> measure was ruled out the
>
> >? moment that we
> knew we would have
> other financial matters
> on
>
> >? the ballot.
> Nobody wants multiple
> tax measures before the
>
> >? voters at the
> same time. The risk
> of everything failing is
>
> >? too high.
>
> >? I see this as
> a
>
> >? reminder that the
> interests of the
> institutional city and
>
> >? the staff are not
> identical with
> ours. We need to make
> sure
>
> >? that the creation
> of a task force
> does not eliminate or
> even
>
> >? reduce activist
> efforts. There
> needs to be some pressure
>
> >? from the outside.
> This will help
> keep a task force that
> may
>
> >? well have some
> pro-cable or
> anti-tax representatives
>
> >? honest.
>
> >? Whether the
>
> >? item gets pulled
> from consent or
> not, I don't think it
>
> >? would hurt to
> have some speakers
> pushing for an aggressive
>
> >? timetable and a
> high priority.
>
> >? On Mon, Nov 30,
> 2015 at
>
> >? 9:24 PM, Robert
> Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
>
> >? wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> Hi
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> Yeah so anyone else please
> give it a neutral read,
> is
>
> >? our
>
> >? ? ?
> characterization misplaced, in
> regards to this report
>
> >? ?? Don't
> want
>
> >? ? ? to
> mess up our graduation to
> task force status,
>
> >? but...
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> Could be we have to queue up
> in the public comment
>
> >? tomorrow and
> ask
>
> >? ? ? to
> be removed from consent.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> I've emailed the city staff
> about the document and
>
> >? its priorities
> to
>
> >? ? ? see
> if I can get more
> understanding and clarity
>
> >? verbally.
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> I'll post results tomorrow.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> Thanks
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> RAN
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ? On
> 11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas
> A.
>
> >? ? ?
> ? Walter wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? Hi. It seems clear to me
> that we should
>
> >? not let the
> current
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? Council accept the staff
> recommendation. I would
>
> >? argue that in
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? 2018, when the Comcast
> franchise agreement
> expires,
>
> >? the
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? City+Schools will feel
> desperate to assure that
>
> >? their pipes to
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? the Internet don't get cut
> off (or busted back
>
> >? to modem
> speeds),
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? and that will help
> Comcast's negotiating
>
> >? position on
> franchise
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? renewal. I haven't taken
> the time to read the
>
> >? report, but
> does
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? it not sound like this is
> a very important deciding
>
> >? point?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? I'd say NO to the timeline,
> and no to the
>
> >? Task Force as
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? proposed.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53
> PM, Robert
>
> >? Nickerson
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ?Hi
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? I can only agree on
> that, now that I have
> read
>
> >? this over.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? The last interactions
> I've had with the
> City
>
> >? Staff have
> been
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? negative
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? on having a June 2016
> vote because of the
>
> >? competing tax
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? measure,
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ?and they suggested
> 11/2016 as more
>
> >? appropriate.
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ked them to look
> into the reported
>
> >? requirement that
> an
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? election where there
> is a bond issue
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? needed to be a city
> council election, and
> have
>
> >? received no
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? definitive answer.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ?Looks like this task
> force is a step back from
>
> >? even getting
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? municipal Fiber optic,
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ?but more? focused on
> studying broadband in
>
> >? Davis,? and
> a
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? lot of extra effort.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? Anyone have any ideas
> on what to do with this ?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? The staff report and
> recommendation will be
>
> >? presented as a
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? consent item tomorrow
> at the city council.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? Thanks
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? P.S. How does this
> relate to the Sports
>
> >? Complex?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? On 11/30/2015 11:34
> AM, Shneor
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? Sherman wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? The timeline will
> not allow for a 2016
>
> >? referendum or any
> popular vote in
> 2016. This proposal calls
>
> >? for a second
> timeline to be
> started in July, 2016 for
> policy
>
> >? revisions, public
> hearings, etc.
> It's probably more
>
> >? realistic to look
> at 2018, when
> Comcast's franchise
>
> >? expires.
>
> >
>
> >? Shneor Sherman
>
> >?
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> >? On Mon, 11/30/15,
> Robert Nickerson
> <rob at omsoft.com>
>
> >? wrote:
>
> >
>
> >? ?Subject:
> [Davisgig] City of Davis
> Staff Report on Broadband
>
> >? Released &
> Article about El
> Macero
>
> >? ?To:
> "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
>
> >? <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>
> >? ?Date:
> Monday, November 30, 2015,
> 11:08 AM
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ?Hi All
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ?1) Thanks to all your
> efforts, we have a council
> item
>
> >? on
>
> >? ?the
> consent
>
> >? ? ?
> ?calendar for Tues Dec 1
> meeting to recommend
> Davis
>
> >? adopt
>
> >? ?the Yolo
>
> >? ? ?
> ?Broadband Plan and make a
> Task Force to help the
> city
>
> >? ?decide what
> is
>
> >? ? ?
> ?best to do for Davis for
> fiber.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ?A copy of the staff report is
> here:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ?http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
>
> >
>
> tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ?Its a rather large document
> because it has the Yolo
>
> >? ?Broadband
> Plan
>
> >? ? ?
> ?attached to it. The details
> about the Task force are
> in
>
> >? ?the
> first
>
> >? ? ?
> ?pages.? I don't think this
> would have materialized
>
> >? ?at all at
> the
>
> >? ? ?
> ?City level without everyone
> being a force, and asking
>
> >? ?for and
>
> >? ? ?
> ?delivering on meetings, and
> Public Outreach.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ?2) An article about community
> businesses funding an
>
> >? ?Upgrade for
> El
>
> >? ? ?
> ?Macero -
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ?
> http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
>
> >
> s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ?Does anyone have any insight
> on whether this is really
>
> >? a
>
> >? ?Fiber
>
> >? ? ?
> ?deployment or just paying a
> deposit to fund a build
> out
>
> >? ?by
> Comcast?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ?Thanks
>
> >
>
> >? ? ?
> ?--
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> >
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> >? ? ?
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