From szsherm at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  1 00:09:31 2015
From: szsherm at yahoo.com (Shneor Sherman)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 08:09:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
 Article about El Macero
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Once again, I have to say that if individual city council members are not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone is acquainted with any city council member, please have a conversation with them about this. We have made a pretty good rough cost estimate of $30 million. We don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility tax will do just as well. The franchise, as far as I understand, applies just to the city and school district. Pulling the item off the consent calendar  is definitely the best way to go. City staff might be pro comcast (status quo), if they have any position at all. That's why educated city council direction is vital. 

Shneor Sherman
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released & Article about El Macero
 To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com>
 Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56 PM
 
 I think
 the possibility of a Spring 2016 measure was ruled out the
 moment that we knew we would have other financial matters on
 the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax measures before the
 voters at the same time. The risk of everything failing is
 too high.
 I see this as a
 reminder that the interests of the institutional city and
 the staff are not identical with ours. We need to make sure
 that the creation of a task force does not eliminate or even
 reduce activist efforts. There needs to be some pressure
 from the outside. This will help keep a task force that may
 well have some pro-cable or anti-tax representatives
 honest.
 Whether the
 item gets pulled from consent or not, I don't think it
 would hurt to have some speakers pushing for an aggressive
 timetable and a high priority.
 On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
 9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
 wrote:
 
   
     
   
   
     Hi 
 
     
 
     Yeah so anyone else please give it a neutral read, is
 our
     characterization misplaced, in regards to this report
 ?? Don't want
     to mess up our graduation to task force status,
 but...
 
     
 
     Could be we have to queue up in the public comment?
 tomorrow and ask
     to be removed from consent. 
 
     
 
     I've emailed the city staff about the document and
 its priorities to
     see if I can get more understanding and clarity
 verbally. 
 
     I'll post results tomorrow. 
 
     
 
     Thanks
 
     RAN
 
     
 
     
 
     On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas A.
       Walter wrote:
 
     
     
       Hi. It seems clear to me that we should
 not let the current
         Council accept the staff recommendation. I would
 argue that in
         2018, when the Comcast franchise agreement expires,
 the
         City+Schools will feel desperate to assure that
 their pipes to
         the Internet don't get cut off (or busted back
 to modem speeds),
         and that will help Comcast's negotiating
 position on franchise
         renewal. I haven't taken the time to read the
 report, but does
         it not sound like this is a very important deciding
 point?
       
 
       
       I'd say NO to the timeline, and no to the
 Task Force as
         proposed.
       
 
       
         On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
 Nickerson wrote:
         
 
         
           
            Hi 
 
             
 
             I can only agree on that, now that I have read
 this over. 
 
             
 
             The last interactions I've had with the City
 Staff have been
             negative 
 
             on having a June 2016 vote because of the?
 competing tax
             measure,
 
             ?and they suggested 11/2016 as more
 appropriate. 
 
             ? ked them to look into the reported
 requirement that an
             election where there is a bond issue
 
             needed to be a city council election, and have
 received no
             definitive answer. 
 
             
 
             ?Looks like this task force is a step back from
 even getting
             municipal Fiber optic,
 
             ?but more? focused on studying broadband in
 Davis,? and a
             lot of extra effort.
 
             
 
             Anyone have any ideas on what to do with this ?
 
 
             
 
             The staff report and recommendation will be
 presented as a
             consent item tomorrow at the city council. 
 
             
 
             Thanks
 
             
 
             P.S. How does this relate to the Sports
 Complex?
 
             
 
             
 
             
 
             On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
               Sherman wrote:
 
             
             
               The timeline will not allow for a 2016
 referendum or any popular vote in 2016. This proposal calls
 for a second timeline to be started in July, 2016 for policy
 revisions, public hearings, etc. It's probably more
 realistic to look at 2018, when Comcast's franchise
 expires.
 
 Shneor Sherman
 --------------------------------------------
 On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
 Released & Article about El Macero
  To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
 <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
  Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 11:08 AM
  
  
    
  
      
    
    
      Hi All 
  
      
  
      1) Thanks to all your efforts, we have a council item
 on
  the consent
      calendar for Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend Davis
 adopt
  the Yolo
      Broadband Plan and make a Task Force to help the city
  decide what is
      best to do for Davis for fiber. 
  
      
  
      A copy of the staff report is here: 
  
      
  
      http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/CityCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
  
      
  
      Its a rather large document because it has the Yolo
  Broadband Plan
      attached to it. The details about the Task force are in
  the first
      pages.? I don't think this would have materialized
  at all at the
      City level without everyone being a force, and asking
  for and
      delivering on meetings, and Public Outreach. 
  
      
  
      2) An article about community businesses funding an
  Upgrade for El
      Macero - 
  
      
  
  http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhances-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
  
      
  
      Does anyone have any insight on whether this is really
 a
  Fiber
      deployment or just paying a deposit to fund a build out
  by Comcast?
      
  
      
  
      Thanks
  
      -- 
  
        Rob Nickerson 
  
        
  
        CEO
  
        Om Networks
  
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From steve at dcn.org  Tue Dec  1 08:44:03 2015
From: steve at dcn.org (Steve McMahon)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 08:44:03 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
 Article about El Macero
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The composition of the task force will also be very important, and we
should keep an eye on the selection process.

In particular, we'll want to make sure that nobody is appointed who has a
direct or indirect financial connection to the cable industry or works in
any position funded via cable franchise funds.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org> wrote:

> I agree with this general assessment. I have alway been taken aback by
> how conservative the city staff is. It makes for a weird contrast with
> the city polity. They are, nevertheless, extremely professional.
>
> It's critical to have support of the Council, preferably unanimously.
> If there are any council members opposed, we need to figure out why,
> and what to do about it.
>
>
> Russell
>
> On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000, Shneor Sherman via Davisgig wrote:
> > Once again, I have to say that if individual city council members are
> > not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone is acquainted with any
> > city council member, please have a conversation with them about this.
> > We have made a pretty good rough cost estimate of $30 million. We
> > don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility tax will do just as well.
> > The franchise, as far as I understand, applies just to the city and
> > school district. Pulling the item off the consent calendar  is
> > definitely the best way to go. City staff might be pro comcast
> > (status quo), if they have any position at all. That's why educated
> > city council direction is vital.
> >
> > Shneor Sherman
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org> wrote:
> >
> >  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
> > Released & Article about El Macero
> >  To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com>
> >  Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> >  Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56 PM
> >
> >  I think
> >  the possibility of a Spring 2016 measure was ruled out the
> >  moment that we knew we would have other financial matters on
> >  the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax measures before the
> >  voters at the same time. The risk of everything failing is
> >  too high.
> >  I see this as a
> >  reminder that the interests of the institutional city and
> >  the staff are not identical with ours. We need to make sure
> >  that the creation of a task force does not eliminate or even
> >  reduce activist efforts. There needs to be some pressure
> >  from the outside. This will help keep a task force that may
> >  well have some pro-cable or anti-tax representatives
> >  honest.
> >  Whether the
> >  item gets pulled from consent or not, I don't think it
> >  would hurt to have some speakers pushing for an aggressive
> >  timetable and a high priority.
> >  On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
> >  9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      Hi
> >
> >
> >
> >      Yeah so anyone else please give it a neutral read, is
> >  our
> >      characterization misplaced, in regards to this report
> >  ?  Don't want
> >      to mess up our graduation to task force status,
> >  but...
> >
> >
> >
> >      Could be we have to queue up in the public comment
> >  tomorrow and ask
> >      to be removed from consent.
> >
> >
> >
> >      I've emailed the city staff about the document and
> >  its priorities to
> >      see if I can get more understanding and clarity
> >  verbally.
> >
> >      I'll post results tomorrow.
> >
> >
> >
> >      Thanks
> >
> >      RAN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas A.
> >        Walter wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >        Hi. It seems clear to me that we should
> >  not let the current
> >          Council accept the staff recommendation. I would
> >  argue that in
> >          2018, when the Comcast franchise agreement expires,
> >  the
> >          City+Schools will feel desperate to assure that
> >  their pipes to
> >          the Internet don't get cut off (or busted back
> >  to modem speeds),
> >          and that will help Comcast's negotiating
> >  position on franchise
> >          renewal. I haven't taken the time to read the
> >  report, but does
> >          it not sound like this is a very important deciding
> >  point?
> >
> >
> >
> >        I'd say NO to the timeline, and no to the
> >  Task Force as
> >          proposed.
> >
> >
> >
> >          On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
> >  Nickerson wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >             Hi
> >
> >
> >
> >              I can only agree on that, now that I have read
> >  this over.
> >
> >
> >
> >              The last interactions I've had with the City
> >  Staff have been
> >              negative
> >
> >              on having a June 2016 vote because of the
> >  competing tax
> >              measure,
> >
> >               and they suggested 11/2016 as more
> >  appropriate.
> >
> >                ked them to look into the reported
> >  requirement that an
> >              election where there is a bond issue
> >
> >              needed to be a city council election, and have
> >  received no
> >              definitive answer.
> >
> >
> >
> >               Looks like this task force is a step back from
> >  even getting
> >              municipal Fiber optic,
> >
> >               but more  focused on studying broadband in
> >  Davis,  and a
> >              lot of extra effort.
> >
> >
> >
> >              Anyone have any ideas on what to do with this ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >              The staff report and recommendation will be
> >  presented as a
> >              consent item tomorrow at the city council.
> >
> >
> >
> >              Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >              P.S. How does this relate to the Sports
> >  Complex?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >              On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
> >                Sherman wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >                The timeline will not allow for a 2016
> >  referendum or any popular vote in 2016. This proposal calls
> >  for a second timeline to be started in July, 2016 for policy
> >  revisions, public hearings, etc. It's probably more
> >  realistic to look at 2018, when Comcast's franchise
> >  expires.
> >
> >  Shneor Sherman
> >  --------------------------------------------
> >  On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com>
> >  wrote:
> >
> >   Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
> >  Released & Article about El Macero
> >   To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
> >  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> >   Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 11:08 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       Hi All
> >
> >
> >
> >       1) Thanks to all your efforts, we have a council item
> >  on
> >   the consent
> >       calendar for Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend Davis
> >  adopt
> >   the Yolo
> >       Broadband Plan and make a Task Force to help the city
> >   decide what is
> >       best to do for Davis for fiber.
> >
> >
> >
> >       A copy of the staff report is here:
> >
> >
> >
> >       http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
> > tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> >       Its a rather large document because it has the Yolo
> >   Broadband Plan
> >       attached to it. The details about the Task force are in
> >   the first
> >       pages.  I don't think this would have materialized
> >   at all at the
> >       City level without everyone being a force, and asking
> >   for and
> >       delivering on meetings, and Public Outreach.
> >
> >
> >
> >       2) An article about community businesses funding an
> >   Upgrade for El
> >       Macero -
> >
> >
> >
> >   http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
> > s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
> >
> >
> >
> >       Does anyone have any insight on whether this is really
> >  a
> >   Fiber
> >       deployment or just paying a deposit to fund a build out
> >   by Comcast?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       Thanks
> >
> >       --
> >
> >         Rob Nickerson
> >
> >
> >
> >         CEO
> >
> >         Om Networks
> >
> >         UCD Class of 96
> >
> >         C: 530-848-3865
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >                CEO
> >
> >                Om Networks
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
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<http://muninetworks.org/content/falmouth-saves-cape-cod-i-net>

Out on Cape Cod, municipal networks are taking hold. Public buildings
throughout the town of Falmouth, Massachusetts <http://www.falmouthmass.us/>,
experience great connectivity and the town *saves $160,000 each year *with
its own Institutional network <http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term15>
 (I-Net).

*Public Savings*

The Falmouth Area Network, maintained by CapeNet, connects 17 buildings
throughout the town for a total of $3,000
<http://www.capenews.net/falmouth/news/gus-canty-center-could-hook-up-to-town-s-fiber/article_33fa1c0b-e2e5-5344-a012-da522e529de4.html>
each
month ($2,500 from the school; $500 from the town). Were the town to go
through a private provider, it would cost $1,000 for each building
<http://www.capenews.net/falmouth/news/gus-canty-center-could-hook-up-to-town-s-fiber/article_33fa1c0b-e2e5-5344-a012-da522e529de4.html>
every
month or $17,000 per month. By saving $14,000 each month, Falmouth's annual
savings add up to approximately $160,000 a year. That?s a lot of money to
be reinvested in the community of 31,000.

... Read More About These Tremendous Public Savings Here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/falmouth-saves-cape-cod-i-net>

Colorado's Unique Environment of Local Collaboration - Community Broadband
Bits Episode 178
<http://muninetworks.org/content/colorados-unique-environment-local-collaboration-community-broadband-bits-episode-178>
Tue, November 24, 2015 | Posted by christopher
<http://muninetworks.org/users/christopher>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/colorados-unique-environment-local-collaboration-community-broadband-bits-episode-178>

A few weeks back, Colorado voters overwhelmingly chose local authority
<http://muninetworks.org/content/modest-investment-yields-results-steamboat-springs-community-broadband-bits-episode-163>
and
community networks over the status quo Internet connections. Approximately
50 local governments had referenda to reclaim authority lost under the
anti-competition state law originally called SB 152 that CenturyLink's
predecessor Qwest pushed into law in 2005.

This week, Virgil Turner and Audrey Danner join us to discuss what is
happening in Colorado. Virgil is the Director of Innovation and Citizen
Engagement in Montrose and last joined us for episode 95
<http://muninetworks.org/content/montrose-moves-toward-muni-network-community-broadband-bits-podcast-95>.
Audrey Danner is the Executive Director of Craig Moffat Economic
Development and co-chair of the Mountain Connect Broadband Development
Conference <http://mountainconnect.org/>. We previously discussed Mountain
Connect in episode 105
<http://muninetworks.org/content/reflections-mountain-connect-rural-broadband-conference-community-broadband-bits-podcast-105>
 and episode 137
<http://muninetworks.org/content/rural-colorado-internet-access-and-mountain-connect-community-broadband-bits-episode-137>
.

In our discussion, we cover a little bit of history around SB 152 and what
happened with all the votes this past election day. We talk about some
specific local plans of a few of the communities and why Colorado seems to
have so many communities that are developing their own plans to improve
Internet access for residents, anchor institutions, and local businesses.

... Listen to the Show Here
<http://muninetworks.org/content/colorados-unique-environment-local-collaboration-community-broadband-bits-episode-178>
... Read the Transcript Here
<http://www.muninetworks.org/content/transcript-community-broadband-bits-episode-178>
...

Social Media Muni Hotlists Now Available
<http://muninetworks.org/content/social-media-muni-hotlists-now-available>
Tue, November 24, 2015 | Posted by hannah
<http://muninetworks.org/users/hannah>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/social-media-muni-hotlists-now-available>

Want instant updates on the world of community networks, broadband and
Internet policy, or fiber-to-the-home? We have compiled several Twitter
lists and a list of *community networks' Facebook pages*
<https://www.facebook.com/lists/1089973547679409>. Use these as resources
to connect with advocates, to find new groups, or just to learn about
community networks.

Subscribe to the lists of your choice on the left of each Twitter list. If
you follow people, groups, or entities that you think we should add, let us
know:


*Community Networks
<https://twitter.com/MuniNetworks/lists/community-networks>*Check out this
list if you want to get the low-down from local publicly-owned networks
that tweet.

... See our our Lists here! Muni Network Twitter organized! ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/social-media-muni-hotlists-now-available>

Small City Fights Comcast Over Institutional Network
<http://muninetworks.org/content/small-city-fights-comcast-over-institutional-network>
Wed, November 25, 2015 | Posted by hannah
<http://muninetworks.org/users/hannah>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/small-city-fights-comcast-over-institutional-network>

Reports have recently surfaced from The Detroit News
<http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2015/11/14/west-bloomfield-comcast-lawsuit-fiber-optic-network/75815060/>
and Patch.com
<http://patch.com/michigan/westbloomfield/township-comcast-spar-over-fiber-network>
that
a town in Michigan is now fighting Comcast over who owns their network.

*The Backstory*

Fifteen years ago, West Bloomfield, Michigan, population about 65,000,
wanted an Institutional Network
<http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term15> (I-Net)
to connect all the important services, like emergency response, police,
fire, and water, with a dedicated high-speed network. The town entered into
a franchise <http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term12> agreement in order
to share the construction costs with the incumbent cable company, which at
the time was MediaOne. According to the township, MediaOne offered to
contribute $400,000 to the cost of construction as part of that agreement.

... Negotiating with Comcast is a Dangerous Game ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/small-city-fights-comcast-over-institutional-network>

NC Partners: Fiber Will Give Region A Green Light to A Gig
<http://muninetworks.org/content/nc-partners-fiber-will-give-region-green-light-gig>
Sat, November 28, 2015 | Posted by ternste
<http://muninetworks.org/users/ternste>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/nc-partners-fiber-will-give-region-green-light-gig>

The Tri-Gig High Speed Broadband Initiative
<http://www.ptrc.org/index.aspx?page=611>, an effort by communities and
universities within Greensboro's Piedmont Triad Region, recently announced
plans to release an RFP in an effort to improve regional connectivity.

According to the News & Record
<http://www.greensboro.com/business/regional-governments-looking-for-way-to-light-up-the-fiber/article_50959775-15a7-5e6c-bc6d-3e183cb73ae9.html>,
the partners are searching for a partner equipped to develop, operate, and
provide Internet services over a new open access
<http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term625>network. Hemant Desai, Chief
Information Officer for Guilford County, hopes the project will spur
innovative ideas from the private sector:

The goal of this project is not to restrict but enhance the deployment. Let
them come back to us and say, ?Here?s what we?ll provide you if you provide
this to us.?

The project is a joint effort of the City of Greensboro, Guilford County,
the City of High Point, the City of Burlington, North Carolina A&T State
University, the University of North Carolina-Greensboro, and the Piedmont
Triad Regional Council. Collectively, these entities have a population of
nearly 700,000 people.

... More on Transit Giving Fiber a Green Light Here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/nc-partners-fiber-will-give-region-green-light-gig>

Introducing Scott Carlson
<http://muninetworks.org/content/introducing-scott-carlson>
Tue, November 24, 2015 | Posted by lgonzalez
<http://muninetworks.org/users/lgonzalez>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/introducing-scott-carlson>

Readers will soon be noticing a new author in the byline. Scott Carlson has
joined the Institute for Local Self-Reliance as part of the Community
Broadband Networks team and is already contributing stories.

Scott, our newest Researcher, has spent most of his career as a journalist
working for among others, the St. Paul Pioneer Press as an award-winning
business reporter and local editor for AOL?s Patch.com.

An honors graduate in journalism from the University of Minnesota and
holder of a juris doctor?s degree from William Mitchell College of Law,
Scott has a deep interest in public affairs and current events. He and his
wife Betsy have two adult children. Scott?s hobbies include playing
competitive amateur tennis, singing in church choir, and going to the
movies. He believes a successful life is achieved by a daily commitment to
optimism.

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From gary_darling at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec  1 09:57:19 2015
From: gary_darling at sbcglobal.net (Gary Darling)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 09:57:19 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
	Article about El Macero
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It?s the role of staff to offer alternatives to the council and I too have found them to be very professional. Given the many ways that this network might play out it is wise to have a citizen?s advisory body with technical expertise appointed and up to speed. The task force is a reasonable thing to form at this juncture - I think we should have asked for this body early on to avoid the timing problems that now face the city. If we ask to take the task force item off of the consent calendar we will need to decide what we would ask for instead and have broad agreement between us on the new strategy. If someone has an alternative suggest it now, and let?s discuss. Otherwise we should just let the task force go forward as a consent item and do what we can to assure that the group serves the public good.


                                                                               ?Gary


> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org> wrote:
> 
> The composition of the task force will also be very important, and we should keep an eye on the selection process.
> 
> In particular, we'll want to make sure that nobody is appointed who has a direct or indirect financial connection to the cable industry or works in any position funded via cable franchise funds.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org <mailto:russell at vort.org>> wrote:
> I agree with this general assessment. I have alway been taken aback by
> how conservative the city staff is. It makes for a weird contrast with
> the city polity. They are, nevertheless, extremely professional.
> 
> It's critical to have support of the Council, preferably unanimously.
> If there are any council members opposed, we need to figure out why,
> and what to do about it.
> 
> 
> Russell
> 
> On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000, Shneor Sherman via Davisgig wrote:
> > Once again, I have to say that if individual city council members are
> > not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone is acquainted with any
> > city council member, please have a conversation with them about this.
> > We have made a pretty good rough cost estimate of $30 million. We
> > don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility tax will do just as well.
> > The franchise, as far as I understand, applies just to the city and
> > school district. Pulling the item off the consent calendar  is
> > definitely the best way to go. City staff might be pro comcast
> > (status quo), if they have any position at all. That's why educated
> > city council direction is vital.
> >
> > Shneor Sherman
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org <mailto:steve at dcn.org>> wrote:
> >
> >  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
> > Released & Article about El Macero
> >  To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
> >  Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
> >  Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56 PM
> >
> >  I think
> >  the possibility of a Spring 2016 measure was ruled out the
> >  moment that we knew we would have other financial matters on
> >  the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax measures before the
> >  voters at the same time. The risk of everything failing is
> >  too high.
> >  I see this as a
> >  reminder that the interests of the institutional city and
> >  the staff are not identical with ours. We need to make sure
> >  that the creation of a task force does not eliminate or even
> >  reduce activist efforts. There needs to be some pressure
> >  from the outside. This will help keep a task force that may
> >  well have some pro-cable or anti-tax representatives
> >  honest.
> >  Whether the
> >  item gets pulled from consent or not, I don't think it
> >  would hurt to have some speakers pushing for an aggressive
> >  timetable and a high priority.
> >  On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
> >  9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      Hi
> >
> >
> >
> >      Yeah so anyone else please give it a neutral read, is
> >  our
> >      characterization misplaced, in regards to this report
> >  ?  Don't want
> >      to mess up our graduation to task force status,
> >  but...
> >
> >
> >
> >      Could be we have to queue up in the public comment
> >  tomorrow and ask
> >      to be removed from consent.
> >
> >
> >
> >      I've emailed the city staff about the document and
> >  its priorities to
> >      see if I can get more understanding and clarity
> >  verbally.
> >
> >      I'll post results tomorrow.
> >
> >
> >
> >      Thanks
> >
> >      RAN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas A.
> >        Walter wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >        Hi. It seems clear to me that we should
> >  not let the current
> >          Council accept the staff recommendation. I would
> >  argue that in
> >          2018, when the Comcast franchise agreement expires,
> >  the
> >          City+Schools will feel desperate to assure that
> >  their pipes to
> >          the Internet don't get cut off (or busted back
> >  to modem speeds),
> >          and that will help Comcast's negotiating
> >  position on franchise
> >          renewal. I haven't taken the time to read the
> >  report, but does
> >          it not sound like this is a very important deciding
> >  point?
> >
> >
> >
> >        I'd say NO to the timeline, and no to the
> >  Task Force as
> >          proposed.
> >
> >
> >
> >          On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
> >  Nickerson wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >             Hi
> >
> >
> >
> >              I can only agree on that, now that I have read
> >  this over.
> >
> >
> >
> >              The last interactions I've had with the City
> >  Staff have been
> >              negative
> >
> >              on having a June 2016 vote because of the
> >  competing tax
> >              measure,
> >
> >               and they suggested 11/2016 as more
> >  appropriate.
> >
> >                ked them to look into the reported
> >  requirement that an
> >              election where there is a bond issue
> >
> >              needed to be a city council election, and have
> >  received no
> >              definitive answer.
> >
> >
> >
> >               Looks like this task force is a step back from
> >  even getting
> >              municipal Fiber optic,
> >
> >               but more  focused on studying broadband in
> >  Davis,  and a
> >              lot of extra effort.
> >
> >
> >
> >              Anyone have any ideas on what to do with this ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >              The staff report and recommendation will be
> >  presented as a
> >              consent item tomorrow at the city council.
> >
> >
> >
> >              Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >              P.S. How does this relate to the Sports
> >  Complex?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >              On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
> >                Sherman wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >                The timeline will not allow for a 2016
> >  referendum or any popular vote in 2016. This proposal calls
> >  for a second timeline to be started in July, 2016 for policy
> >  revisions, public hearings, etc. It's probably more
> >  realistic to look at 2018, when Comcast's franchise
> >  expires.
> >
> >  Shneor Sherman
> >  --------------------------------------------
> >  On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com <mailto:rob at omsoft.com>>
> >  wrote:
> >
> >   Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
> >  Released & Article about El Macero
> >   To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
> >  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
> >   Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 11:08 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       Hi All
> >
> >
> >
> >       1) Thanks to all your efforts, we have a council item
> >  on
> >   the consent
> >       calendar for Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend Davis
> >  adopt
> >   the Yolo
> >       Broadband Plan and make a Task Force to help the city
> >   decide what is
> >       best to do for Davis for fiber.
> >
> >
> >
> >       A copy of the staff report is here:
> >
> >
> >
> >       http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci <http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci>
> > tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> >       Its a rather large document because it has the Yolo
> >   Broadband Plan
> >       attached to it. The details about the Task force are in
> >   the first
> >       pages.  I don't think this would have materialized
> >   at all at the
> >       City level without everyone being a force, and asking
> >   for and
> >       delivering on meetings, and Public Outreach.
> >
> >
> >
> >       2) An article about community businesses funding an
> >   Upgrade for El
> >       Macero -
> >
> >
> >
> >   http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance <http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance>
> > s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
> >
> >
> >
> >       Does anyone have any insight on whether this is really
> >  a
> >   Fiber
> >       deployment or just paying a deposit to fund a build out
> >   by Comcast?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       Thanks
> >
> >       --
> >
> >         Rob Nickerson
> >
> >
> >
> >         CEO
> >
> >         Om Networks
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >   http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start <http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start>
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> >
> >
> >
> >                CEO
> >
> >                Om Networks
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >                =-=-=
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> >                dawalter at dcn.org <mailto:dawalter at dcn.org>
> >                Wag more (bark less)
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >        CEO
> >
> >        Om Networks
> >
> >        UCD Class of 96
> >
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> >
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From dawalter at dcn.org  Tue Dec  1 10:12:55 2015
From: dawalter at dcn.org (Douglas A. Walter)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 10:12:55 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
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In no way attacking City staff or Gary Darling, I think this advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of a gigabit municipal fiber network.

I'm not sold on my "better alternative," but since the slow task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this instead:
This proposal calls for a second timeline to be started in July, 2016 for policy revisions, public hearings, etc. That's going to mean the City will have nothing in place for when the Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The City Council should instead direct staff to explore a revenue bond or utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit fiber to the home (and office and school, etc.).

Thoughts?

On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Gary Darling wrote:

> It?s the role of staff to offer alternatives to the council and I too have found them to be very professional. Given the many ways that this network might play out it is wise to have a citizen?s advisory body with technical expertise appointed and up to speed. The task force is a reasonable thing to form at this juncture - I think we should have asked for this body early on to avoid the timing problems that now face the city. If we ask to take the task force item off of the consent calendar we will need to decide what we would ask for instead and have broad agreement between us on the new strategy. If someone has an alternative suggest it now, and let?s discuss. Otherwise we should just let the task force go forward as a consent item and do what we can to assure that the group serves the public good.
> 
> 
>                                                                                ?Gary
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The composition of the task force will also be very important, and we should keep an eye on the selection process.
>> 
>> In particular, we'll want to make sure that nobody is appointed who has a direct or indirect financial connection to the cable industry or works in any position funded via cable franchise funds.
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org> wrote:
>> I agree with this general assessment. I have alway been taken aback by
>> how conservative the city staff is. It makes for a weird contrast with
>> the city polity. They are, nevertheless, extremely professional.
>> 
>> It's critical to have support of the Council, preferably unanimously.
>> If there are any council members opposed, we need to figure out why,
>> and what to do about it.
>> 
>> 
>> Russell
>> 
>> On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000, Shneor Sherman via Davisgig wrote:
>> > Once again, I have to say that if individual city council members are
>> > not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone is acquainted with any
>> > city council member, please have a conversation with them about this.
>> > We have made a pretty good rough cost estimate of $30 million. We
>> > don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility tax will do just as well.
>> > The franchise, as far as I understand, applies just to the city and
>> > school district. Pulling the item off the consent calendar  is
>> > definitely the best way to go. City staff might be pro comcast
>> > (status quo), if they have any position at all. That's why educated
>> > city council direction is vital.
>> >
>> > Shneor Sherman
>> > --------------------------------------------
>> > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>> > Released & Article about El Macero
>> >  To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com>
>> >  Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>> >  Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56 PM
>> >
>> >  I think
>> >  the possibility of a Spring 2016 measure was ruled out the
>> >  moment that we knew we would have other financial matters on
>> >  the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax measures before the
>> >  voters at the same time. The risk of everything failing is
>> >  too high.
>> >  I see this as a
>> >  reminder that the interests of the institutional city and
>> >  the staff are not identical with ours. We need to make sure
>> >  that the creation of a task force does not eliminate or even
>> >  reduce activist efforts. There needs to be some pressure
>> >  from the outside. This will help keep a task force that may
>> >  well have some pro-cable or anti-tax representatives
>> >  honest.
>> >  Whether the
>> >  item gets pulled from consent or not, I don't think it
>> >  would hurt to have some speakers pushing for an aggressive
>> >  timetable and a high priority.
>> >  On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
>> >  9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >      Hi
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >      Yeah so anyone else please give it a neutral read, is
>> >  our
>> >      characterization misplaced, in regards to this report
>> >  ?  Don't want
>> >      to mess up our graduation to task force status,
>> >  but...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >      Could be we have to queue up in the public comment
>> >  tomorrow and ask
>> >      to be removed from consent.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >      I've emailed the city staff about the document and
>> >  its priorities to
>> >      see if I can get more understanding and clarity
>> >  verbally.
>> >
>> >      I'll post results tomorrow.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >      Thanks
>> >
>> >      RAN
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >      On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas A.
>> >        Walter wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >        Hi. It seems clear to me that we should
>> >  not let the current
>> >          Council accept the staff recommendation. I would
>> >  argue that in
>> >          2018, when the Comcast franchise agreement expires,
>> >  the
>> >          City+Schools will feel desperate to assure that
>> >  their pipes to
>> >          the Internet don't get cut off (or busted back
>> >  to modem speeds),
>> >          and that will help Comcast's negotiating
>> >  position on franchise
>> >          renewal. I haven't taken the time to read the
>> >  report, but does
>> >          it not sound like this is a very important deciding
>> >  point?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >        I'd say NO to the timeline, and no to the
>> >  Task Force as
>> >          proposed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >          On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
>> >  Nickerson wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >             Hi
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >              I can only agree on that, now that I have read
>> >  this over.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >              The last interactions I've had with the City
>> >  Staff have been
>> >              negative
>> >
>> >              on having a June 2016 vote because of the
>> >  competing tax
>> >              measure,
>> >
>> >               and they suggested 11/2016 as more
>> >  appropriate.
>> >
>> >                ked them to look into the reported
>> >  requirement that an
>> >              election where there is a bond issue
>> >
>> >              needed to be a city council election, and have
>> >  received no
>> >              definitive answer.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >               Looks like this task force is a step back from
>> >  even getting
>> >              municipal Fiber optic,
>> >
>> >               but more  focused on studying broadband in
>> >  Davis,  and a
>> >              lot of extra effort.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >              Anyone have any ideas on what to do with this ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >              The staff report and recommendation will be
>> >  presented as a
>> >              consent item tomorrow at the city council.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >              Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >              P.S. How does this relate to the Sports
>> >  Complex?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >              On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
>> >                Sherman wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >                The timeline will not allow for a 2016
>> >  referendum or any popular vote in 2016. This proposal calls
>> >  for a second timeline to be started in July, 2016 for policy
>> >  revisions, public hearings, etc. It's probably more
>> >  realistic to look at 2018, when Comcast's franchise
>> >  expires.
>> >
>> >  Shneor Sherman
>> >  --------------------------------------------
>> >  On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com>
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >   Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>> >  Released & Article about El Macero
>> >   To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
>> >  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>> >   Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 11:08 AM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >       Hi All
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >       1) Thanks to all your efforts, we have a council item
>> >  on
>> >   the consent
>> >       calendar for Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend Davis
>> >  adopt
>> >   the Yolo
>> >       Broadband Plan and make a Task Force to help the city
>> >   decide what is
>> >       best to do for Davis for fiber.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >       A copy of the staff report is here:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >       http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
>> > tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >       Its a rather large document because it has the Yolo
>> >   Broadband Plan
>> >       attached to it. The details about the Task force are in
>> >   the first
>> >       pages.  I don't think this would have materialized
>> >   at all at the
>> >       City level without everyone being a force, and asking
>> >   for and
>> >       delivering on meetings, and Public Outreach.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >       2) An article about community businesses funding an
>> >   Upgrade for El
>> >       Macero -
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
>> > s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >       Does anyone have any insight on whether this is really
>> >  a
>> >   Fiber
>> >       deployment or just paying a deposit to fund a build out
>> >   by Comcast?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >       Thanks
>> >
>> >       --
>> >
>> >         Rob Nickerson
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >         CEO
>> >
>> >         Om Networks
>> >
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>> >
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From dawalter at dcn.org  Tue Dec  1 10:25:13 2015
From: dawalter at dcn.org (Douglas A. Walter)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 10:25:13 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
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Apologies: this is overly dramatic. However, you can tell where I'm coming from, I trust, and understand some of the urgency I feel to change the recommendation for the task force to take things slowly and avoid precipitous actions.

On Dec 1, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Douglas A. Walter wrote:

> ...since the slow task force is a slow death...

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From steve at dcn.org  Tue Dec  1 11:01:58 2015
From: steve at dcn.org (Steve McMahon)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 11:01:58 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
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The LAO has a nice write up on the various restrictions on local tax
measures:
http://www.lao.ca.gov/reports/2014/finance/local-taxes/voter-approval-032014.aspx

The "taxes must be decided at a regularly scheduled local election"
provisions appear to apply to two kinds of measures: 1) school bonds
approvable at a 55% level and 2) general taxes approvable by simple
majority.

So, if we go the bond route, this will be a 2/3 vote at any regularly
scheduled election.

A parcel tax looks to fall under the "general" taxes category and would
need to be voted at a regularly scheduled local election.

That's my reading. Your mileage may vary.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Douglas A. Walter <dawalter at dcn.org> wrote:

> Apologies: this is overly dramatic. However, you can tell where I'm coming
> from, I trust, and understand some of the urgency I feel to change the
> recommendation for the task force to take things slowly and avoid
> precipitous actions.
>
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Douglas A. Walter wrote:
>
> ...since the slow task force is a slow death...
>
>
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From steve at dcn.org  Tue Dec  1 11:10:43 2015
From: steve at dcn.org (Steve McMahon)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 11:10:43 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
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A little more. A tax dedicated to a single purpose is not a general tax and
would require 2/3, making it possible at any regular election.

This explains to me why some of the neighboring communities have had
simple-majority tax measures with associated "advisory" measures telling
the city to spend the money a particular way. So long as the "advisory" is
non-binding, the tax would be a general tax.

I think the whole point of city involvement is to do a bond. If we don't do
a bond, we'd need to use a private entity with private financing. Which
some cities have done via non-profits like DCN. No election needed. But
nearly certainly more expensive and loses the benefit of municipal
ownership.


On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org> wrote:

> The LAO has a nice write up on the various restrictions on local tax
> measures:
> http://www.lao.ca.gov/reports/2014/finance/local-taxes/voter-approval-032014.aspx
>
> The "taxes must be decided at a regularly scheduled local election"
> provisions appear to apply to two kinds of measures: 1) school bonds
> approvable at a 55% level and 2) general taxes approvable by simple
> majority.
>
> So, if we go the bond route, this will be a 2/3 vote at any regularly
> scheduled election.
>
> A parcel tax looks to fall under the "general" taxes category and would
> need to be voted at a regularly scheduled local election.
>
> That's my reading. Your mileage may vary.
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Douglas A. Walter <dawalter at dcn.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Apologies: this is overly dramatic. However, you can tell where I'm
>> coming from, I trust, and understand some of the urgency I feel to change
>> the recommendation for the task force to take things slowly and avoid
>> precipitous actions.
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Douglas A. Walter wrote:
>>
>> ...since the slow task force is a slow death...
>>
>>
>> =-=-=
>> Doug Walter, home edition
>> dawalter at dcn.org
>> Wag more (bark less)
>>
>>
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>>
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From szsherm at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  1 11:44:34 2015
From: szsherm at yahoo.com (Shneor Sherman)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:44:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
 Article about El Macero
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The goals of the task force as stated must be modified to reflect the goals of DavisGig. Also, since our goals reflect a community need, the composition of the task force should be changed so that a majority are community members. The Yolo County broadband goals fall far short of what we seek. 

Shneor Sherman
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 12/1/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released & Article about El Macero
 To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 8:44 AM
 
 The
 composition of the task force will also be very important,
 and we should keep an eye on the selection process.
 In particular, we'll want to
 make sure that nobody is appointed who has a direct or
 indirect financial connection to the cable industry or works
 in any position funded via cable franchise
 funds.
 On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:03
 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org>
 wrote:
 I agree
 with this general assessment. I have alway been taken aback
 by
 
 how conservative the city staff is. It makes for a weird
 contrast with
 
 the city polity. They are, nevertheless, extremely
 professional.
 
 
 
 It's critical to have support of the Council, preferably
 unanimously.
 
 If there are any council members opposed, we need to figure
 out why,
 
 and what to do about it.
 
 
 
 
 
 Russell
 
 
 
 On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000, Shneor Sherman via
 Davisgig wrote:
 
 > Once again, I have to say that if individual city
 council members are
 
 > not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone is
 acquainted with any
 
 > city council member, please have a conversation with
 them about this.
 
 > We have made a pretty good rough cost estimate of $30
 million. We
 
 > don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility tax
 will do just as well.
 
 > The franchise, as far as I understand, applies just to
 the city and
 
 > school district. Pulling the item off the consent
 calendar? is
 
 > definitely the best way to go. City staff might be pro
 comcast
 
 > (status quo), if they have any position at all.
 That's why educated
 
 > city council direction is vital.
 
 >
 
 > Shneor Sherman
 
 > --------------------------------------------
 
 > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org>
 wrote:
 
 >
 
 >? Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on
 Broadband
 
 > Released & Article about El Macero
 
 >? To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com>
 
 >? Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
 <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 
 >? Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56 PM
 
 >
 
 >? I think
 
 >? the possibility of a Spring 2016 measure was ruled
 out the
 
 >? moment that we knew we would have other financial
 matters on
 
 >? the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax measures before
 the
 
 >? voters at the same time. The risk of everything
 failing is
 
 >? too high.
 
 >? I see this as a
 
 >? reminder that the interests of the institutional city
 and
 
 >? the staff are not identical with ours. We need to
 make sure
 
 >? that the creation of a task force does not eliminate
 or even
 
 >? reduce activist efforts. There needs to be some
 pressure
 
 >? from the outside. This will help keep a task force
 that may
 
 >? well have some pro-cable or anti-tax
 representatives
 
 >? honest.
 
 >? Whether the
 
 >? item gets pulled from consent or not, I don't
 think it
 
 >? would hurt to have some speakers pushing for an
 aggressive
 
 >? timetable and a high priority.
 
 >? On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
 
 >? 9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
 
 >? wrote:
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? Hi
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? Yeah so anyone else please give it a neutral
 read, is
 
 >? our
 
 >? ? ? characterization misplaced, in regards to this
 report
 
 >? ?? Don't want
 
 >? ? ? to mess up our graduation to task force
 status,
 
 >? but...
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? Could be we have to queue up in the public
 comment
 
 >? tomorrow and ask
 
 >? ? ? to be removed from consent.
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? I've emailed the city staff about the
 document and
 
 >? its priorities to
 
 >? ? ? see if I can get more understanding and
 clarity
 
 >? verbally.
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? I'll post results tomorrow.
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? Thanks
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? RAN
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas A.
 
 >? ? ? ? Walter wrote:
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? Hi. It seems clear to me that we should
 
 >? not let the current
 
 >? ? ? ? ? Council accept the staff recommendation.
 I would
 
 >? argue that in
 
 >? ? ? ? ? 2018, when the Comcast franchise
 agreement expires,
 
 >? the
 
 >? ? ? ? ? City+Schools will feel desperate to
 assure that
 
 >? their pipes to
 
 >? ? ? ? ? the Internet don't get cut off (or
 busted back
 
 >? to modem speeds),
 
 >? ? ? ? ? and that will help Comcast's
 negotiating
 
 >? position on franchise
 
 >? ? ? ? ? renewal. I haven't taken the time to
 read the
 
 >? report, but does
 
 >? ? ? ? ? it not sound like this is a very
 important deciding
 
 >? point?
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? I'd say NO to the timeline, and no to
 the
 
 >? Task Force as
 
 >? ? ? ? ? proposed.
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
 
 >? Nickerson wrote:
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ?Hi
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? I can only agree on that, now that
 I have read
 
 >? this over.
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? The last interactions I've had
 with the City
 
 >? Staff have been
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? negative
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? on having a June 2016 vote because
 of the
 
 >? competing tax
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? measure,
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?and they suggested 11/2016 as
 more
 
 >? appropriate.
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ked them to look into the
 reported
 
 >? requirement that an
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? election where there is a bond
 issue
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? needed to be a city council
 election, and have
 
 >? received no
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? definitive answer.
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Looks like this task force is a
 step back from
 
 >? even getting
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? municipal Fiber optic,
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?but more? focused on studying
 broadband in
 
 >? Davis,? and a
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? lot of extra effort.
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? Anyone have any ideas on what to do
 with this ?
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? The staff report and recommendation
 will be
 
 >? presented as a
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? consent item tomorrow at the city
 council.
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? P.S. How does this relate to the
 Sports
 
 >? Complex?
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sherman wrote:
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? The timeline will not allow for
 a 2016
 
 >? referendum or any popular vote in 2016. This proposal
 calls
 
 >? for a second timeline to be started in July, 2016 for
 policy
 
 >? revisions, public hearings, etc. It's probably
 more
 
 >? realistic to look at 2018, when Comcast's
 franchise
 
 >? expires.
 
 >
 
 >? Shneor Sherman
 
 >? --------------------------------------------
 
 >? On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com>
 
 >? wrote:
 
 >
 
 >? ?Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on
 Broadband
 
 >? Released & Article about El Macero
 
 >? ?To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
 
 >? <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 
 >? ?Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 11:08 AM
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ?Hi All
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ?1) Thanks to all your efforts, we have a
 council item
 
 >? on
 
 >? ?the consent
 
 >? ? ? ?calendar for Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend
 Davis
 
 >? adopt
 
 >? ?the Yolo
 
 >? ? ? ?Broadband Plan and make a Task Force to help
 the city
 
 >? ?decide what is
 
 >? ? ? ?best to do for Davis for fiber.
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ?A copy of the staff report is here:
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ?http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
 
 >
 tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ?Its a rather large document because it has
 the Yolo
 
 >? ?Broadband Plan
 
 >? ? ? ?attached to it. The details about the Task
 force are in
 
 >? ?the first
 
 >? ? ? ?pages.? I don't think this would have
 materialized
 
 >? ?at all at the
 
 >? ? ? ?City level without everyone being a force,
 and asking
 
 >? ?for and
 
 >? ? ? ?delivering on meetings, and Public
 Outreach.
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ?2) An article about community businesses
 funding an
 
 >? ?Upgrade for El
 
 >? ? ? ?Macero -
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ?http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
 
 > s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ?Does anyone have any insight on whether this
 is really
 
 >? a
 
 >? ?Fiber
 
 >? ? ? ?deployment or just paying a deposit to fund a
 build out
 
 >? ?by Comcast?
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ?Thanks
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ?--
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ?Rob Nickerson
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ?CEO
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ?Om Networks
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ?UCD Class of 96
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ?C: 530-848-3865
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ?If we have helped you in a positive way,
 please give
 
 >? ?us a good
 
 >
 
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 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Rob Nickerson
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? CEO
 
 >
 
 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Om Networks
 
 >
 
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 >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Wag more (bark less)
 
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From omrob at omsoft.com  Tue Dec  1 12:04:39 2015
From: omrob at omsoft.com (Robert Nickerson)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 12:04:39 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
 Article about El Macero
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Hi

Thanks for your  comments on voting for a  bond Steve, I would say any 
regular election is great. So that adds more dates to a possible 
calendar aside from  6/2016 or 6/2018.
So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance that supersedes 
this State of California law I assume?

http://qcode.us/codes/davis/


Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been involved with, 
we have asked the City Staff to move this forward, and expressed the 
urgency of the need.
The task force is great, I just am concerned with what it is being asked 
to do right now in this staff report document.

Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach event, interview 
persons, that is rehashing what has happened over this year.
I think this task force should be about municipal fiber optic for Davis, 
and not lets evaluate broadband connection types, and gather lots of 
subjective
  anecdotal comments about peoples broadband experiences.

So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some time to work with 
Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and what it hopes to 
accomplish.
Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments to the scope 
and work of the task force either before its voted on tonight, at
  public comment or asking it be postponed?

I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill  post after that.

Thanks
RAN

On 12/1/2015 10:12 AM, Douglas A. Walter wrote:
> In no way attacking City staff or Gary Darling, I think this advice is 
> a big step towards giving up the dream of a gigabit municipal fiber 
> network.
>
> I'm not sold on my "better alternative," but since the slow task force 
> is a slow death, I'll suggest this instead:
> This proposal calls for a second timeline to be started in July, 2016 
> for policy revisions, public hearings, etc. That's going to mean the 
> City will have nothing in place for when the Comcast franchise 
> agreement expires in 2018. The City Council should instead direct 
> staff to explore a revenue bond or utility tax measure to fund 
> deployment of gigabit fiber to the home (and office and school, etc.).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Gary Darling wrote:
>
>> It?s the role of staff to offer alternatives to the council and I too 
>> have found them to be very professional. Given the many ways that 
>> this network might play out it is wise to have a citizen?s advisory 
>> body with technical expertise appointed and up to speed. The task 
>> force is a reasonable thing to form at this juncture - I think we 
>> should have asked for this body early on to avoid the timing problems 
>> that now face the city. If we ask to take the task force item off of 
>> the consent calendar we will need to decide what we would ask for 
>> instead and have broad agreement between us on the new strategy. If 
>> someone has an alternative suggest it now, and let?s discuss. 
>> Otherwise we should just let the task force go forward as a consent 
>> item and do what we can to assure that the group serves the public good.
>>
>>
>>                                    ?Gary
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org 
>>> <mailto:steve at dcn.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The composition of the task force will also be very important, and 
>>> we should keep an eye on the selection process.
>>>
>>> In particular, we'll want to make sure that nobody is appointed who 
>>> has a direct or indirect financial connection to the cable industry 
>>> or works in any position funded via cable franchise funds.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org 
>>> <mailto:russell at vort.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I agree with this general assessment. I have alway been taken
>>>     aback by
>>>     how conservative the city staff is. It makes for a weird
>>>     contrast with
>>>     the city polity. They are, nevertheless, extremely professional.
>>>
>>>     It's critical to have support of the Council, preferably
>>>     unanimously.
>>>     If there are any council members opposed, we need to figure out why,
>>>     and what to do about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Russell
>>>
>>>     On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000, Shneor Sherman via Davisgig
>>>     wrote:
>>>     > Once again, I have to say that if individual city council
>>>     members are
>>>     > not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone is acquainted with any
>>>     > city council member, please have a conversation with them
>>>     about this.
>>>     > We have made a pretty good rough cost estimate of $30 million. We
>>>     > don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility tax will do just
>>>     as well.
>>>     > The franchise, as far as I understand, applies just to the
>>>     city and
>>>     > school district. Pulling the item off the consent calendar  is
>>>     > definitely the best way to go. City staff might be pro comcast
>>>     > (status quo), if they have any position at all. That's why
>>>     educated
>>>     > city council direction is vital.
>>>     >
>>>     > Shneor Sherman
>>>     > --------------------------------------------
>>>     > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org
>>>     <mailto:steve at dcn.org>> wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>>>     > Released & Article about El Macero
>>>     >  To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com
>>>     <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>     >  Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>>     <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>>     <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>     >  Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56 PM
>>>     >
>>>     >  I think
>>>     >  the possibility of a Spring 2016 measure was ruled out the
>>>     >  moment that we knew we would have other financial matters on
>>>     >  the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax measures before the
>>>     >  voters at the same time. The risk of everything failing is
>>>     >  too high.
>>>     >  I see this as a
>>>     >  reminder that the interests of the institutional city and
>>>     >  the staff are not identical with ours. We need to make sure
>>>     >  that the creation of a task force does not eliminate or even
>>>     >  reduce activist efforts. There needs to be some pressure
>>>     >  from the outside. This will help keep a task force that may
>>>     >  well have some pro-cable or anti-tax representatives
>>>     >  honest.
>>>     >  Whether the
>>>     >  item gets pulled from consent or not, I don't think it
>>>     >  would hurt to have some speakers pushing for an aggressive
>>>     >  timetable and a high priority.
>>>     >  On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
>>>     >  9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com
>>>     <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>     >  wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >      Hi
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >      Yeah so anyone else please give it a neutral read, is
>>>     >  our
>>>     >      characterization misplaced, in regards to this report
>>>     >  ?  Don't want
>>>     >      to mess up our graduation to task force status,
>>>     >  but...
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >      Could be we have to queue up in the public comment
>>>     >  tomorrow and ask
>>>     >      to be removed from consent.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >      I've emailed the city staff about the document and
>>>     >  its priorities to
>>>     >      see if I can get more understanding and clarity
>>>     >  verbally.
>>>     >
>>>     >      I'll post results tomorrow.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >      Thanks
>>>     >
>>>     >      RAN
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >      On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas A.
>>>     >        Walter wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >        Hi. It seems clear to me that we should
>>>     >  not let the current
>>>     >          Council accept the staff recommendation. I would
>>>     >  argue that in
>>>     >          2018, when the Comcast franchise agreement expires,
>>>     >  the
>>>     >          City+Schools will feel desperate to assure that
>>>     >  their pipes to
>>>     >          the Internet don't get cut off (or busted back
>>>     >  to modem speeds),
>>>     >          and that will help Comcast's negotiating
>>>     >  position on franchise
>>>     >          renewal. I haven't taken the time to read the
>>>     >  report, but does
>>>     >          it not sound like this is a very important deciding
>>>     >  point?
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >        I'd say NO to the timeline, and no to the
>>>     >  Task Force as
>>>     >          proposed.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >          On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
>>>     >  Nickerson wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >             Hi
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >              I can only agree on that, now that I have read
>>>     >  this over.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >              The last interactions I've had with the City
>>>     >  Staff have been
>>>     >              negative
>>>     >
>>>     >              on having a June 2016 vote because of the
>>>     >  competing tax
>>>     >              measure,
>>>     >
>>>     >               and they suggested 11/2016 as more
>>>     >  appropriate.
>>>     >
>>>     >                ked them to look into the reported
>>>     >  requirement that an
>>>     >              election where there is a bond issue
>>>     >
>>>     >              needed to be a city council election, and have
>>>     >  received no
>>>     >              definitive answer.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >               Looks like this task force is a step back from
>>>     >  even getting
>>>     >              municipal Fiber optic,
>>>     >
>>>     >               but more  focused on studying broadband in
>>>     >  Davis,  and a
>>>     >              lot of extra effort.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >              Anyone have any ideas on what to do with this ?
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >              The staff report and recommendation will be
>>>     >  presented as a
>>>     >              consent item tomorrow at the city council.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >              Thanks
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >              P.S. How does this relate to the Sports
>>>     >  Complex?
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >              On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
>>>     >                Sherman wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >                The timeline will not allow for a 2016
>>>     >  referendum or any popular vote in 2016. This proposal calls
>>>     >  for a second timeline to be started in July, 2016 for policy
>>>     >  revisions, public hearings, etc. It's probably more
>>>     >  realistic to look at 2018, when Comcast's franchise
>>>     >  expires.
>>>     >
>>>     >  Shneor Sherman
>>>     > --------------------------------------------
>>>     >  On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com
>>>     <mailto:rob at omsoft.com>>
>>>     >  wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >   Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>>>     >  Released & Article about El Macero
>>>     >   To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
>>>     >  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>     >   Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 11:08 AM
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >       Hi All
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >       1) Thanks to all your efforts, we have a council item
>>>     >  on
>>>     >   the consent
>>>     >       calendar for Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend Davis
>>>     >  adopt
>>>     >   the Yolo
>>>     >       Broadband Plan and make a Task Force to help the city
>>>     >   decide what is
>>>     >       best to do for Davis for fiber.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >       A copy of the staff report is here:
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
>>>     >
>>>     tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >       Its a rather large document because it has the Yolo
>>>     >   Broadband Plan
>>>     >       attached to it. The details about the Task force are in
>>>     >   the first
>>>     >       pages.  I don't think this would have materialized
>>>     >   at all at the
>>>     >       City level without everyone being a force, and asking
>>>     >   for and
>>>     >       delivering on meetings, and Public Outreach.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >       2) An article about community businesses funding an
>>>     >   Upgrade for El
>>>     >       Macero -
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
>>>     > s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >       Does anyone have any insight on whether this is really
>>>     >  a
>>>     >   Fiber
>>>     >       deployment or just paying a deposit to fund a build out
>>>     >   by Comcast?
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >       Thanks
>>>     >
>>>     >       --
>>>     >
>>>     >         Rob Nickerson
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >         CEO
>>>     >
>>>     >         Om Networks
>>>     >
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Robert et. al, 

Asking for a delay was what I was going to suggest also. A task force is a normal governmental process for an issue like this. It is not the only way to get this done but I don?t think that we can arrive at another alternative that has support even within our small group in the time remaining.


                                           ?Gary


> On Dec 1, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi 
> 
> Thanks for your  comments on voting for a  bond Steve, I would say any regular election is great. So that adds more dates to a possible calendar aside from  6/2016 or 6/2018. 
> So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance that supersedes this State of California law I assume?
> 
> http://qcode.us/codes/davis/ <http://qcode.us/codes/davis/>
> 
> 
> Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been involved with, we have asked the City Staff to move this forward, and expressed the urgency of the need. 
> The task force is great, I just am concerned with what it is being asked to do right now in this staff report document. 
>  
> Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach event, interview persons, that is rehashing what has happened over this year. 
> I think this task force should be about municipal fiber optic for Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband connection types, and gather lots of subjective
>  anecdotal comments about peoples broadband experiences. 
> 
> So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some time to work with Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and what it hopes to accomplish. 
> Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments to the scope and work of the task force either before its voted on tonight, at
>  public comment or asking it be postponed? 
> 
> I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill  post after that. 
> 
> Thanks
> RAN
> 
> On 12/1/2015 10:12 AM, Douglas A. Walter wrote:
>> In no way attacking City staff or Gary Darling, I think this advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of a gigabit municipal fiber network.
>> 
>> I'm not sold on my "better alternative," but since the slow task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this instead:
>> This proposal calls for a second timeline to be started in July, 2016 for policy revisions, public hearings, etc. That's going to mean the City will have nothing in place for when the Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The City Council should instead direct staff to explore a revenue bond or utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit fiber to the home (and office and school, etc.).
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Gary Darling wrote:
>> 
>>> It?s the role of staff to offer alternatives to the council and I too have found them to be very professional. Given the many ways that this network might play out it is wise to have a citizen?s advisory body with technical expertise appointed and up to speed. The task force is a reasonable thing to form at this juncture - I think we should have asked for this body early on to avoid the timing problems that now face the city. If we ask to take the task force item off of the consent calendar we will need to decide what we would ask for instead and have broad agreement between us on the new strategy. If someone has an alternative suggest it now, and let?s discuss. Otherwise we should just let the task force go forward as a consent item and do what we can to assure that the group serves the public good.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                                                                                ?Gary
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org <mailto:steve at dcn.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The composition of the task force will also be very important, and we should keep an eye on the selection process.
>>>> 
>>>> In particular, we'll want to make sure that nobody is appointed who has a direct or indirect financial connection to the cable industry or works in any position funded via cable franchise funds.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org <mailto:russell at vort.org>> wrote:
>>>> I agree with this general assessment. I have alway been taken aback by
>>>> how conservative the city staff is. It makes for a weird contrast with
>>>> the city polity. They are, nevertheless, extremely professional.
>>>> 
>>>> It's critical to have support of the Council, preferably unanimously.
>>>> If there are any council members opposed, we need to figure out why,
>>>> and what to do about it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Russell
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000, Shneor Sherman via Davisgig wrote:
>>>> > Once again, I have to say that if individual city council members are
>>>> > not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone is acquainted with any
>>>> > city council member, please have a conversation with them about this.
>>>> > We have made a pretty good rough cost estimate of $30 million. We
>>>> > don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility tax will do just as well.
>>>> > The franchise, as far as I understand, applies just to the city and
>>>> > school district. Pulling the item off the consent calendar  is
>>>> > definitely the best way to go. City staff might be pro comcast
>>>> > (status quo), if they have any position at all. That's why educated
>>>> > city council direction is vital.
>>>> >
>>>> > Shneor Sherman
>>>> > --------------------------------------------
>>>> > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org <mailto:steve at dcn.org>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>>>> > Released & Article about El Macero
>>>> >  To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>> >  Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>> >  Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56 PM
>>>> >
>>>> >  I think
>>>> >  the possibility of a Spring 2016 measure was ruled out the
>>>> >  moment that we knew we would have other financial matters on
>>>> >  the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax measures before the
>>>> >  voters at the same time. The risk of everything failing is
>>>> >  too high.
>>>> >  I see this as a
>>>> >  reminder that the interests of the institutional city and
>>>> >  the staff are not identical with ours. We need to make sure
>>>> >  that the creation of a task force does not eliminate or even
>>>> >  reduce activist efforts. There needs to be some pressure
>>>> >  from the outside. This will help keep a task force that may
>>>> >  well have some pro-cable or anti-tax representatives
>>>> >  honest.
>>>> >  Whether the
>>>> >  item gets pulled from consent or not, I don't think it
>>>> >  would hurt to have some speakers pushing for an aggressive
>>>> >  timetable and a high priority.
>>>> >  On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
>>>> >  9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson < <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>omrob at omsoft.com <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>> >  wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >      Hi
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >      Yeah so anyone else please give it a neutral read, is
>>>> >  our
>>>> >      characterization misplaced, in regards to this report
>>>> >  ?  Don't want
>>>> >      to mess up our graduation to task force status,
>>>> >  but...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >      Could be we have to queue up in the public comment
>>>> >  tomorrow and ask
>>>> >      to be removed from consent.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >      I've emailed the city staff about the document and
>>>> >  its priorities to
>>>> >      see if I can get more understanding and clarity
>>>> >  verbally.
>>>> >
>>>> >      I'll post results tomorrow.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >      Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> >      RAN
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >      On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas A.
>>>> >        Walter wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >        Hi. It seems clear to me that we should
>>>> >  not let the current
>>>> >          Council accept the staff recommendation. I would
>>>> >  argue that in
>>>> >          2018, when the Comcast franchise agreement expires,
>>>> >  the
>>>> >          City+Schools will feel desperate to assure that
>>>> >  their pipes to
>>>> >          the Internet don't get cut off (or busted back
>>>> >  to modem speeds),
>>>> >          and that will help Comcast's negotiating
>>>> >  position on franchise
>>>> >          renewal. I haven't taken the time to read the
>>>> >  report, but does
>>>> >          it not sound like this is a very important deciding
>>>> >  point?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >        I'd say NO to the timeline, and no to the
>>>> >  Task Force as
>>>> >          proposed.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >          On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
>>>> >  Nickerson wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >             Hi
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >              I can only agree on that, now that I have read
>>>> >  this over.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >              The last interactions I've had with the City
>>>> >  Staff have been
>>>> >              negative
>>>> >
>>>> >              on having a June 2016 vote because of the
>>>> >  competing tax
>>>> >              measure,
>>>> >
>>>> >               and they suggested 11/2016 as more
>>>> >  appropriate.
>>>> >
>>>> >                ked them to look into the reported
>>>> >  requirement that an
>>>> >              election where there is a bond issue
>>>> >
>>>> >              needed to be a city council election, and have
>>>> >  received no
>>>> >              definitive answer.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >               Looks like this task force is a step back from
>>>> >  even getting
>>>> >              municipal Fiber optic,
>>>> >
>>>> >               but more  focused on studying broadband in
>>>> >  Davis,  and a
>>>> >              lot of extra effort.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >              Anyone have any ideas on what to do with this ?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >              The staff report and recommendation will be
>>>> >  presented as a
>>>> >              consent item tomorrow at the city council.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >              Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >              P.S. How does this relate to the Sports
>>>> >  Complex?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >              On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
>>>> >                Sherman wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >                The timeline will not allow for a 2016
>>>> >  referendum or any popular vote in 2016. This proposal calls
>>>> >  for a second timeline to be started in July, 2016 for policy
>>>> >  revisions, public hearings, etc. It's probably more
>>>> >  realistic to look at 2018, when Comcast's franchise
>>>> >  expires.
>>>> >
>>>> >  Shneor Sherman
>>>> >  --------------------------------------------
>>>> >  On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com <mailto:rob at omsoft.com>>
>>>> >  wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >   Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>>>> >  Released & Article about El Macero
>>>> >   To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
>>>> >  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>> >   Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 11:08 AM
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >       Hi All
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >       1) Thanks to all your efforts, we have a council item
>>>> >  on
>>>> >   the consent
>>>> >       calendar for Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend Davis
>>>> >  adopt
>>>> >   the Yolo
>>>> >       Broadband Plan and make a Task Force to help the city
>>>> >   decide what is
>>>> >       best to do for Davis for fiber.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >       A copy of the staff report is here:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >       http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci <http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci>
>>>> > tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >       Its a rather large document because it has the Yolo
>>>> >   Broadband Plan
>>>> >       attached to it. The details about the Task force are in
>>>> >   the first
>>>> >       pages.  I don't think this would have materialized
>>>> >   at all at the
>>>> >       City level without everyone being a force, and asking
>>>> >   for and
>>>> >       delivering on meetings, and Public Outreach.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >       2) An article about community businesses funding an
>>>> >   Upgrade for El
>>>> >       Macero -
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >   http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance <http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance>
>>>> > s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >       Does anyone have any insight on whether this is really
>>>> >  a
>>>> >   Fiber
>>>> >       deployment or just paying a deposit to fund a build out
>>>> >   by Comcast?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> >
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>>>> >
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>>>> >
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>>>> >
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From szsherm at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  1 13:15:21 2015
From: szsherm at yahoo.com (Shneor Sherman)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:15:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released
	&	Article about El Macero
References: <1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

A delay is only worthwhile if the council directs city staff to work with DavisGig. Otherwise, it would most likely be wasted time. City staff are already committed to their proposal, and without direction will see no reason to change anything.

Other options would be to email city council members now, to prepare them. The more emails, the better.

Shneor Sherman
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 12/1/15, Gary Darling <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &	Article about El Macero
 To: "Robert Nickerson" <omrob at omsoft.com>
 Cc: davisgig at list.omsoft.com
 Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
 
 Robert et.
 al,?
 Asking for a delay was what I was
 going to suggest also. A task force is a normal governmental
 process for an issue like this. It is not the only way to
 get this done but I don?t think that we can arrive at
 another alternative that has support even within our small
 group in the time remaining.
 
 ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ??Gary
 
 On Dec 1,
 2015, at 12:04 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
 wrote:
 
   
     
   
   
     Hi 
 
     
 
     Thanks for your? comments on voting for a?
 bond Steve, I would say
     any regular election is great. So that adds more dates
 to a possible
     calendar aside from? 6/2016 or 6/2018. 
 
     So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance
 that
     supersedes this State of California law I assume?
 
     
 
     http://qcode.us/codes/davis/
 
     
 
     
 
     Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been
 involved
     with, we have asked the City Staff to move this forward,
 and
     expressed the urgency of the need. 
 
     The task force is great, I just am concerned with what
 it is being
     asked to do right now in this staff report document. 
 
     ?
 
     Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach
 event,
     interview persons, that is rehashing what has happened
 over this
     year. 
 
     I think this task force should be about municipal fiber
 optic for
     Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband connection types,
 and gather
     lots of subjective
 
     ?anecdotal comments about peoples broadband
 experiences. 
 
     
 
     So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some
 time to work
     with Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and
 what it hopes
     to accomplish. 
 
     Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments
 to the
     scope and work of the task force either before its voted
 on tonight,
     at
 
     ?public comment or asking it be postponed? 
 
     
 
     I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill?
 post after that. 
 
     
 
     Thanks
 
     RAN
 
     
 
     On 12/1/2015
 10:12 AM, Douglas A.
       Walter wrote:
 
     
     
       In no way attacking City
 staff or Gary Darling, I think this
         advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of
 a gigabit
         municipal fiber network.
       
 
       
       I'm not sold on my
 "better alternative," but since the slow
         task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this
 instead:
       This
           proposal calls for a second timeline to be started
 in July,
           2016 for policy revisions, public hearings,
 etc.?That's going
           to mean the City will have nothing in place for
 when the
           Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The
 City Council
           should instead direct staff to explore a revenue
 bond or
           utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit
 fiber to the
           home (and office and school, etc.).
 
         
       
 
       
       Thoughts?
       
 
         
           On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57
 AM, Gary Darling wrote:
           
 
           
             
             It?s the
               role of staff to offer alternatives to the
 council and I
               too have found them to be very professional.
 Given the
               many ways that this network might play out it
 is wise to
               have a citizen?s advisory body with
 technical expertise
               appointed and up to speed. The task force is a
 reasonable
               thing to form at this juncture - I think we
 should have
               asked for this body early on to avoid the
 timing problems
               that now face the city. If we ask to take the
 task force
               item off of the consent calendar we will need
 to decide
               what we would ask for instead and have broad
 agreement
               between us on the new strategy. If someone has
 an
               alternative suggest it now, and let?s
 discuss. Otherwise
               we should just let the task force go forward
 as a consent
               item and do what we can to assure that the
 group serves
               the public good.
               
 
               
               
 
               
               ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ?
                 ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ??Gary
               
 
               
               
 
                 
                   
                     On Dec 1,
 2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve
                       McMahon <steve at dcn.org>
                       wrote:
                     
 
                     
                       The composition of the
                         task force will also be very
 important, and we
                         should keep an eye on the selection
 process.
                         
 
                         
                         In
 particular, we'll want to make
                           sure that nobody is appointed who
 has a direct
                           or indirect financial connection
 to the cable
                           industry or works in any position
 funded via
                           cable franchise funds.
                       
                       
 
                         On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at
                           2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org>
                           wrote:
 
                           I agree
 with
                             this general assessment. I have
 alway been
                             taken aback by
 
                             how conservative the city staff
 is. It makes
                             for a weird contrast with
 
                             the city polity. They are,
 nevertheless,
                             extremely professional.
 
                             
 
                             It's critical to have
 support of the
                             Council, preferably
 unanimously.
 
                             If there are any council members
 opposed, we
                             need to figure out why,
 
                             and what to do about it.
 
                             
 
                                 
 
                                 Russell
 
                               
                             
                               
 
                                 On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09
 +0000,
                                 Shneor Sherman via Davisgig
 wrote:
 
                                 > Once again, I have to
 say that if
                                 individual city council
 members are
 
                                 > not on board, nothing
 will
                                 happen.If anyone is
 acquainted with any
 
                                 > city council member,
 please have a
                                 conversation with them about
 this.
 
                                 > We have made a pretty
 good rough
                                 cost estimate of $30
 million. We
 
                                 > don't necessarily
 need a bond, as a
                                 utility tax will do just as
 well.
 
                                 > The franchise, as far
 as I
                                 understand, applies just to
 the city and
 
                                 > school district.
 Pulling the item
                                 off the consent
 calendar? is
 
                                 > definitely the best way
 to go. City
                                 staff might be pro
 comcast
 
                                 > (status quo), if they
 have any
                                 position at all. That's
 why educated
 
                                 > city council direction
 is vital.
 
                                 >
 
                                 > Shneor Sherman
 
                                 >
                                
 --------------------------------------------
 
                                 > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve
 McMahon
                                 <steve at dcn.org>
                                 wrote:
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? Subject: Re:
 [Davisgig] City of
                                 Davis Staff Report on
 Broadband
 
                                 > Released & Article
 about El
                                 Macero
 
                                 >? To: "Robert
 Nickerson @ Omsoft"
                                 <omrob at omsoft.com>
 
                                 >? Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
                                 <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 
                                 >? Date: Monday,
 November 30, 2015,
                                 9:56 PM
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? I think
 
                                 >? the possibility
 of a Spring 2016
                                 measure was ruled out the
 
                                 >? moment that we
 knew we would have
                                 other financial matters
 on
 
                                 >? the ballot.
 Nobody wants multiple
                                 tax measures before the
 
                                 >? voters at the
 same time. The risk
                                 of everything failing is
 
                                 >? too high.
 
                                 >? I see this as
 a
 
                                 >? reminder that the
 interests of the
                                 institutional city and
 
                                 >? the staff are not
 identical with
                                 ours. We need to make
 sure
 
                                 >? that the creation
 of a task force
                                 does not eliminate or
 even
 
                                 >? reduce activist
 efforts. There
                                 needs to be some pressure
 
                                 >? from the outside.
 This will help
                                 keep a task force that
 may
 
                                 >? well have some
 pro-cable or
                                 anti-tax representatives
 
                                 >? honest.
 
                                 >? Whether the
 
                                 >? item gets pulled
 from consent or
                                 not, I don't think it
 
                                 >? would hurt to
 have some speakers
                                 pushing for an aggressive
 
                                 >? timetable and a
 high priority.
 
                                 >? On Mon, Nov 30,
 2015 at
 
                                 >? 9:24 PM, Robert
 Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
 
                                 >? wrote:
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 Hi
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 Yeah so anyone else please
                                 give it a neutral read,
 is
 
                                 >? our
 
                                 >? ? ?
 characterization misplaced, in
                                 regards to this report
 
                                 >? ?? Don't
 want
 
                                 >? ? ? to
 mess up our graduation to
                                 task force status,
 
                                 >? but...
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 Could be we have to queue up
                                 in the public comment
 
                                 >? tomorrow and
 ask
 
                                 >? ? ? to
 be removed from consent.
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 I've emailed the city staff
                                 about the document and
 
                                 >? its priorities
 to
 
                                 >? ? ? see
 if I can get more
                                 understanding and clarity
 
                                 >? verbally.
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 I'll post results tomorrow.
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 Thanks
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 RAN
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ? On
 11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas
                                 A.
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? Walter wrote:
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? Hi. It seems clear to me
                                 that we should
 
                                 >? not let the
 current
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? Council accept the staff
                                 recommendation. I would
 
                                 >? argue that in
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? 2018, when the Comcast
                                 franchise agreement
 expires,
 
                                 >? the
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? City+Schools will feel
                                 desperate to assure that
 
                                 >? their pipes to
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? the Internet don't get cut
                                 off (or busted back
 
                                 >? to modem
 speeds),
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? and that will help
                                 Comcast's negotiating
 
                                 >? position on
 franchise
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? renewal. I haven't taken
                                 the time to read the
 
                                 >? report, but
 does
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? it not sound like this is
                                 a very important deciding
 
                                 >? point?
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? I'd say NO to the timeline,
                                 and no to the
 
                                 >? Task Force as
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? proposed.
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53
                                 PM, Robert
 
                                 >? Nickerson
 wrote:
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ?Hi
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? I can only agree on
                                 that, now that I have
 read
 
                                 >? this over.
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? The last interactions
                                 I've had with the
 City
 
                                 >? Staff have
 been
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? negative
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? on having a June 2016
                                 vote because of the
 
                                 >? competing tax
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? measure,
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ?and they suggested
                                 11/2016 as more
 
                                 >? appropriate.
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ked them to look
                                 into the reported
 
                                 >? requirement that
 an
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? election where there
                                 is a bond issue
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? needed to be a city
                                 council election, and
 have
 
                                 >? received no
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? definitive answer.
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ?Looks like this task
                                 force is a step back from
 
                                 >? even getting
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? municipal Fiber optic,
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ?but more? focused on
                                 studying broadband in
 
                                 >? Davis,? and
 a
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? lot of extra effort.
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? Anyone have any ideas
                                 on what to do with this ?
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? The staff report and
                                 recommendation will be
 
                                 >? presented as a
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? consent item tomorrow
                                 at the city council.
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? Thanks
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? P.S. How does this
                                 relate to the Sports
 
                                 >? Complex?
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? On 11/30/2015 11:34
                                 AM, Shneor
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? Sherman wrote:
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? The timeline will
                                 not allow for a 2016
 
                                 >? referendum or any
 popular vote in
                                 2016. This proposal calls
 
                                 >? for a second
 timeline to be
                                 started in July, 2016 for
 policy
 
                                 >? revisions, public
 hearings, etc.
                                 It's probably more
 
                                 >? realistic to look
 at 2018, when
                                 Comcast's franchise
 
                                 >? expires.
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? Shneor Sherman
 
                                 >?
                                
 --------------------------------------------
 
                                 >? On Mon, 11/30/15,
 Robert Nickerson
                                 <rob at omsoft.com>
 
                                 >? wrote:
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ?Subject:
 [Davisgig] City of Davis
                                 Staff Report on Broadband
 
                                 >? Released &
 Article about El
                                 Macero
 
                                 >? ?To:
 "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
 
                                 >? <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 
                                 >? ?Date:
 Monday, November 30, 2015,
                                 11:08 AM
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?Hi All
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?1) Thanks to all your
                                 efforts, we have a council
 item
 
                                 >? on
 
                                 >? ?the
 consent
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?calendar for Tues Dec 1
                                 meeting to recommend
 Davis
 
                                 >? adopt
 
                                 >? ?the Yolo
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?Broadband Plan and make a
                                 Task Force to help the
 city
 
                                 >? ?decide what
 is
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?best to do for Davis for
                                 fiber.
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?A copy of the staff report is
                                 here:
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
 
                                 >
                                
 tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?Its a rather large document
                                 because it has the Yolo
 
                                 >? ?Broadband
 Plan
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?attached to it. The details
                                 about the Task force are
 in
 
                                 >? ?the
 first
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?pages.? I don't think this
                                 would have materialized
 
                                 >? ?at all at
 the
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?City level without everyone
                                 being a force, and asking
 
                                 >? ?for and
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?delivering on meetings, and
                                 Public Outreach.
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?2) An article about community
                                 businesses funding an
 
                                 >? ?Upgrade for
 El
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?Macero -
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ?http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
 
                                 >
 s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?Does anyone have any insight
                                 on whether this is really
 
                                 >? a
 
                                 >? ?Fiber
 
                                 >? ? ?
 ?deployment or just paying a
                                 deposit to fund a build
 out
 
                                 >? ?by
 Comcast?
 
                                 >
 
                                 >
 
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From c2crawford at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 13:28:34 2015
From: c2crawford at gmail.com (Christine Crawford)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 13:28:34 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 13, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3398.1449004526.2056.davisgig@list.omsoft.com>
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The City needs to do a detailed study that will look at the business case
for a municipal fiber system. The City cannot propose a public bond measure
without more detailed cost analysis to back up a bond amount, which is what
is envisioned in the staff report. Or perhaps there are other financing
options that need to be considered.

The Task Force would help provide City staff technical expertise and
direction to that end. If folks want to make comments about ensuring the
task force is focused on this goal and not being unproductive listening to
anecdotal stories, that's fine. But asking for a delay will just be another
delay.


On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:15 PM, <davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com> wrote:

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>    1. Re: City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released      &
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:15:21 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Shneor Sherman <szsherm at yahoo.com>
> To: Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>,        Gary Darling
>         <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>         Released        &       Article about El Macero
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> A delay is only worthwhile if the council directs city staff to work with
> DavisGig. Otherwise, it would most likely be wasted time. City staff are
> already committed to their proposal, and without direction will see no
> reason to change anything.
>
> Other options would be to email city council members now, to prepare them.
> The more emails, the better.
>
> Shneor Sherman
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 12/1/15, Gary Darling <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released
> &     Article about El Macero
>  To: "Robert Nickerson" <omrob at omsoft.com>
>  Cc: davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>  Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
>
>  Robert et.
>  al,?
>  Asking for a delay was what I was
>  going to suggest also. A task force is a normal governmental
>  process for an issue like this. It is not the only way to
>  get this done but I don?t think that we can arrive at
>  another alternative that has support even within our small
>  group in the time remaining.
>
>  ? ? ? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>  ??Gary
>
>  On Dec 1,
>  2015, at 12:04 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>      Hi
>
>
>
>      Thanks for your? comments on voting for a?
>  bond Steve, I would say
>      any regular election is great. So that adds more dates
>  to a possible
>      calendar aside from? 6/2016 or 6/2018.
>
>      So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance
>  that
>      supersedes this State of California law I assume?
>
>
>
>      http://qcode.us/codes/davis/
>
>
>
>
>
>      Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been
>  involved
>      with, we have asked the City Staff to move this forward,
>  and
>      expressed the urgency of the need.
>
>      The task force is great, I just am concerned with what
>  it is being
>      asked to do right now in this staff report document.
>
>      ?
>
>      Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach
>  event,
>      interview persons, that is rehashing what has happened
>  over this
>      year.
>
>      I think this task force should be about municipal fiber
>  optic for
>      Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband connection types,
>  and gather
>      lots of subjective
>
>      ?anecdotal comments about peoples broadband
>  experiences.
>
>
>
>      So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some
>  time to work
>      with Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and
>  what it hopes
>      to accomplish.
>
>      Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments
>  to the
>      scope and work of the task force either before its voted
>  on tonight,
>      at
>
>      ?public comment or asking it be postponed?
>
>
>
>      I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill?
>  post after that.
>
>
>
>      Thanks
>
>      RAN
>
>
>
>      On 12/1/2015
>  10:12 AM, Douglas A.
>        Walter wrote:
>
>
>
>        In no way attacking City
>  staff or Gary Darling, I think this
>          advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of
>  a gigabit
>          municipal fiber network.
>
>
>
>        I'm not sold on my
>  "better alternative," but since the slow
>          task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this
>  instead:
>        This
>            proposal calls for a second timeline to be started
>  in July,
>            2016 for policy revisions, public hearings,
>  etc.?That's going
>            to mean the City will have nothing in place for
>  when the
>            Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The
>  City Council
>            should instead direct staff to explore a revenue
>  bond or
>            utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit
>  fiber to the
>            home (and office and school, etc.).
>
>
>
>
>
>        Thoughts?
>
>
>
>            On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57
>  AM, Gary Darling wrote:
>
>
>
>
>              It?s the
>                role of staff to offer alternatives to the
>  council and I
>                too have found them to be very professional.
>  Given the
>                many ways that this network might play out it
>  is wise to
>                have a citizen?s advisory body with
>  technical expertise
>                appointed and up to speed. The task force is a
>  reasonable
>                thing to form at this juncture - I think we
>  should have
>                asked for this body early on to avoid the
>  timing problems
>                that now face the city. If we ask to take the
>  task force
>                item off of the consent calendar we will need
>  to decide
>                what we would ask for instead and have broad
>  agreement
>                between us on the new strategy. If someone has
>  an
>                alternative suggest it now, and let?s
>  discuss. Otherwise
>                we should just let the task force go forward
>  as a consent
>                item and do what we can to assure that the
>  group serves
>                the public good.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ?
>                  ? ? ? ? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ??Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                      On Dec 1,
>  2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve
>                        McMahon <steve at dcn.org>
>                        wrote:
>
>
>
>                        The composition of the
>                          task force will also be very
>  important, and we
>                          should keep an eye on the selection
>  process.
>
>
>
>                          In
>  particular, we'll want to make
>                            sure that nobody is appointed who
>  has a direct
>                            or indirect financial connection
>  to the cable
>                            industry or works in any position
>  funded via
>                            cable franchise funds.
>
>
>
>                          On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at
>                            2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org>
>                            wrote:
>
>                            I agree
>  with
>                              this general assessment. I have
>  alway been
>                              taken aback by
>
>                              how conservative the city staff
>  is. It makes
>                              for a weird contrast with
>
>                              the city polity. They are,
>  nevertheless,
>                              extremely professional.
>
>
>
>                              It's critical to have
>  support of the
>                              Council, preferably
>  unanimously.
>
>                              If there are any council members
>  opposed, we
>                              need to figure out why,
>
>                              and what to do about it.
>
>
>
>
>
>                                  Russell
>
>
>
>
>
>                                  On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09
>  +0000,
>                                  Shneor Sherman via Davisgig
>  wrote:
>
>                                  > Once again, I have to
>  say that if
>                                  individual city council
>  members are
>
>                                  > not on board, nothing
>  will
>                                  happen.If anyone is
>  acquainted with any
>
>                                  > city council member,
>  please have a
>                                  conversation with them about
>  this.
>
>                                  > We have made a pretty
>  good rough
>                                  cost estimate of $30
>  million. We
>
>                                  > don't necessarily
>  need a bond, as a
>                                  utility tax will do just as
>  well.
>
>                                  > The franchise, as far
>  as I
>                                  understand, applies just to
>  the city and
>
>                                  > school district.
>  Pulling the item
>                                  off the consent
>  calendar? is
>
>                                  > definitely the best way
>  to go. City
>                                  staff might be pro
>  comcast
>
>                                  > (status quo), if they
>  have any
>                                  position at all. That's
>  why educated
>
>                                  > city council direction
>  is vital.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  > Shneor Sherman
>
>                                  >
>
>  --------------------------------------------
>
>                                  > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve
>  McMahon
>                                  <steve at dcn.org>
>                                  wrote:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? Subject: Re:
>  [Davisgig] City of
>                                  Davis Staff Report on
>  Broadband
>
>                                  > Released & Article
>  about El
>                                  Macero
>
>                                  >? To: "Robert
>  Nickerson @ Omsoft"
>                                  <omrob at omsoft.com>
>
>                                  >? Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
>                                  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>
>                                  >? Date: Monday,
>  November 30, 2015,
>                                  9:56 PM
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? I think
>
>                                  >? the possibility
>  of a Spring 2016
>                                  measure was ruled out the
>
>                                  >? moment that we
>  knew we would have
>                                  other financial matters
>  on
>
>                                  >? the ballot.
>  Nobody wants multiple
>                                  tax measures before the
>
>                                  >? voters at the
>  same time. The risk
>                                  of everything failing is
>
>                                  >? too high.
>
>                                  >? I see this as
>  a
>
>                                  >? reminder that the
>  interests of the
>                                  institutional city and
>
>                                  >? the staff are not
>  identical with
>                                  ours. We need to make
>  sure
>
>                                  >? that the creation
>  of a task force
>                                  does not eliminate or
>  even
>
>                                  >? reduce activist
>  efforts. There
>                                  needs to be some pressure
>
>                                  >? from the outside.
>  This will help
>                                  keep a task force that
>  may
>
>                                  >? well have some
>  pro-cable or
>                                  anti-tax representatives
>
>                                  >? honest.
>
>                                  >? Whether the
>
>                                  >? item gets pulled
>  from consent or
>                                  not, I don't think it
>
>                                  >? would hurt to
>  have some speakers
>                                  pushing for an aggressive
>
>                                  >? timetable and a
>  high priority.
>
>                                  >? On Mon, Nov 30,
>  2015 at
>
>                                  >? 9:24 PM, Robert
>  Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
>
>                                  >? wrote:
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>  Hi
>
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>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  Yeah so anyone else please
>                                  give it a neutral read,
>  is
>
>                                  >? our
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  characterization misplaced, in
>                                  regards to this report
>
>                                  >? ?? Don't
>  want
>
>                                  >? ? ? to
>  mess up our graduation to
>                                  task force status,
>
>                                  >? but...
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  Could be we have to queue up
>                                  in the public comment
>
>                                  >? tomorrow and
>  ask
>
>                                  >? ? ? to
>  be removed from consent.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  I've emailed the city staff
>                                  about the document and
>
>                                  >? its priorities
>  to
>
>                                  >? ? ? see
>  if I can get more
>                                  understanding and clarity
>
>                                  >? verbally.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  I'll post results tomorrow.
>
>                                  >
>
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>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  Thanks
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  RAN
>
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>
>                                  >? ? ? On
>  11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas
>                                  A.
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? Walter wrote:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? Hi. It seems clear to me
>                                  that we should
>
>                                  >? not let the
>  current
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? Council accept the staff
>                                  recommendation. I would
>
>                                  >? argue that in
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? 2018, when the Comcast
>                                  franchise agreement
>  expires,
>
>                                  >? the
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? City+Schools will feel
>                                  desperate to assure that
>
>                                  >? their pipes to
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? the Internet don't get cut
>                                  off (or busted back
>
>                                  >? to modem
>  speeds),
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? and that will help
>                                  Comcast's negotiating
>
>                                  >? position on
>  franchise
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? renewal. I haven't taken
>                                  the time to read the
>
>                                  >? report, but
>  does
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? it not sound like this is
>                                  a very important deciding
>
>                                  >? point?
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? I'd say NO to the timeline,
>                                  and no to the
>
>                                  >? Task Force as
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? proposed.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53
>                                  PM, Robert
>
>                                  >? Nickerson
>  wrote:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ?Hi
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? I can only agree on
>                                  that, now that I have
>  read
>
>                                  >? this over.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? The last interactions
>                                  I've had with the
>  City
>
>                                  >? Staff have
>  been
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? negative
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? on having a June 2016
>                                  vote because of the
>
>                                  >? competing tax
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? measure,
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ?and they suggested
>                                  11/2016 as more
>
>                                  >? appropriate.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? ked them to look
>                                  into the reported
>
>                                  >? requirement that
>  an
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? election where there
>                                  is a bond issue
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? needed to be a city
>                                  council election, and
>  have
>
>                                  >? received no
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? definitive answer.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ?Looks like this task
>                                  force is a step back from
>
>                                  >? even getting
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? municipal Fiber optic,
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ?but more? focused on
>                                  studying broadband in
>
>                                  >? Davis,? and
>  a
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? lot of extra effort.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? Anyone have any ideas
>                                  on what to do with this ?
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? The staff report and
>                                  recommendation will be
>
>                                  >? presented as a
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? consent item tomorrow
>                                  at the city council.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? Thanks
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? P.S. How does this
>                                  relate to the Sports
>
>                                  >? Complex?
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? On 11/30/2015 11:34
>                                  AM, Shneor
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? Sherman wrote:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? The timeline will
>                                  not allow for a 2016
>
>                                  >? referendum or any
>  popular vote in
>                                  2016. This proposal calls
>
>                                  >? for a second
>  timeline to be
>                                  started in July, 2016 for
>  policy
>
>                                  >? revisions, public
>  hearings, etc.
>                                  It's probably more
>
>                                  >? realistic to look
>  at 2018, when
>                                  Comcast's franchise
>
>                                  >? expires.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? Shneor Sherman
>
>                                  >?
>
>  --------------------------------------------
>
>                                  >? On Mon, 11/30/15,
>  Robert Nickerson
>                                  <rob at omsoft.com>
>
>                                  >? wrote:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ?Subject:
>  [Davisgig] City of Davis
>                                  Staff Report on Broadband
>
>                                  >? Released &
>  Article about El
>                                  Macero
>
>                                  >? ?To:
>  "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
>
>                                  >? <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>
>                                  >? ?Date:
>  Monday, November 30, 2015,
>                                  11:08 AM
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?Hi All
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?1) Thanks to all your
>                                  efforts, we have a council
>  item
>
>                                  >? on
>
>                                  >? ?the
>  consent
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?calendar for Tues Dec 1
>                                  meeting to recommend
>  Davis
>
>                                  >? adopt
>
>                                  >? ?the Yolo
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?Broadband Plan and make a
>                                  Task Force to help the
>  city
>
>                                  >? ?decide what
>  is
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?best to do for Davis for
>                                  fiber.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?A copy of the staff report is
>                                  here:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
>
>                                  >
>
>  tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?Its a rather large document
>                                  because it has the Yolo
>
>                                  >? ?Broadband
>  Plan
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?attached to it. The details
>                                  about the Task force are
>  in
>
>                                  >? ?the
>  first
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?pages.? I don't think this
>                                  would have materialized
>
>                                  >? ?at all at
>  the
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?City level without everyone
>                                  being a force, and asking
>
>                                  >? ?for and
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?delivering on meetings, and
>                                  Public Outreach.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?2) An article about community
>                                  businesses funding an
>
>                                  >? ?Upgrade for
>  El
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?Macero -
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ?
> http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
>
>                                  >
>  s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?Does anyone have any insight
>                                  on whether this is really
>
>                                  >? a
>
>                                  >? ?Fiber
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?deployment or just paying a
>                                  deposit to fund a build
>  out
>
>                                  >? ?by
>  Comcast?
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?Thanks
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?--
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ?Rob Nickerson
>
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From frapafi at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 13:32:03 2015
From: frapafi at gmail.com (francesca paola)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 13:32:03 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] Emails to City Council
Message-ID: <CA+=qynJUnTwST6hpiANMc11zNu-oC3J1ZP7aDUrNfaY9i4g+rQ@mail.gmail.com>

You'll likely want to keep emails brief. I've been in City offices the day
of council meetings, it's pretty hectic and I imagine same goes for Council
members.

Francesca
aka DavisGig lurker


On Tuesday, December 1, 2015, <davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com> wrote:

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>    1. Re: City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released      &
>       Article about El Macero (Shneor Sherman)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:15:21 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Shneor Sherman <szsherm at yahoo.com>
> To: Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>,        Gary Darling
>         <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>         Released        &       Article about El Macero
> Message-ID:
>         <1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> A delay is only worthwhile if the council directs city staff to work with
> DavisGig. Otherwise, it would most likely be wasted time. City staff are
> already committed to their proposal, and without direction will see no
> reason to change anything.
>
> Other options would be to email city council members now, to prepare them.
> The more emails, the better.
>
> Shneor Sherman
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 12/1/15, Gary Darling <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released
> &     Article about El Macero
>  To: "Robert Nickerson" <omrob at omsoft.com>
>  Cc: davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>  Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
>
>  Robert et.
>  al,?
>  Asking for a delay was what I was
>  going to suggest also. A task force is a normal governmental
>  process for an issue like this. It is not the only way to
>  get this done but I don?t think that we can arrive at
>  another alternative that has support even within our small
>  group in the time remaining.
>
>  ? ? ? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>  ??Gary
>
>  On Dec 1,
>  2015, at 12:04 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>      Hi
>
>
>
>      Thanks for your? comments on voting for a?
>  bond Steve, I would say
>      any regular election is great. So that adds more dates
>  to a possible
>      calendar aside from? 6/2016 or 6/2018.
>
>      So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance
>  that
>      supersedes this State of California law I assume?
>
>
>
>      http://qcode.us/codes/davis/
>
>
>
>
>
>      Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been
>  involved
>      with, we have asked the City Staff to move this forward,
>  and
>      expressed the urgency of the need.
>
>      The task force is great, I just am concerned with what
>  it is being
>      asked to do right now in this staff report document.
>
>      ?
>
>      Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach
>  event,
>      interview persons, that is rehashing what has happened
>  over this
>      year.
>
>      I think this task force should be about municipal fiber
>  optic for
>      Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband connection types,
>  and gather
>      lots of subjective
>
>      ?anecdotal comments about peoples broadband
>  experiences.
>
>
>
>      So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some
>  time to work
>      with Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and
>  what it hopes
>      to accomplish.
>
>      Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments
>  to the
>      scope and work of the task force either before its voted
>  on tonight,
>      at
>
>      ?public comment or asking it be postponed?
>
>
>
>      I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill?
>  post after that.
>
>
>
>      Thanks
>
>      RAN
>
>
>
>      On 12/1/2015
>  10:12 AM, Douglas A.
>        Walter wrote:
>
>
>
>        In no way attacking City
>  staff or Gary Darling, I think this
>          advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of
>  a gigabit
>          municipal fiber network.
>
>
>
>        I'm not sold on my
>  "better alternative," but since the slow
>          task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this
>  instead:
>        This
>            proposal calls for a second timeline to be started
>  in July,
>            2016 for policy revisions, public hearings,
>  etc.?That's going
>            to mean the City will have nothing in place for
>  when the
>            Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The
>  City Council
>            should instead direct staff to explore a revenue
>  bond or
>            utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit
>  fiber to the
>            home (and office and school, etc.).
>
>
>
>
>
>        Thoughts?
>
>
>
>            On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57
>  AM, Gary Darling wrote:
>
>
>
>
>              It?s the
>                role of staff to offer alternatives to the
>  council and I
>                too have found them to be very professional.
>  Given the
>                many ways that this network might play out it
>  is wise to
>                have a citizen?s advisory body with
>  technical expertise
>                appointed and up to speed. The task force is a
>  reasonable
>                thing to form at this juncture - I think we
>  should have
>                asked for this body early on to avoid the
>  timing problems
>                that now face the city. If we ask to take the
>  task force
>                item off of the consent calendar we will need
>  to decide
>                what we would ask for instead and have broad
>  agreement
>                between us on the new strategy. If someone has
>  an
>                alternative suggest it now, and let?s
>  discuss. Otherwise
>                we should just let the task force go forward
>  as a consent
>                item and do what we can to assure that the
>  group serves
>                the public good.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ?
>                  ? ? ? ? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ??Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                      On Dec 1,
>  2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve
>                        McMahon <steve at dcn.org>
>                        wrote:
>
>
>
>                        The composition of the
>                          task force will also be very
>  important, and we
>                          should keep an eye on the selection
>  process.
>
>
>
>                          In
>  particular, we'll want to make
>                            sure that nobody is appointed who
>  has a direct
>                            or indirect financial connection
>  to the cable
>                            industry or works in any position
>  funded via
>                            cable franchise funds.
>
>
>
>                          On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at
>                            2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org>
>                            wrote:
>
>                            I agree
>  with
>                              this general assessment. I have
>  alway been
>                              taken aback by
>
>                              how conservative the city staff
>  is. It makes
>                              for a weird contrast with
>
>                              the city polity. They are,
>  nevertheless,
>                              extremely professional.
>
>
>
>                              It's critical to have
>  support of the
>                              Council, preferably
>  unanimously.
>
>                              If there are any council members
>  opposed, we
>                              need to figure out why,
>
>                              and what to do about it.
>
>
>
>
>
>                                  Russell
>
>
>
>
>
>                                  On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09
>  +0000,
>                                  Shneor Sherman via Davisgig
>  wrote:
>
>                                  > Once again, I have to
>  say that if
>                                  individual city council
>  members are
>
>                                  > not on board, nothing
>  will
>                                  happen.If anyone is
>  acquainted with any
>
>                                  > city council member,
>  please have a
>                                  conversation with them about
>  this.
>
>                                  > We have made a pretty
>  good rough
>                                  cost estimate of $30
>  million. We
>
>                                  > don't necessarily
>  need a bond, as a
>                                  utility tax will do just as
>  well.
>
>                                  > The franchise, as far
>  as I
>                                  understand, applies just to
>  the city and
>
>                                  > school district.
>  Pulling the item
>                                  off the consent
>  calendar? is
>
>                                  > definitely the best way
>  to go. City
>                                  staff might be pro
>  comcast
>
>                                  > (status quo), if they
>  have any
>                                  position at all. That's
>  why educated
>
>                                  > city council direction
>  is vital.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  > Shneor Sherman
>
>                                  >
>
>  --------------------------------------------
>
>                                  > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve
>  McMahon
>                                  <steve at dcn.org>
>                                  wrote:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? Subject: Re:
>  [Davisgig] City of
>                                  Davis Staff Report on
>  Broadband
>
>                                  > Released & Article
>  about El
>                                  Macero
>
>                                  >? To: "Robert
>  Nickerson @ Omsoft"
>                                  <omrob at omsoft.com>
>
>                                  >? Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
>                                  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>
>                                  >? Date: Monday,
>  November 30, 2015,
>                                  9:56 PM
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? I think
>
>                                  >? the possibility
>  of a Spring 2016
>                                  measure was ruled out the
>
>                                  >? moment that we
>  knew we would have
>                                  other financial matters
>  on
>
>                                  >? the ballot.
>  Nobody wants multiple
>                                  tax measures before the
>
>                                  >? voters at the
>  same time. The risk
>                                  of everything failing is
>
>                                  >? too high.
>
>                                  >? I see this as
>  a
>
>                                  >? reminder that the
>  interests of the
>                                  institutional city and
>
>                                  >? the staff are not
>  identical with
>                                  ours. We need to make
>  sure
>
>                                  >? that the creation
>  of a task force
>                                  does not eliminate or
>  even
>
>                                  >? reduce activist
>  efforts. There
>                                  needs to be some pressure
>
>                                  >? from the outside.
>  This will help
>                                  keep a task force that
>  may
>
>                                  >? well have some
>  pro-cable or
>                                  anti-tax representatives
>
>                                  >? honest.
>
>                                  >? Whether the
>
>                                  >? item gets pulled
>  from consent or
>                                  not, I don't think it
>
>                                  >? would hurt to
>  have some speakers
>                                  pushing for an aggressive
>
>                                  >? timetable and a
>  high priority.
>
>                                  >? On Mon, Nov 30,
>  2015 at
>
>                                  >? 9:24 PM, Robert
>  Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
>
>                                  >? wrote:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  Hi
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  Yeah so anyone else please
>                                  give it a neutral read,
>  is
>
>                                  >? our
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  characterization misplaced, in
>                                  regards to this report
>
>                                  >? ?? Don't
>  want
>
>                                  >? ? ? to
>  mess up our graduation to
>                                  task force status,
>
>                                  >? but...
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  Could be we have to queue up
>                                  in the public comment
>
>                                  >? tomorrow and
>  ask
>
>                                  >? ? ? to
>  be removed from consent.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  I've emailed the city staff
>                                  about the document and
>
>                                  >? its priorities
>  to
>
>                                  >? ? ? see
>  if I can get more
>                                  understanding and clarity
>
>                                  >? verbally.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  I'll post results tomorrow.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  Thanks
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  RAN
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ? On
>  11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas
>                                  A.
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? Walter wrote:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? Hi. It seems clear to me
>                                  that we should
>
>                                  >? not let the
>  current
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? Council accept the staff
>                                  recommendation. I would
>
>                                  >? argue that in
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? 2018, when the Comcast
>                                  franchise agreement
>  expires,
>
>                                  >? the
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? City+Schools will feel
>                                  desperate to assure that
>
>                                  >? their pipes to
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? the Internet don't get cut
>                                  off (or busted back
>
>                                  >? to modem
>  speeds),
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? and that will help
>                                  Comcast's negotiating
>
>                                  >? position on
>  franchise
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? renewal. I haven't taken
>                                  the time to read the
>
>                                  >? report, but
>  does
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? it not sound like this is
>                                  a very important deciding
>
>                                  >? point?
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? I'd say NO to the timeline,
>                                  and no to the
>
>                                  >? Task Force as
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? proposed.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53
>                                  PM, Robert
>
>                                  >? Nickerson
>  wrote:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ?Hi
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? I can only agree on
>                                  that, now that I have
>  read
>
>                                  >? this over.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? The last interactions
>                                  I've had with the
>  City
>
>                                  >? Staff have
>  been
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? negative
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? on having a June 2016
>                                  vote because of the
>
>                                  >? competing tax
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? measure,
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ?and they suggested
>                                  11/2016 as more
>
>                                  >? appropriate.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? ked them to look
>                                  into the reported
>
>                                  >? requirement that
>  an
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? election where there
>                                  is a bond issue
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? needed to be a city
>                                  council election, and
>  have
>
>                                  >? received no
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? definitive answer.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ?Looks like this task
>                                  force is a step back from
>
>                                  >? even getting
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? municipal Fiber optic,
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ?but more? focused on
>                                  studying broadband in
>
>                                  >? Davis,? and
>  a
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? lot of extra effort.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? Anyone have any ideas
>                                  on what to do with this ?
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? The staff report and
>                                  recommendation will be
>
>                                  >? presented as a
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? consent item tomorrow
>                                  at the city council.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? Thanks
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? P.S. How does this
>                                  relate to the Sports
>
>                                  >? Complex?
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? On 11/30/2015 11:34
>                                  AM, Shneor
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? Sherman wrote:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ? ? ? ? ? The timeline will
>                                  not allow for a 2016
>
>                                  >? referendum or any
>  popular vote in
>                                  2016. This proposal calls
>
>                                  >? for a second
>  timeline to be
>                                  started in July, 2016 for
>  policy
>
>                                  >? revisions, public
>  hearings, etc.
>                                  It's probably more
>
>                                  >? realistic to look
>  at 2018, when
>                                  Comcast's franchise
>
>                                  >? expires.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? Shneor Sherman
>
>                                  >?
>
>  --------------------------------------------
>
>                                  >? On Mon, 11/30/15,
>  Robert Nickerson
>                                  <rob at omsoft.com>
>
>                                  >? wrote:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ?Subject:
>  [Davisgig] City of Davis
>                                  Staff Report on Broadband
>
>                                  >? Released &
>  Article about El
>                                  Macero
>
>                                  >? ?To:
>  "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
>
>                                  >? <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>
>                                  >? ?Date:
>  Monday, November 30, 2015,
>                                  11:08 AM
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?Hi All
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?1) Thanks to all your
>                                  efforts, we have a council
>  item
>
>                                  >? on
>
>                                  >? ?the
>  consent
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?calendar for Tues Dec 1
>                                  meeting to recommend
>  Davis
>
>                                  >? adopt
>
>                                  >? ?the Yolo
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?Broadband Plan and make a
>                                  Task Force to help the
>  city
>
>                                  >? ?decide what
>  is
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?best to do for Davis for
>                                  fiber.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?A copy of the staff report is
>                                  here:
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
>
>                                  >
>
>  tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?Its a rather large document
>                                  because it has the Yolo
>
>                                  >? ?Broadband
>  Plan
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?attached to it. The details
>                                  about the Task force are
>  in
>
>                                  >? ?the
>  first
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?pages.? I don't think this
>                                  would have materialized
>
>                                  >? ?at all at
>  the
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?City level without everyone
>                                  being a force, and asking
>
>                                  >? ?for and
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?delivering on meetings, and
>                                  Public Outreach.
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?2) An article about community
>                                  businesses funding an
>
>                                  >? ?Upgrade for
>  El
>
>                                  >? ? ?
>  ?Macero -
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >
>
>                                  >? ?
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From westof113 at me.com  Tue Dec  1 13:33:48 2015
From: westof113 at me.com (Alvin Remmers)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 13:33:48 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] Email to council members before tonight
Message-ID: <7B0A39F1-DBFF-4951-9063-CBBE60582A42@me.com>

Is this a correct and effective email to send to council members?

^^^^^ During the city council's consent calendar activities tonight, please advise City Staff to consult with the Davis community group DavisGig while putting together the City?s task force on broadband. Thanks! ^^^^^

Is this effective and correct? Weigh in and let me know. Thanks!


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From szsherm at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  1 13:44:13 2015
From: szsherm at yahoo.com (Shneor Sherman)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:44:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Davisgig] Email to council members before tonight
References: <1588729328.14301615.1449006253243.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1588729328.14301615.1449006253243.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

IMO, the first thought should be to take the item off the consent calendar, followed by the reasons to do that. They need to know that there has been a group of community members and technical experts who have already done much of the groundwork. Participants in DavisGig should be co-opted to work with city staff as part of a task force to establish the feasibility of FTTH, nail down cost estimates, hold public hearings and return to the council with a concrete proposal within six months.  

Monolithic emails are not required...

Shneor Sherman
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 12/1/15, Alvin Remmers <westof113 at me.com> wrote:

 Subject: [Davisgig] Email to council members before tonight
 To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com
 Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 1:33 PM
 
 Is this a
 correct and effective email to send to council members?
 ^^^^^ During the city council's
 consent calendar activities tonight, please advise City
 Staff to consult with the Davis community group
 DavisGig?while?putting together the
 City?s task force on broadband. Thanks! ^^^^^
 Is this effective and correct? Weigh
 in and let me know. Thanks!
 
 
 
 -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
 
 _______________________________________________
 
 Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts:
 
 http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start
 
 Davisgig mailing list
 Davisgig at list.omsoft.com
 http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig


From szsherm at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  1 14:04:55 2015
From: szsherm at yahoo.com (Shneor Sherman)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 22:04:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Davisgig] Email to council members before tonight
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This a copy of what I sent.
______________________________________________________________________________

Subject: Item F on the Consent Calendar (Broadband Task Force)


Dear City Council Member,

Please remove this item from the consent calendar.

For the past eight months, a group, DavisGig, composed of community members and technical experts, have explored the feasibility of providing fiber to the home (FTTH) (as well as businesses and government), resulting in the provision of gigabit internet to every unit. This goes far beyond what the Yolo County Broadband initiative proposes. DavisGig had done a great deal of groundwork, and volunteer members of this group should be co-opted to work on the task force. The task force should be tasked with formally establishing the feasibility of FTTH, nail down cost estimates, hold public hearings, and return to the Council within six months with concrete proposals, which should include finance options, such as a bond, utility users tax and any other options. Hopefully, such a proposal could be on the November, 2016 ballot.
_________________________________________________________________________________

I know this could be better, but time is limited.
I hope that some folks can attend the meeting tonight, 7 p.m. should be good for public comment. Butif they do take this off the consent calendar, it could come up for discussion pretty late. 
I will most likely not be at the meeting.
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 12/1/15, Shneor Sherman via Davisgig <davisgig at list.omsoft.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Email to council members before tonight
 To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com, "Alvin Remmers" <westof113 at me.com>
 Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 1:44 PM
 
 IMO, the first thought should be to
 take the item off the consent calendar, followed by the
 reasons to do that. They need to know that there has been a
 group of community members and technical experts who have
 already done much of the groundwork. Participants in
 DavisGig should be co-opted to work with city staff as part
 of a task force to establish the feasibility of FTTH, nail
 down cost estimates, hold public hearings and return to the
 council with a concrete proposal within six months.? 
 
 Monolithic emails are not required...
 
 Shneor Sherman
 --------------------------------------------
 On Tue, 12/1/15, Alvin Remmers <westof113 at me.com>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: [Davisgig] Email to council members before
 tonight
  To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com
  Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 1:33 PM
  
  Is this a
  correct and effective email to send to council members?
  ^^^^^ During the city council's
  consent calendar activities tonight, please advise City
  Staff to consult with the Davis community group
  DavisGig?while?putting together the
  City?s task force on broadband. Thanks! ^^^^^
  Is this effective and correct? Weigh
  in and let me know. Thanks!
  
  
  
  -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
  
  _______________________________________________
  
  Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts:
  
  http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start
  
  Davisgig mailing list
  Davisgig at list.omsoft.com
  http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig
 _______________________________________________
 
 Please ref our wiki for details, documents and contacts:
 
 http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start
 
 Davisgig mailing list
 Davisgig at list.omsoft.com
 http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig


From steve at dcn.org  Tue Dec  1 14:46:21 2015
From: steve at dcn.org (Steve McMahon)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 14:46:21 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] Email to council members before tonight
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Having read the discussions, I don't agree with Shneor.  I don't think we
need this removed from consent, and I don't think we want it delayed --
which could easily push it into next year. If you speak with a council
member, I suggest you instead encourage them to pass it, with the emphasis
that time is of the essence.

Let me also note a more concrete -- not just procedural -- disagreement
with Shneor. He argues that:

"""
DavisGig had done a great deal of groundwork, and volunteer members of this
group should be co-opted to work on the task force.
"""

The co-opting of DavisGig into the task force is just what I think we
should avoid. DavisGig should ideally be an activist group a step outside
the city's process. Then, if the task force is moving too slowly, we can
say so and apply pressure. That's a lot harder if you've been subsumed into
the process.


On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Shneor Sherman via Davisgig <
davisgig at list.omsoft.com> wrote:

> This a copy of what I sent.
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
> Subject: Item F on the Consent Calendar (Broadband Task Force)
>
>
> Dear City Council Member,
>
> Please remove this item from the consent calendar.
>
> For the past eight months, a group, DavisGig, composed of community
> members and technical experts, have explored the feasibility of providing
> fiber to the home (FTTH) (as well as businesses and government), resulting
> in the provision of gigabit internet to every unit. This goes far beyond
> what the Yolo County Broadband initiative proposes. DavisGig had done a
> great deal of groundwork, and volunteer members of this group should be
> co-opted to work on the task force. The task force should be tasked with
> formally establishing the feasibility of FTTH, nail down cost estimates,
> hold public hearings, and return to the Council within six months with
> concrete proposals, which should include finance options, such as a bond,
> utility users tax and any other options. Hopefully, such a proposal could
> be on the November, 2016 ballot.
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________
>
> I know this could be better, but time is limited.
> I hope that some folks can attend the meeting tonight, 7 p.m. should be
> good for public comment. Butif they do take this off the consent calendar,
> it could come up for discussion pretty late.
> I will most likely not be at the meeting.
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 12/1/15, Shneor Sherman via Davisgig <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Email to council members before tonight
>  To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com, "Alvin Remmers" <westof113 at me.com>
>  Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 1:44 PM
>
>  IMO, the first thought should be to
>  take the item off the consent calendar, followed by the
>  reasons to do that. They need to know that there has been a
>  group of community members and technical experts who have
>  already done much of the groundwork. Participants in
>  DavisGig should be co-opted to work with city staff as part
>  of a task force to establish the feasibility of FTTH, nail
>  down cost estimates, hold public hearings and return to the
>  council with a concrete proposal within six months.
>
>  Monolithic emails are not required...
>
>  Shneor Sherman
>  --------------------------------------------
>  On Tue, 12/1/15, Alvin Remmers <westof113 at me.com>
>  wrote:
>
>   Subject: [Davisgig] Email to council members before
>  tonight
>   To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>   Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 1:33 PM
>
>   Is this a
>   correct and effective email to send to council members?
>   ^^^^^ During the city council's
>   consent calendar activities tonight, please advise City
>   Staff to consult with the Davis community group
>   DavisGig while putting together the
>   City?s task force on broadband. Thanks! ^^^^^
>   Is this effective and correct? Weigh
>   in and let me know. Thanks!
>
>
>
>   -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
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>   _______________________________________________
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From frapafi at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 14:55:09 2015
From: frapafi at gmail.com (francesca paola)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 14:55:09 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] Videos of City Council meetings
Message-ID: <CA+=qynKE-nC6AnMoF2u71cwJ07CEkhWA-vM7LdRJurH3a23NQQ@mail.gmail.com>

For anyone interested that doesn't already know...

Video of City Council meetings are available online at
http://davis.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=2

There's a list of agenda items below video that will play video starting at
item.

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From russell at vort.org  Tue Dec  1 02:03:16 2015
From: russell at vort.org (Russell Neches)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 02:03:16 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
 Article about El Macero
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Message-ID: <1448964196.14094.185.camel@vort.org>

I agree with this general assessment. I have alway been taken aback by
how conservative the city staff is. It makes for a weird contrast with
the city polity. They are, nevertheless, extremely professional.

It's critical to have support of the Council, preferably unanimously.
If there are any council members opposed, we need to figure out why,
and what to do about it. 


Russell

On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000, Shneor Sherman via Davisgig wrote:
> Once again, I have to say that if individual city council members are
> not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone is acquainted with any
> city council member, please have a conversation with them about this.
> We have made a pretty good rough cost estimate of $30 million. We
> don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility tax will do just as well.
> The franchise, as far as I understand, applies just to the city and
> school district. Pulling the item off the consent calendar  is
> definitely the best way to go. City staff might be pro comcast
> (status quo), if they have any position at all. That's why educated
> city council direction is vital. 
> 
> Shneor Sherman
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org> wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
> Released & Article about El Macero
>  To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com>
>  Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>  Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56 PM
>  
>  I think
>  the possibility of a Spring 2016 measure was ruled out the
>  moment that we knew we would have other financial matters on
>  the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax measures before the
>  voters at the same time. The risk of everything failing is
>  too high.
>  I see this as a
>  reminder that the interests of the institutional city and
>  the staff are not identical with ours. We need to make sure
>  that the creation of a task force does not eliminate or even
>  reduce activist efforts. There needs to be some pressure
>  from the outside. This will help keep a task force that may
>  well have some pro-cable or anti-tax representatives
>  honest.
>  Whether the
>  item gets pulled from consent or not, I don't think it
>  would hurt to have some speakers pushing for an aggressive
>  timetable and a high priority.
>  On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
>  9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
>  wrote:
>  
>    
>      
>    
>    
>      Hi 
>  
>      
>  
>      Yeah so anyone else please give it a neutral read, is
>  our
>      characterization misplaced, in regards to this report
>  ?  Don't want
>      to mess up our graduation to task force status,
>  but...
>  
>      
>  
>      Could be we have to queue up in the public comment 
>  tomorrow and ask
>      to be removed from consent. 
>  
>      
>  
>      I've emailed the city staff about the document and
>  its priorities to
>      see if I can get more understanding and clarity
>  verbally. 
>  
>      I'll post results tomorrow. 
>  
>      
>  
>      Thanks
>  
>      RAN
>  
>      
>  
>      
>  
>      On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas A.
>        Walter wrote:
>  
>      
>      
>        Hi. It seems clear to me that we should
>  not let the current
>          Council accept the staff recommendation. I would
>  argue that in
>          2018, when the Comcast franchise agreement expires,
>  the
>          City+Schools will feel desperate to assure that
>  their pipes to
>          the Internet don't get cut off (or busted back
>  to modem speeds),
>          and that will help Comcast's negotiating
>  position on franchise
>          renewal. I haven't taken the time to read the
>  report, but does
>          it not sound like this is a very important deciding
>  point?
>        
>  
>        
>        I'd say NO to the timeline, and no to the
>  Task Force as
>          proposed.
>        
>  
>        
>          On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
>  Nickerson wrote:
>          
>  
>          
>            
>             Hi 
>  
>              
>  
>              I can only agree on that, now that I have read
>  this over. 
>  
>              
>  
>              The last interactions I've had with the City
>  Staff have been
>              negative 
>  
>              on having a June 2016 vote because of the 
>  competing tax
>              measure,
>  
>               and they suggested 11/2016 as more
>  appropriate. 
>  
>                ked them to look into the reported
>  requirement that an
>              election where there is a bond issue
>  
>              needed to be a city council election, and have
>  received no
>              definitive answer. 
>  
>              
>  
>               Looks like this task force is a step back from
>  even getting
>              municipal Fiber optic,
>  
>               but more  focused on studying broadband in
>  Davis,  and a
>              lot of extra effort.
>  
>              
>  
>              Anyone have any ideas on what to do with this ?
>  
>  
>              
>  
>              The staff report and recommendation will be
>  presented as a
>              consent item tomorrow at the city council. 
>  
>              
>  
>              Thanks
>  
>              
>  
>              P.S. How does this relate to the Sports
>  Complex?
>  
>              
>  
>              
>  
>              
>  
>              On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
>                Sherman wrote:
>  
>              
>              
>                The timeline will not allow for a 2016
>  referendum or any popular vote in 2016. This proposal calls
>  for a second timeline to be started in July, 2016 for policy
>  revisions, public hearings, etc. It's probably more
>  realistic to look at 2018, when Comcast's franchise
>  expires.
>  
>  Shneor Sherman
>  --------------------------------------------
>  On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com>
>  wrote:
>  
>   Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>  Released & Article about El Macero
>   To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
>  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>   Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 11:08 AM
>   
>   
>     
>   
>       
>     
>     
>       Hi All 
>   
>       
>   
>       1) Thanks to all your efforts, we have a council item
>  on
>   the consent
>       calendar for Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend Davis
>  adopt
>   the Yolo
>       Broadband Plan and make a Task Force to help the city
>   decide what is
>       best to do for Davis for fiber. 
>   
>       
>   
>       A copy of the staff report is here: 
>   
>       
>   
>       http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
> tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>   
>       
>   
>       Its a rather large document because it has the Yolo
>   Broadband Plan
>       attached to it. The details about the Task force are in
>   the first
>       pages.  I don't think this would have materialized
>   at all at the
>       City level without everyone being a force, and asking
>   for and
>       delivering on meetings, and Public Outreach. 
>   
>       
>   
>       2) An article about community businesses funding an
>   Upgrade for El
>       Macero - 
>   
>       
>   
>   http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
> s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>   
>       
>   
>       Does anyone have any insight on whether this is really
>  a
>   Fiber
>       deployment or just paying a deposit to fund a build out
>   by Comcast?
>       
>   
>       
>   
>       Thanks
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From russell at vort.org  Tue Dec  1 15:10:14 2015
From: russell at vort.org (Russell Neches)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 15:10:14 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
 Article about El Macero
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Ideally, we'd want the task force to be as nerdy as possible. A deeper
understanding of computing and networking, more than any other factor,
would militate against the big monopolies. Also, people with close ties
to BigCableCo will probably tend to be business-oriented, not
technical.

So... we should advocate that task force members have some serious
technical chops on their resumes, preferably quantified in publications
accepted and lines of code written, rather than dollars marshaled.


Russell

On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:44 -0800, Steve McMahon wrote:
> The composition of the task force will also be very important, and we
> should keep an eye on the selection process.
> 
> In particular, we'll want to make sure that nobody is appointed who
> has a direct or indirect financial connection to the cable industry
> or works in any position funded via cable franchise funds.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org>
> wrote:
> > I agree with this general assessment. I have alway been taken aback
> > by
> > how conservative the city staff is. It makes for a weird contrast
> > with
> > the city polity. They are, nevertheless, extremely professional.
> > 
> > It's critical to have support of the Council, preferably
> > unanimously.
> > If there are any council members opposed, we need to figure out
> > why,
> > and what to do about it.
> > 
> > 
> > Russell
> > 
> > On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000, Shneor Sherman via Davisgig
> > wrote:
> > > Once again, I have to say that if individual city council members
> > are
> > > not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone is acquainted with
> > any
> > > city council member, please have a conversation with them about
> > this.
> > > We have made a pretty good rough cost estimate of $30 million. We
> > > don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility tax will do just as
> > well.
> > > The franchise, as far as I understand, applies just to the city
> > and
> > > school district. Pulling the item off the consent calendar  is
> > > definitely the best way to go. City staff might be pro comcast
> > > (status quo), if they have any position at all. That's why
> > educated
> > > city council direction is vital.
> > >
> > > Shneor Sherman
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
> > > Released & Article about El Macero
> > >  To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com>
> > >  Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> > >  Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56 PM
> > >
> > >  I think
> > >  the possibility of a Spring 2016 measure was ruled out the
> > >  moment that we knew we would have other financial matters on
> > >  the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax measures before the
> > >  voters at the same time. The risk of everything failing is
> > >  too high.
> > >  I see this as a
> > >  reminder that the interests of the institutional city and
> > >  the staff are not identical with ours. We need to make sure
> > >  that the creation of a task force does not eliminate or even
> > >  reduce activist efforts. There needs to be some pressure
> > >  from the outside. This will help keep a task force that may
> > >  well have some pro-cable or anti-tax representatives
> > >  honest.
> > >  Whether the
> > >  item gets pulled from consent or not, I don't think it
> > >  would hurt to have some speakers pushing for an aggressive
> > >  timetable and a high priority.
> > >  On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
> > >  9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Hi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Yeah so anyone else please give it a neutral read, is
> > >  our
> > >      characterization misplaced, in regards to this report
> > >  ?  Don't want
> > >      to mess up our graduation to task force status,
> > >  but...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Could be we have to queue up in the public comment
> > >  tomorrow and ask
> > >      to be removed from consent.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      I've emailed the city staff about the document and
> > >  its priorities to
> > >      see if I can get more understanding and clarity
> > >  verbally.
> > >
> > >      I'll post results tomorrow.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Thanks
> > >
> > >      RAN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas A.
> > >        Walter wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >        Hi. It seems clear to me that we should
> > >  not let the current
> > >          Council accept the staff recommendation. I would
> > >  argue that in
> > >          2018, when the Comcast franchise agreement expires,
> > >  the
> > >          City+Schools will feel desperate to assure that
> > >  their pipes to
> > >          the Internet don't get cut off (or busted back
> > >  to modem speeds),
> > >          and that will help Comcast's negotiating
> > >  position on franchise
> > >          renewal. I haven't taken the time to read the
> > >  report, but does
> > >          it not sound like this is a very important deciding
> > >  point?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >        I'd say NO to the timeline, and no to the
> > >  Task Force as
> > >          proposed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >          On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
> > >  Nickerson wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >             Hi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >              I can only agree on that, now that I have read
> > >  this over.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >              The last interactions I've had with the City
> > >  Staff have been
> > >              negative
> > >
> > >              on having a June 2016 vote because of the
> > >  competing tax
> > >              measure,
> > >
> > >               and they suggested 11/2016 as more
> > >  appropriate.
> > >
> > >                ked them to look into the reported
> > >  requirement that an
> > >              election where there is a bond issue
> > >
> > >              needed to be a city council election, and have
> > >  received no
> > >              definitive answer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >               Looks like this task force is a step back from
> > >  even getting
> > >              municipal Fiber optic,
> > >
> > >               but more  focused on studying broadband in
> > >  Davis,  and a
> > >              lot of extra effort.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >              Anyone have any ideas on what to do with this ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >              The staff report and recommendation will be
> > >  presented as a
> > >              consent item tomorrow at the city council.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >              Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >              P.S. How does this relate to the Sports
> > >  Complex?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >              On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
> > >                Sherman wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >                The timeline will not allow for a 2016
> > >  referendum or any popular vote in 2016. This proposal calls
> > >  for a second timeline to be started in July, 2016 for policy
> > >  revisions, public hearings, etc. It's probably more
> > >  realistic to look at 2018, when Comcast's franchise
> > >  expires.
> > >
> > >  Shneor Sherman
> > >  --------------------------------------------
> > >  On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com>
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >   Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
> > >  Released & Article about El Macero
> > >   To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
> > >  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> > >   Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 11:08 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       Hi All
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       1) Thanks to all your efforts, we have a council item
> > >  on
> > >   the consent
> > >       calendar for Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend Davis
> > >  adopt
> > >   the Yolo
> > >       Broadband Plan and make a Task Force to help the city
> > >   decide what is
> > >       best to do for Davis for fiber.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       A copy of the staff report is here:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       
> > http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
> > > tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband
> > -Update.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       Its a rather large document because it has the Yolo
> > >   Broadband Plan
> > >       attached to it. The details about the Task force are in
> > >   the first
> > >       pages.  I don't think this would have materialized
> > >   at all at the
> > >       City level without everyone being a force, and asking
> > >   for and
> > >       delivering on meetings, and Public Outreach.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       2) An article about community businesses funding an
> > >   Upgrade for El
> > >       Macero -
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   
> > http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
> > > s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       Does anyone have any insight on whether this is really
> > >  a
> > >   Fiber
> > >       deployment or just paying a deposit to fund a build out
> > >   by Comcast?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       Thanks
> > >
> > >       --
> > >
> > >         Rob Nickerson
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         CEO
> > >
> > >         Om Networks
> > >
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> > >
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From szsherm at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  1 16:08:50 2015
From: szsherm at yahoo.com (Shneor Sherman)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 00:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Davisgig] Fw: Broadband Update to City Council
References: <203398535.13755772.1449014930192.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <203398535.13755772.1449014930192.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Here's a copy of the reply I received from Diane Parro:

--- On Tue, 12/1/15, Diane Parro <DParro at cityofdavis.org> wrote:

> From: Diane Parro <DParro at cityofdavis.org>
> Subject: Broadband Update to City Council
> To: "'szsherm at yahoo.com'" <szsherm at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Dirk Brazil" <DBrazil at cityofdavis.org>, "Rochelle Swanson" <RSwanson at cityofdavis.org>, "Robb Davis" <RDavis at cityofdavis.org>, "Lucas Frerichs" <lucasf at cityofdavis.org>, "Brett Lee" <BLee at cityofdavis.org>, "Dan Wolk" <DWolk at cityofdavis.org>, "Kelly Stachowicz" <KStachowicz at cityofdavis.org>
> Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 3:06 PM
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Mr. Sherman, 
>  ? 
> I received your email from
> our City Manager, Dirk Brazil, and appreciate your interest
> in broadband.? I have been working very closely with
> Rob Nickerson and a few other members of of DavisGig and
> have attended the community meetings that
>  have occurred since I joined the City.? They are a
> fantastic group and we have very fortunate to have a group
> of community advocates already working to support increasing
> broadband service in Davis. 
>  ? 
> I think your suggestions
> are aligned with the recommended actions as proposed to
> Council.? If approved, the Broadband Advisory Task
> Force will work on the tasks as you request in your
> email.? DavisGig is, in fact, suggested to select a
>  member to serve on the Broadband Task Force so that we may
> have the benefit of all they have accomplished to
> date.?
>  
>  ? 
> If you have more ideas or
> suggestions to share with me about this topic, please feel
> free to email me directly or call me at either of the
> telephone numbers shown below. 
>  ? 
> Many Thanks, 
> Diane 
>  ? 
>  
>  ? 
> Diane Parro 
> Chief Innovation
> Officer 
> City of Davis 
> (530) 747-5803 office 
> (530) 220-3092 mobile 
> dparro at cityofdavis.org
> 
> www.cityofdavis 
>  ? 
> 
> 
>


From rob at omsoft.com  Tue Dec  1 16:32:12 2015
From: rob at omsoft.com (Robert Nickerson)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:32:12 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 13, Issue 8
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References: <mailman.3398.1449004526.2056.davisgig@list.omsoft.com>
	<CAC=FYYhV2H6mbZdiCWV4X+OOHC3N9Esv03QeT1iiaWD3Obp4cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <565E3C0C.6070205@omsoft.com>

Hi Christine -


On 12/1/2015 1:28 PM, Christine Crawford wrote:
> The City needs to do a detailed study that will look at the business 
> case for a municipal fiber system. The City cannot propose a public 
> bond measure without more detailed cost analysis to back up a bond 
> amount, which is what is envisioned in the staff report. Or perhaps 
> there are other financing options that need to be considered.
We agree. We need a feasability study report weighing various options on 
implementing fiber optic in Davis.  We are prepared to get that RFP bid 
out and started through donations raside by our 501c3 non profit, DCN 
and DavisGIG volunteers so this task force can review it and make 
recommendations.

What we don't want is to get trapped in a lot of surveys, meetings, and 
repeat a lot of what DavisGIG has already accomplished over the year, 
and THEN put out a call for this FSR. Better save City money to go into 
preliminary engineering of whatever the recommended option the task 
force choses based up a thorough study of the FSR balanced against 
finances and needs.
> The Task Force would help provide City staff technical expertise and 
> direction to that end. If folks want to make comments about ensuring 
> the task force is focused on this goal and not being unproductive 
> listening to anecdotal stories, that's fine. But asking for a delay 
> will just be another delay.

Thanks for your thoughts.

RAN

> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:15 PM, <davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com 
> <mailto:davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com>> wrote:
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>        1. Re: City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released     &
>           Article about El Macero (Shneor Sherman)
>
>
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     Message: 1
>     Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:15:21 +0000 (UTC)
>     From: Shneor Sherman <szsherm at yahoo.com <mailto:szsherm at yahoo.com>>
>     To: Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>,
>           Gary Darling
>             <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net
>     <mailto:gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>>
>     Cc: <davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>     Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>             Released        &       Article about El Macero
>     Message-ID:
>            
>     <1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com
>     <mailto:1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>     A delay is only worthwhile if the council directs city staff to
>     work with DavisGig. Otherwise, it would most likely be wasted
>     time. City staff are already committed to their proposal, and
>     without direction will see no reason to change anything.
>
>     Other options would be to email city council members now, to
>     prepare them. The more emails, the better.
>
>     Shneor Sherman
>     --------------------------------------------
>     On Tue, 12/1/15, Gary Darling <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net
>     <mailto:gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
>      Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>     Released &     Article about El Macero
>      To: "Robert Nickerson" <omrob at omsoft.com <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>      Cc: davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>      Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
>
>      Robert et.
>      al,?
>      Asking for a delay was what I was
>      going to suggest also. A task force is a normal governmental
>      process for an issue like this. It is not the only way to
>      get this done but I don?t think that we can arrive at
>      another alternative that has support even within our small
>      group in the time remaining.
>
>      ? ? ? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>      ??Gary
>
>      On Dec 1,
>      2015, at 12:04 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com
>     <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>      wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>          Hi
>
>
>
>          Thanks for your? comments on voting for a?
>      bond Steve, I would say
>          any regular election is great. So that adds more dates
>      to a possible
>          calendar aside from? 6/2016 or 6/2018.
>
>          So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance
>      that
>          supersedes this State of California law I assume?
>
>
>
>     http://qcode.us/codes/davis/
>
>
>
>
>
>          Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been
>      involved
>          with, we have asked the City Staff to move this forward,
>      and
>          expressed the urgency of the need.
>
>          The task force is great, I just am concerned with what
>      it is being
>          asked to do right now in this staff report document.
>
>          ?
>
>          Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach
>      event,
>          interview persons, that is rehashing what has happened
>      over this
>          year.
>
>          I think this task force should be about municipal fiber
>      optic for
>          Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband connection types,
>      and gather
>          lots of subjective
>
>          ?anecdotal comments about peoples broadband
>      experiences.
>
>
>
>          So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some
>      time to work
>          with Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and
>      what it hopes
>          to accomplish.
>
>          Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments
>      to the
>          scope and work of the task force either before its voted
>      on tonight,
>          at
>
>          ?public comment or asking it be postponed?
>
>
>
>          I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill?
>      post after that.
>
>
>
>          Thanks
>
>          RAN
>
>
>
>          On 12/1/2015
>      10:12 AM, Douglas A.
>            Walter wrote:
>
>
>
>            In no way attacking City
>      staff or Gary Darling, I think this
>              advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of
>      a gigabit
>              municipal fiber network.
>
>
>
>            I'm not sold on my
>      "better alternative," but since the slow
>              task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this
>      instead:
>            This
>                proposal calls for a second timeline to be started
>      in July,
>                2016 for policy revisions, public hearings,
>      etc.?That's going
>                to mean the City will have nothing in place for
>      when the
>                Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The
>      City Council
>                should instead direct staff to explore a revenue
>      bond or
>                utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit
>      fiber to the
>                home (and office and school, etc.).
>
>
>
>
>
>            Thoughts?
>
>
>
>                On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57
>      AM, Gary Darling wrote:
>
>
>
>
>                  It?s the
>                    role of staff to offer alternatives to the
>      council and I
>                    too have found them to be very professional.
>      Given the
>                    many ways that this network might play out it
>      is wise to
>                    have a citizen?s advisory body with
>      technical expertise
>                    appointed and up to speed. The task force is a
>      reasonable
>                    thing to form at this juncture - I think we
>      should have
>                    asked for this body early on to avoid the
>      timing problems
>                    that now face the city. If we ask to take the
>      task force
>                    item off of the consent calendar we will need
>      to decide
>                    what we would ask for instead and have broad
>      agreement
>                    between us on the new strategy. If someone has
>      an
>                    alternative suggest it now, and let?s
>      discuss. Otherwise
>                    we should just let the task force go forward
>      as a consent
>                    item and do what we can to assure that the
>      group serves
>                    the public good.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                    ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ?
>                      ? ? ? ? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ??Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                          On Dec 1,
>      2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve
>                            McMahon <steve at dcn.org <mailto:steve at dcn.org>>
>                            wrote:
>
>
>
>                            The composition of the
>                              task force will also be very
>      important, and we
>                              should keep an eye on the selection
>      process.
>
>
>
>                              In
>      particular, we'll want to make
>                                sure that nobody is appointed who
>      has a direct
>                                or indirect financial connection
>      to the cable
>                                industry or works in any position
>      funded via
>                                cable franchise funds.
>
>
>
>                              On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at
>                                2:03 AM, Russell Neches
>     <russell at vort.org <mailto:russell at vort.org>>
>                                wrote:
>
>                                I agree
>      with
>                                  this general assessment. I have
>      alway been
>                                  taken aback by
>
>                                  how conservative the city staff
>      is. It makes
>                                  for a weird contrast with
>
>                                  the city polity. They are,
>      nevertheless,
>                                  extremely professional.
>
>
>
>                                  It's critical to have
>      support of the
>                                  Council, preferably
>      unanimously.
>
>                                  If there are any council members
>      opposed, we
>                                  need to figure out why,
>
>                                  and what to do about it.
>
>
>
>
>
>                                      Russell
>
>
>
>
>
>                                      On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09
>      +0000,
>                                      Shneor Sherman via Davisgig
>      wrote:
>
>                                      > Once again, I have to
>      say that if
>                                      individual city council
>      members are
>
>                                      > not on board, nothing
>      will
>                                      happen.If anyone is
>      acquainted with any
>
>                                      > city council member,
>      please have a
>                                      conversation with them about
>      this.
>
>                                      > We have made a pretty
>      good rough
>                                      cost estimate of $30
>      million. We
>
>                                      > don't necessarily
>      need a bond, as a
>                                      utility tax will do just as
>      well.
>
>                                      > The franchise, as far
>      as I
>                                      understand, applies just to
>      the city and
>
>                                      > school district.
>      Pulling the item
>                                      off the consent
>      calendar? is
>
>                                      > definitely the best way
>      to go. City
>                                      staff might be pro
>      comcast
>
>                                      > (status quo), if they
>      have any
>                                      position at all. That's
>      why educated
>
>                                      > city council direction
>      is vital.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      > Shneor Sherman
>
>                                      >
>
>      --------------------------------------------
>
>                                      > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve
>      McMahon
>                                      <steve at dcn.org
>     <mailto:steve at dcn.org>>
>                                      wrote:
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? Subject: Re:
>      [Davisgig] City of
>                                      Davis Staff Report on
>      Broadband
>
>                                      > Released & Article
>      about El
>                                      Macero
>
>                                      >? To: "Robert
>      Nickerson @ Omsoft"
>                                      <omrob at omsoft.com
>     <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>
>                                      >? Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>     <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
>                                      <davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>     <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>
>                                      >? Date: Monday,
>      November 30, 2015,
>                                      9:56 PM
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? I think
>
>                                      >? the possibility
>      of a Spring 2016
>                                      measure was ruled out the
>
>                                      >? moment that we
>      knew we would have
>                                      other financial matters
>      on
>
>                                      >? the ballot.
>      Nobody wants multiple
>                                      tax measures before the
>
>                                      >? voters at the
>      same time. The risk
>                                      of everything failing is
>
>                                      >? too high.
>
>                                      >? I see this as
>      a
>
>                                      >? reminder that the
>      interests of the
>                                      institutional city and
>
>                                      >? the staff are not
>      identical with
>                                      ours. We need to make
>      sure
>
>                                      >? that the creation
>      of a task force
>                                      does not eliminate or
>      even
>
>                                      >? reduce activist
>      efforts. There
>                                      needs to be some pressure
>
>                                      >? from the outside.
>      This will help
>                                      keep a task force that
>      may
>
>                                      >? well have some
>      pro-cable or
>                                      anti-tax representatives
>
>                                      >? honest.
>
>                                      >? Whether the
>
>                                      >? item gets pulled
>      from consent or
>                                      not, I don't think it
>
>                                      >? would hurt to
>      have some speakers
>                                      pushing for an aggressive
>
>                                      >? timetable and a
>      high priority.
>
>                                      >? On Mon, Nov 30,
>      2015 at
>
>                                      >? 9:24 PM, Robert
>      Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>
>                                      >? wrote:
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      Hi
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      Yeah so anyone else please
>                                      give it a neutral read,
>      is
>
>                                      >? our
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      characterization misplaced, in
>                                      regards to this report
>
>                                      >? ?? Don't
>      want
>
>                                      >? ? ? to
>      mess up our graduation to
>                                      task force status,
>
>                                      >? but...
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      Could be we have to queue up
>                                      in the public comment
>
>                                      >? tomorrow and
>      ask
>
>                                      >? ? ? to
>      be removed from consent.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      I've emailed the city staff
>                                      about the document and
>
>                                      >? its priorities
>      to
>
>                                      >? ? ? see
>      if I can get more
>                                      understanding and clarity
>
>                                      >? verbally.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      I'll post results tomorrow.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      Thanks
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      RAN
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ? On
>      11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas
>                                      A.
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? Walter wrote:
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? Hi. It seems clear to me
>                                      that we should
>
>                                      >? not let the
>      current
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? Council accept the staff
>                                      recommendation. I would
>
>                                      >? argue that in
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? 2018, when the Comcast
>                                      franchise agreement
>      expires,
>
>                                      >? the
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? City+Schools will feel
>                                      desperate to assure that
>
>                                      >? their pipes to
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? the Internet don't get cut
>                                      off (or busted back
>
>                                      >? to modem
>      speeds),
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? and that will help
>                                      Comcast's negotiating
>
>                                      >? position on
>      franchise
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? renewal. I haven't taken
>                                      the time to read the
>
>                                      >? report, but
>      does
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? it not sound like this is
>                                      a very important deciding
>
>                                      >? point?
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? I'd say NO to the timeline,
>                                      and no to the
>
>                                      >? Task Force as
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? proposed.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53
>                                      PM, Robert
>
>                                      >? Nickerson
>      wrote:
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ?Hi
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? I can only agree on
>                                      that, now that I have
>      read
>
>                                      >? this over.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? The last interactions
>                                      I've had with the
>      City
>
>                                      >? Staff have
>      been
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? negative
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? on having a June 2016
>                                      vote because of the
>
>                                      >? competing tax
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? measure,
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? ?and they suggested
>                                      11/2016 as more
>
>                                      >? appropriate.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? ? ked them to look
>                                      into the reported
>
>                                      >? requirement that
>      an
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? election where there
>                                      is a bond issue
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? needed to be a city
>                                      council election, and
>      have
>
>                                      >? received no
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? definitive answer.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? ?Looks like this task
>                                      force is a step back from
>
>                                      >? even getting
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? municipal Fiber optic,
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? ?but more? focused on
>                                      studying broadband in
>
>                                      >? Davis,? and
>      a
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? lot of extra effort.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? Anyone have any ideas
>                                      on what to do with this ?
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? The staff report and
>                                      recommendation will be
>
>                                      >? presented as a
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? consent item tomorrow
>                                      at the city council.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? Thanks
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
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>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? P.S. How does this
>                                      relate to the Sports
>
>                                      >? Complex?
>
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>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? On 11/30/2015 11:34
>                                      AM, Shneor
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? ? Sherman wrote:
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ? ? ? ? ? The timeline will
>                                      not allow for a 2016
>
>                                      >? referendum or any
>      popular vote in
>                                      2016. This proposal calls
>
>                                      >? for a second
>      timeline to be
>                                      started in July, 2016 for
>      policy
>
>                                      >? revisions, public
>      hearings, etc.
>                                      It's probably more
>
>                                      >? realistic to look
>      at 2018, when
>                                      Comcast's franchise
>
>                                      >? expires.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? Shneor Sherman
>
>                                      >?
>
>      --------------------------------------------
>
>                                      >? On Mon, 11/30/15,
>      Robert Nickerson
>                                      <rob at omsoft.com
>     <mailto:rob at omsoft.com>>
>
>                                      >? wrote:
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>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ?Subject:
>      [Davisgig] City of Davis
>                                      Staff Report on Broadband
>
>                                      >? Released &
>      Article about El
>                                      Macero
>
>                                      >? ?To:
>      "davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
>
>                                      >? <davisgig at list.omsoft.com
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>                                      >? ?Date:
>      Monday, November 30, 2015,
>                                      11:08 AM
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
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>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?Hi All
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?1) Thanks to all your
>                                      efforts, we have a council
>      item
>
>                                      >? on
>
>                                      >? ?the
>      consent
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?calendar for Tues Dec 1
>                                      meeting to recommend
>      Davis
>
>                                      >? adopt
>
>                                      >? ?the Yolo
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?Broadband Plan and make a
>                                      Task Force to help the
>      city
>
>                                      >? ?decide what
>      is
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?best to do for Davis for
>                                      fiber.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?A copy of the staff report is
>                                      here:
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
>
>                                      >
>
>      tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?Its a rather large document
>                                      because it has the Yolo
>
>                                      >? ?Broadband
>      Plan
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?attached to it. The details
>                                      about the Task force are
>      in
>
>                                      >? ?the
>      first
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?pages.? I don't think this
>                                      would have materialized
>
>                                      >? ?at all at
>      the
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?City level without everyone
>                                      being a force, and asking
>
>                                      >? ?for and
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?delivering on meetings, and
>                                      Public Outreach.
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?2) An article about community
>                                      businesses funding an
>
>                                      >? ?Upgrade for
>      El
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?Macero -
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >?
>     ?http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
>
>                                      >
>      s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?Does anyone have any insight
>                                      on whether this is really
>
>                                      >? a
>
>                                      >? ?Fiber
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?deployment or just paying a
>                                      deposit to fund a build
>      out
>
>                                      >? ?by
>      Comcast?
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >
>
>                                      >? ? ?
>      ?Thanks
>
>                                      >
>
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From szsherm at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  1 16:46:59 2015
From: szsherm at yahoo.com (Shneor Sherman)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 00:46:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
 Article about El Macero
References: <1089958996.13722957.1449017219427.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1089958996.13722957.1449017219427.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Russell, sorry to differ, but while some tech expertise will be needed (not necessarily in coding BTW), expertise in finance and on how best to educate Davis voters on the issue will also be needed. In addition, someone who can handle public hearings, which will be required once a concrete proposal is on the table, and community members who know nothing about this project, including folks who will vote against any tax. If you can properly educate those people, they will become the best advocates in preparation for an election. Some official representatives will also be needed, because they will help inform city council members, and will also represent municipal and school board interests.

Shneor Sherman 
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 12/1/15, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released & Article about El Macero
 To: "Steve McMahon" <steve at dcn.org>, "davisgig at list.omsoft.com" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 3:10 PM
 
 Ideally, we'd want the task force to
 be as nerdy as possible. A deeper
 understanding of computing and networking, more than any
 other factor,
 would militate against the big monopolies. Also, people with
 close ties
 to BigCableCo will probably tend to be business-oriented,
 not
 technical.
 
 So... we should advocate that task force members have some
 serious
 technical chops on their resumes, preferably quantified in
 publications
 accepted and lines of code written, rather than dollars
 marshaled.
 
 
 Russell
 
 On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:44 -0800, Steve McMahon wrote:
 > The composition of the task force will also be very
 important, and we
 > should keep an eye on the selection process.
 > 
 > In particular, we'll want to make sure that nobody is
 appointed who
 > has a direct or indirect financial connection to the
 cable industry
 > or works in any position funded via cable franchise
 funds.
 > 
 > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org>
 > wrote:
 > > I agree with this general assessment. I have alway
 been taken aback
 > > by
 > > how conservative the city staff is. It makes for a
 weird contrast
 > > with
 > > the city polity. They are, nevertheless, extremely
 professional.
 > > 
 > > It's critical to have support of the Council,
 preferably
 > > unanimously.
 > > If there are any council members opposed, we need
 to figure out
 > > why,
 > > and what to do about it.
 > > 
 > > 
 > > Russell
 > > 
 > > On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000, Shneor Sherman
 via Davisgig
 > > wrote:
 > > > Once again, I have to say that if individual
 city council members
 > > are
 > > > not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone
 is acquainted with
 > > any
 > > > city council member, please have a
 conversation with them about
 > > this.
 > > > We have made a pretty good rough cost
 estimate of $30 million. We
 > > > don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility
 tax will do just as
 > > well.
 > > > The franchise, as far as I understand,
 applies just to the city
 > > and
 > > > school district. Pulling the item off the
 consent calendar? is
 > > > definitely the best way to go. City staff
 might be pro comcast
 > > > (status quo), if they have any position at
 all. That's why
 > > educated
 > > > city council direction is vital.
 > > >
 > > > Shneor Sherman
 > > > --------------------------------------------
 > > > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org>
 wrote:
 > > >
 > > >? Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis
 Staff Report on Broadband
 > > > Released & Article about El Macero
 > > >? To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com>
 > > >? Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
 <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 > > >? Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56
 PM
 > > >
 > > >? I think
 > > >? the possibility of a Spring 2016
 measure was ruled out the
 > > >? moment that we knew we would have other
 financial matters on
 > > >? the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax
 measures before the
 > > >? voters at the same time. The risk of
 everything failing is
 > > >? too high.
 > > >? I see this as a
 > > >? reminder that the interests of the
 institutional city and
 > > >? the staff are not identical with ours.
 We need to make sure
 > > >? that the creation of a task force does
 not eliminate or even
 > > >? reduce activist efforts. There needs to
 be some pressure
 > > >? from the outside. This will help keep a
 task force that may
 > > >? well have some pro-cable or anti-tax
 representatives
 > > >? honest.
 > > >? Whether the
 > > >? item gets pulled from consent or not, I
 don't think it
 > > >? would hurt to have some speakers
 pushing for an aggressive
 > > >? timetable and a high priority.
 > > >? On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
 > > >? 9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
 > > >? wrote:
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? Hi
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? Yeah so anyone else
 please give it a neutral read, is
 > > >? our
 > > >? ? ? characterization
 misplaced, in regards to this report
 > > >? ?? Don't want
 > > >? ? ? to mess up our graduation
 to task force status,
 > > >? but...
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? Could be we have to queue
 up in the public comment
 > > >? tomorrow and ask
 > > >? ? ? to be removed from
 consent.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? I've emailed the city
 staff about the document and
 > > >? its priorities to
 > > >? ? ? see if I can get more
 understanding and clarity
 > > >? verbally.
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? I'll post results
 tomorrow.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? Thanks
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? RAN
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM,
 Douglas A.
 > > >? ? ? ? Walter wrote:
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? Hi. It seems clear
 to me that we should
 > > >? not let the current
 > > >? ? ? ? ? Council
 accept the staff recommendation. I would
 > > >? argue that in
 > > >? ? ? ? ? 2018, when
 the Comcast franchise agreement expires,
 > > >? the
 > > >? ? ? ? ?
 City+Schools will feel desperate to assure that
 > > >? their pipes to
 > > >? ? ? ? ? the
 Internet don't get cut off (or busted back
 > > >? to modem speeds),
 > > >? ? ? ? ? and that
 will help Comcast's negotiating
 > > >? position on franchise
 > > >? ? ? ? ? renewal. I
 haven't taken the time to read the
 > > >? report, but does
 > > >? ? ? ? ? it not
 sound like this is a very important deciding
 > > >? point?
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? I'd say NO to the
 timeline, and no to the
 > > >? Task Force as
 > > >? ? ? ? ? proposed.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? On Nov 30,
 2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
 > > >? Nickerson wrote:
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ?
 ???Hi
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? I can only agree on that, now that I have read
 > > >? this over.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? The last interactions I've had with the City
 > > >? Staff have been
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? negative
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? on having a June 2016 vote because of the
 > > >? competing tax
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? measure,
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???and they suggested 11/2016 as more
 > > >? appropriate.
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ked them to look into the reported
 > > >? requirement that an
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? election where there is a bond issue
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? needed to be a city council election, and have
 > > >? received no
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? definitive answer.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???Looks like this task force is a step back
 from
 > > >? even getting
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? municipal Fiber optic,
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???but more? focused on studying
 broadband in
 > > >? Davis,? and a
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? lot of extra effort.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? Anyone have any ideas on what to do with this ?
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? The staff report and recommendation will be
 > > >? presented as a
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? consent item tomorrow at the city council.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? Thanks
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? P.S. How does this relate to the Sports
 > > >? Complex?
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? Sherman wrote:
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? The timeline will not allow for a 2016
 > > >? referendum or any popular vote in 2016.
 This proposal calls
 > > >? for a second timeline to be started in
 July, 2016 for policy
 > > >? revisions, public hearings, etc. It's
 probably more
 > > >? realistic to look at 2018, when
 Comcast's franchise
 > > >? expires.
 > > >
 > > >? Shneor Sherman
 > > >?
 --------------------------------------------
 > > >? On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson
 <rob at omsoft.com>
 > > >? wrote:
 > > >
 > > >???Subject: [Davisgig] City of
 Davis Staff Report on Broadband
 > > >? Released & Article about El Macero
 > > >???To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
 > > >? <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 > > >???Date: Monday, November 30,
 2015, 11:08 AM
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ???Hi All
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ???1) Thanks to
 all your efforts, we have a council item
 > > >? on
 > > >???the consent
 > > >? ? ???calendar for
 Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend Davis
 > > >? adopt
 > > >???the Yolo
 > > >? ? ???Broadband Plan
 and make a Task Force to help the city
 > > >???decide what is
 > > >? ? ???best to do for
 Davis for fiber.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ???A copy of the
 staff report is here:
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ???
 > > http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
 > > >
 tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband
 > > -Update.pdf
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ???Its a rather
 large document because it has the Yolo
 > > >???Broadband Plan
 > > >? ? ???attached to
 it. The details about the Task force are in
 > > >???the first
 > > >? ? ???pages.? I
 don't think this would have materialized
 > > >???at all at the
 > > >? ? ???City level
 without everyone being a force, and asking
 > > >???for and
 > > >? ? ???delivering on
 meetings, and Public Outreach.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ???2) An article
 about community businesses funding an
 > > >???Upgrade for El
 > > >? ? ???Macero -
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >???
 > > http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
 > > > s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ???Does anyone
 have any insight on whether this is really
 > > >? a
 > > >???Fiber
 > > >? ? ???deployment or
 just paying a deposit to fund a build out
 > > >???by Comcast?
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ???Thanks
 > > >
 > > >? ? ???--
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ???Rob
 Nickerson
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ???CEO
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ???Om
 Networks
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ???UCD
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 > > >
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 > > >???us a good
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 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >? ? ? ? ? ?
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 > > >
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 > > >
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From jmischki at dcn.davis.ca.us  Tue Dec  1 16:57:18 2015
From: jmischki at dcn.davis.ca.us (Jeff Mischkinsky)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:57:18 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City council meeting 12/01
Message-ID: <72F9512A-A97C-4461-B925-299D7EB064AF@dcn.davis.ca.us>

Hi,
    I just read through the blizzard of messages. 
   I'm available to go to the CC meeting this evening. 
(Public comment?) and advocate, if we know what it is we want. 
   Asking for specific and positive actions/goals of course works best. :-)
   Calling me is probably best at this time. 530-758-9850. 
   Cheers
    Jeff 

Jeff Mischkinsky
530-758-9850

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:32 PM, davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Fw: Broadband Update to City Council (Shneor Sherman)
>   2. Re: Davisgig Digest, Vol 13, Issue 8 (Robert Nickerson)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 00:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Shneor Sherman <szsherm at yahoo.com>
> To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
> Subject: [Davisgig] Fw: Broadband Update to City Council
> Message-ID:
>    <203398535.13755772.1449014930192.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Here's a copy of the reply I received from Diane Parro:
> 
>> --- On Tue, 12/1/15, Diane Parro <DParro at cityofdavis.org> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Diane Parro <DParro at cityofdavis.org>
>> Subject: Broadband Update to City Council
>> To: "'szsherm at yahoo.com'" <szsherm at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "Dirk Brazil" <DBrazil at cityofdavis.org>, "Rochelle Swanson" <RSwanson at cityofdavis.org>, "Robb Davis" <RDavis at cityofdavis.org>, "Lucas Frerichs" <lucasf at cityofdavis.org>, "Brett Lee" <BLee at cityofdavis.org>, "Dan Wolk" <DWolk at cityofdavis.org>, "Kelly Stachowicz" <KStachowicz at cityofdavis.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 3:06 PM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Mr. Sherman, 
>> ? 
>> I received your email from
>> our City Manager, Dirk Brazil, and appreciate your interest
>> in broadband.? I have been working very closely with
>> Rob Nickerson and a few other members of of DavisGig and
>> have attended the community meetings that
>> have occurred since I joined the City.? They are a
>> fantastic group and we have very fortunate to have a group
>> of community advocates already working to support increasing
>> broadband service in Davis. 
>> ? 
>> I think your suggestions
>> are aligned with the recommended actions as proposed to
>> Council.? If approved, the Broadband Advisory Task
>> Force will work on the tasks as you request in your
>> email.? DavisGig is, in fact, suggested to select a
>> member to serve on the Broadband Task Force so that we may
>> have the benefit of all they have accomplished to
>> date.?
>> 
>> ? 
>> If you have more ideas or
>> suggestions to share with me about this topic, please feel
>> free to email me directly or call me at either of the
>> telephone numbers shown below. 
>> ? 
>> Many Thanks, 
>> Diane 
>> ? 
>> 
>> ? 
>> Diane Parro 
>> Chief Innovation
>> Officer 
>> City of Davis 
>> (530) 747-5803 office 
>> (530) 220-3092 mobile 
>> dparro at cityofdavis.org
>> 
>> www.cityofdavis 
>> ?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:32:12 -0800
> From: Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com>
> To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com
> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 13, Issue 8
> Message-ID: <565E3C0C.6070205 at omsoft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
> 
> Hi Christine -
> 
> 
>> On 12/1/2015 1:28 PM, Christine Crawford wrote:
>> The City needs to do a detailed study that will look at the business 
>> case for a municipal fiber system. The City cannot propose a public 
>> bond measure without more detailed cost analysis to back up a bond 
>> amount, which is what is envisioned in the staff report. Or perhaps 
>> there are other financing options that need to be considered.
> We agree. We need a feasability study report weighing various options on 
> implementing fiber optic in Davis.  We are prepared to get that RFP bid 
> out and started through donations raside by our 501c3 non profit, DCN 
> and DavisGIG volunteers so this task force can review it and make 
> recommendations.
> 
> What we don't want is to get trapped in a lot of surveys, meetings, and 
> repeat a lot of what DavisGIG has already accomplished over the year, 
> and THEN put out a call for this FSR. Better save City money to go into 
> preliminary engineering of whatever the recommended option the task 
> force choses based up a thorough study of the FSR balanced against 
> finances and needs.
>> The Task Force would help provide City staff technical expertise and 
>> direction to that end. If folks want to make comments about ensuring 
>> the task force is focused on this goal and not being unproductive 
>> listening to anecdotal stories, that's fine. But asking for a delay 
>> will just be another delay.
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts.
> 
> RAN
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:15 PM, <davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com 
>> <mailto:davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com>> wrote:
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>>    Today's Topics:
>> 
>>       1. Re: City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released     &
>>          Article about El Macero (Shneor Sherman)
>> 
>> 
>>    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>>    Message: 1
>>    Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:15:21 +0000 (UTC)
>>    From: Shneor Sherman <szsherm at yahoo.com <mailto:szsherm at yahoo.com>>
>>    To: Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>,
>>          Gary Darling
>>            <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net
>>    <mailto:gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>>
>>    Cc: <davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>    Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>>            Released        &       Article about El Macero
>>    Message-ID:
>> 
>>    <1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com
>>    <mailto:1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>>
>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> 
>>    A delay is only worthwhile if the council directs city staff to
>>    work with DavisGig. Otherwise, it would most likely be wasted
>>    time. City staff are already committed to their proposal, and
>>    without direction will see no reason to change anything.
>> 
>>    Other options would be to email city council members now, to
>>    prepare them. The more emails, the better.
>> 
>>    Shneor Sherman
>>    --------------------------------------------
>>    On Tue, 12/1/15, Gary Darling <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net
>>    <mailto:gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>     Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>>    Released &     Article about El Macero
>>     To: "Robert Nickerson" <omrob at omsoft.com <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>     Cc: davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>>     Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
>> 
>>     Robert et.
>>     al,?
>>     Asking for a delay was what I was
>>     going to suggest also. A task force is a normal governmental
>>     process for an issue like this. It is not the only way to
>>     get this done but I don?t think that we can arrive at
>>     another alternative that has support even within our small
>>     group in the time remaining.
>> 
>>     ? ? ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>     ??Gary
>> 
>>     On Dec 1,
>>     2015, at 12:04 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com
>>    <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>     wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         Hi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         Thanks for your? comments on voting for a?
>>     bond Steve, I would say
>>         any regular election is great. So that adds more dates
>>     to a possible
>>         calendar aside from? 6/2016 or 6/2018.
>> 
>>         So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance
>>     that
>>         supersedes this State of California law I assume?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    http://qcode.us/codes/davis/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been
>>     involved
>>         with, we have asked the City Staff to move this forward,
>>     and
>>         expressed the urgency of the need.
>> 
>>         The task force is great, I just am concerned with what
>>     it is being
>>         asked to do right now in this staff report document.
>> 
>>         ?
>> 
>>         Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach
>>     event,
>>         interview persons, that is rehashing what has happened
>>     over this
>>         year.
>> 
>>         I think this task force should be about municipal fiber
>>     optic for
>>         Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband connection types,
>>     and gather
>>         lots of subjective
>> 
>>         ?anecdotal comments about peoples broadband
>>     experiences.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some
>>     time to work
>>         with Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and
>>     what it hopes
>>         to accomplish.
>> 
>>         Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments
>>     to the
>>         scope and work of the task force either before its voted
>>     on tonight,
>>         at
>> 
>>         ?public comment or asking it be postponed?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill?
>>     post after that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         Thanks
>> 
>>         RAN
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         On 12/1/2015
>>     10:12 AM, Douglas A.
>>           Walter wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>           In no way attacking City
>>     staff or Gary Darling, I think this
>>             advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of
>>     a gigabit
>>             municipal fiber network.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>           I'm not sold on my
>>     "better alternative," but since the slow
>>             task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this
>>     instead:
>>           This
>>               proposal calls for a second timeline to be started
>>     in July,
>>               2016 for policy revisions, public hearings,
>>     etc.?That's going
>>               to mean the City will have nothing in place for
>>     when the
>>               Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The
>>     City Council
>>               should instead direct staff to explore a revenue
>>     bond or
>>               utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit
>>     fiber to the
>>               home (and office and school, etc.).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>           Thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>               On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57
>>     AM, Gary Darling wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                 It?s the
>>                   role of staff to offer alternatives to the
>>     council and I
>>                   too have found them to be very professional.
>>     Given the
>>                   many ways that this network might play out it
>>     is wise to
>>                   have a citizen?s advisory body with
>>     technical expertise
>>                   appointed and up to speed. The task force is a
>>     reasonable
>>                   thing to form at this juncture - I think we
>>     should have
>>                   asked for this body early on to avoid the
>>     timing problems
>>                   that now face the city. If we ask to take the
>>     task force
>>                   item off of the consent calendar we will need
>>     to decide
>>                   what we would ask for instead and have broad
>>     agreement
>>                   between us on the new strategy. If someone has
>>     an
>>                   alternative suggest it now, and let?s
>>     discuss. Otherwise
>>                   we should just let the task force go forward
>>     as a consent
>>                   item and do what we can to assure that the
>>     group serves
>>                   the public good.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                   ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ?
>>                     ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ??Gary
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                         On Dec 1,
>>     2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve
>>                           McMahon <steve at dcn.org <mailto:steve at dcn.org>>
>>                           wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                           The composition of the
>>                             task force will also be very
>>     important, and we
>>                             should keep an eye on the selection
>>     process.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                             In
>>     particular, we'll want to make
>>                               sure that nobody is appointed who
>>     has a direct
>>                               or indirect financial connection
>>     to the cable
>>                               industry or works in any position
>>     funded via
>>                               cable franchise funds.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                             On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at
>>                               2:03 AM, Russell Neches
>>    <russell at vort.org <mailto:russell at vort.org>>
>>                               wrote:
>> 
>>                               I agree
>>     with
>>                                 this general assessment. I have
>>     alway been
>>                                 taken aback by
>> 
>>                                 how conservative the city staff
>>     is. It makes
>>                                 for a weird contrast with
>> 
>>                                 the city polity. They are,
>>     nevertheless,
>>                                 extremely professional.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                                 It's critical to have
>>     support of the
>>                                 Council, preferably
>>     unanimously.
>> 
>>                                 If there are any council members
>>     opposed, we
>>                                 need to figure out why,
>> 
>>                                 and what to do about it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                                     Russell
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                                     On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09
>>     +0000,
>>                                     Shneor Sherman via Davisgig
>>     wrote:
>> 
>>> Once again, I have to
>>     say that if
>>                                     individual city council
>>     members are
>> 
>>> not on board, nothing
>>     will
>>                                     happen.If anyone is
>>     acquainted with any
>> 
>>> city council member,
>>     please have a
>>                                     conversation with them about
>>     this.
>> 
>>> We have made a pretty
>>     good rough
>>                                     cost estimate of $30
>>     million. We
>> 
>>> don't necessarily
>>     need a bond, as a
>>                                     utility tax will do just as
>>     well.
>> 
>>> The franchise, as far
>>     as I
>>                                     understand, applies just to
>>     the city and
>> 
>>> school district.
>>     Pulling the item
>>                                     off the consent
>>     calendar? is
>> 
>>> definitely the best way
>>     to go. City
>>                                     staff might be pro
>>     comcast
>> 
>>> (status quo), if they
>>     have any
>>                                     position at all. That's
>>     why educated
>> 
>>> city council direction
>>     is vital.
>> 
>> 
>>> Shneor Sherman
>> 
>> 
>>     --------------------------------------------
>> 
>>> On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve
>>     McMahon
>>                                     <steve at dcn.org
>>    <mailto:steve at dcn.org>>
>>                                     wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> ? Subject: Re:
>>     [Davisgig] City of
>>                                     Davis Staff Report on
>>     Broadband
>> 
>>> Released & Article
>>     about El
>>                                     Macero
>> 
>>> ? To: "Robert
>>     Nickerson @ Omsoft"
>>                                     <omrob at omsoft.com
>>    <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>> 
>>> ? Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>    <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
>>                                     <davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>    <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>> 
>>> ? Date: Monday,
>>     November 30, 2015,
>>                                     9:56 PM
>> 
>> 
>>> ? I think
>> 
>>> ? the possibility
>>     of a Spring 2016
>>                                     measure was ruled out the
>> 
>>> ? moment that we
>>     knew we would have
>>                                     other financial matters
>>     on
>> 
>>> ? the ballot.
>>     Nobody wants multiple
>>                                     tax measures before the
>> 
>>> ? voters at the
>>     same time. The risk
>>                                     of everything failing is
>> 
>>> ? too high.
>> 
>>> ? I see this as
>>     a
>> 
>>> ? reminder that the
>>     interests of the
>>                                     institutional city and
>> 
>>> ? the staff are not
>>     identical with
>>                                     ours. We need to make
>>     sure
>> 
>>> ? that the creation
>>     of a task force
>>                                     does not eliminate or
>>     even
>> 
>>> ? reduce activist
>>     efforts. There
>>                                     needs to be some pressure
>> 
>>> ? from the outside.
>>     This will help
>>                                     keep a task force that
>>     may
>> 
>>> ? well have some
>>     pro-cable or
>>                                     anti-tax representatives
>> 
>>> ? honest.
>> 
>>> ? Whether the
>> 
>>> ? item gets pulled
>>     from consent or
>>                                     not, I don't think it
>> 
>>> ? would hurt to
>>     have some speakers
>>                                     pushing for an aggressive
>> 
>>> ? timetable and a
>>     high priority.
>> 
>>> ? On Mon, Nov 30,
>>     2015 at
>> 
>>> ? 9:24 PM, Robert
>>     Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>> 
>>> ? wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     Hi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     Yeah so anyone else please
>>                                     give it a neutral read,
>>     is
>> 
>>> ? our
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     characterization misplaced, in
>>                                     regards to this report
>> 
>>> ? ?? Don't
>>     want
>> 
>>> ? ? ? to
>>     mess up our graduation to
>>                                     task force status,
>> 
>>> ? but...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     Could be we have to queue up
>>                                     in the public comment
>> 
>>> ? tomorrow and
>>     ask
>> 
>>> ? ? ? to
>>     be removed from consent.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     I've emailed the city staff
>>                                     about the document and
>> 
>>> ? its priorities
>>     to
>> 
>>> ? ? ? see
>>     if I can get more
>>                                     understanding and clarity
>> 
>>> ? verbally.
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     I'll post results tomorrow.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     Thanks
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     RAN
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ? On
>>     11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas
>>                                     A.
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? Walter wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? Hi. It seems clear to me
>>                                     that we should
>> 
>>> ? not let the
>>     current
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? Council accept the staff
>>                                     recommendation. I would
>> 
>>> ? argue that in
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? 2018, when the Comcast
>>                                     franchise agreement
>>     expires,
>> 
>>> ? the
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? City+Schools will feel
>>                                     desperate to assure that
>> 
>>> ? their pipes to
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? the Internet don't get cut
>>                                     off (or busted back
>> 
>>> ? to modem
>>     speeds),
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? and that will help
>>                                     Comcast's negotiating
>> 
>>> ? position on
>>     franchise
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? renewal. I haven't taken
>>                                     the time to read the
>> 
>>> ? report, but
>>     does
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? it not sound like this is
>>                                     a very important deciding
>> 
>>> ? point?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? I'd say NO to the timeline,
>>                                     and no to the
>> 
>>> ? Task Force as
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? proposed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53
>>                                     PM, Robert
>> 
>>> ? Nickerson
>>     wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ?Hi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? I can only agree on
>>                                     that, now that I have
>>     read
>> 
>>> ? this over.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? The last interactions
>>                                     I've had with the
>>     City
>> 
>>> ? Staff have
>>     been
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? negative
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? on having a June 2016
>>                                     vote because of the
>> 
>>> ? competing tax
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? measure,
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? ?and they suggested
>>                                     11/2016 as more
>> 
>>> ? appropriate.
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? ? ked them to look
>>                                     into the reported
>> 
>>> ? requirement that
>>     an
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? election where there
>>                                     is a bond issue
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? needed to be a city
>>                                     council election, and
>>     have
>> 
>>> ? received no
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? definitive answer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? ?Looks like this task
>>                                     force is a step back from
>> 
>>> ? even getting
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? municipal Fiber optic,
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? ?but more? focused on
>>                                     studying broadband in
>> 
>>> ? Davis,? and
>>     a
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? lot of extra effort.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? Anyone have any ideas
>>                                     on what to do with this ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? The staff report and
>>                                     recommendation will be
>> 
>>> ? presented as a
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? consent item tomorrow
>>                                     at the city council.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? P.S. How does this
>>                                     relate to the Sports
>> 
>>> ? Complex?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? On 11/30/2015 11:34
>>                                     AM, Shneor
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? ? Sherman wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ? ? ? ? The timeline will
>>                                     not allow for a 2016
>> 
>>> ? referendum or any
>>     popular vote in
>>                                     2016. This proposal calls
>> 
>>> ? for a second
>>     timeline to be
>>                                     started in July, 2016 for
>>     policy
>> 
>>> ? revisions, public
>>     hearings, etc.
>>                                     It's probably more
>> 
>>> ? realistic to look
>>     at 2018, when
>>                                     Comcast's franchise
>> 
>>> ? expires.
>> 
>> 
>>> ? Shneor Sherman
>> 
>>> ?
>> 
>>     --------------------------------------------
>> 
>>> ? On Mon, 11/30/15,
>>     Robert Nickerson
>>                                     <rob at omsoft.com
>>    <mailto:rob at omsoft.com>>
>> 
>>> ? wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ?Subject:
>>     [Davisgig] City of Davis
>>                                     Staff Report on Broadband
>> 
>>> ? Released &
>>     Article about El
>>                                     Macero
>> 
>>> ? ?To:
>>     "davisgig at list.omsoft.com <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
>> 
>>> ? <davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>    <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>> 
>>> ? ?Date:
>>     Monday, November 30, 2015,
>>                                     11:08 AM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?Hi All
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?1) Thanks to all your
>>                                     efforts, we have a council
>>     item
>> 
>>> ? on
>> 
>>> ? ?the
>>     consent
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?calendar for Tues Dec 1
>>                                     meeting to recommend
>>     Davis
>> 
>>> ? adopt
>> 
>>> ? ?the Yolo
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?Broadband Plan and make a
>>                                     Task Force to help the
>>     city
>> 
>>> ? ?decide what
>>     is
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?best to do for Davis for
>>                                     fiber.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?A copy of the staff report is
>>                                     here:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
>> 
>> 
>>     tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?Its a rather large document
>>                                     because it has the Yolo
>> 
>>> ? ?Broadband
>>     Plan
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?attached to it. The details
>>                                     about the Task force are
>>     in
>> 
>>> ? ?the
>>     first
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?pages.? I don't think this
>>                                     would have materialized
>> 
>>> ? ?at all at
>>     the
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?City level without everyone
>>                                     being a force, and asking
>> 
>>> ? ?for and
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?delivering on meetings, and
>>                                     Public Outreach.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?2) An article about community
>>                                     businesses funding an
>> 
>>> ? ?Upgrade for
>>     El
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?Macero -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ?
>>    ?http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
>> 
>>     s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?Does anyone have any insight
>>                                     on whether this is really
>> 
>>> ? a
>> 
>>> ? ?Fiber
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?deployment or just paying a
>>                                     deposit to fund a build
>>     out
>> 
>>> ? ?by
>>     Comcast?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?Thanks
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ?--
>> 
>> 
>>> ? ? ?
>>     ? ?Rob Nickerson
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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From rob at omsoft.com  Tue Dec  1 18:04:02 2015
From: rob at omsoft.com (Robert Nickerson)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 18:04:02 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City council meeting 12/01
In-Reply-To: <72F9512A-A97C-4461-B925-299D7EB064AF@dcn.davis.ca.us>
References: <72F9512A-A97C-4461-B925-299D7EB064AF@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Message-ID: <565E5192.9010409@omsoft.com>

Hi

I spoke with Brett Lee and Diane Parro.

Brett indicated that there will be flexibility within the task force and 
we will not necessarily need to rigidly follow what it put forth in this 
staff report.

Sounds like we can, at its creation meeting, "bring the group up" on 
what we have already done to move it along much more quickly,
and not necessarily carry out all the items it directs if they have been 
done this year.  Encouraging.

Diane sounded rushed, as understandable with it being right before a 
meeting, and so I didn't talk with her much,  aside from the fact that she
  was not able to get a clear answer on whether or not this needs to be 
voted on in 06.2016.

She says it  will likely be approved and not pulled from consent because 
"its a busy night," though I wouldn't know why that would be.

Whats really great is to see such a tremendous response from everyone on 
this list here, that has put care,
thought, and energy into their responses and emails to council.

So Jeff if you want to go ad make an initial public comment before 
consent calendat,, you might want to remind the council that our
citizen group has done a lot of planning and public outreach work around 
fiber optic already, and encourage
them to make sure their task force makes use of that, b/c time is of the 
essence.

Tell them too, its good for you and good for Davis.

Thx
RAN





On 12/1/2015 4:57 PM, Jeff Mischkinsky wrote:
> Hi,
>      I just read through the blizzard of messages.
>     I'm available to go to the CC meeting this evening.
> (Public comment?) and advocate, if we know what it is we want.
>     Asking for specific and positive actions/goals of course works best. :-)
>     Calling me is probably best at this time. 530-758-9850.
>     Cheers
>      Jeff
>
> Jeff Mischkinsky
> 530-758-9850
>
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:32 PM,davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Fw: Broadband Update to City Council (Shneor Sherman)
>>    2. Re: Davisgig Digest, Vol 13, Issue 8 (Robert Nickerson)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 00:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Shneor Sherman<szsherm at yahoo.com>
>> To:"davisgig at list.omsoft.com"  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>> Subject: [Davisgig] Fw: Broadband Update to City Council
>> Message-ID:
>>     <203398535.13755772.1449014930192.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Here's a copy of the reply I received from Diane Parro:
>>
>>> --- On Tue, 12/1/15, Diane Parro<DParro at cityofdavis.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Diane Parro<DParro at cityofdavis.org>
>>> Subject: Broadband Update to City Council
>>> To:"'szsherm at yahoo.com'"  <szsherm at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: "Dirk Brazil"<DBrazil at cityofdavis.org>, "Rochelle Swanson"<RSwanson at cityofdavis.org>, "Robb Davis"<RDavis at cityofdavis.org>, "Lucas Frerichs"<lucasf at cityofdavis.org>, "Brett Lee"<BLee at cityofdavis.org>, "Dan Wolk"<DWolk at cityofdavis.org>, "Kelly Stachowicz"<KStachowicz at cityofdavis.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 3:06 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Sherman,
>>> ?
>>> I received your email from
>>> our City Manager, Dirk Brazil, and appreciate your interest
>>> in broadband.? I have been working very closely with
>>> Rob Nickerson and a few other members of of DavisGig and
>>> have attended the community meetings that
>>> have occurred since I joined the City.? They are a
>>> fantastic group and we have very fortunate to have a group
>>> of community advocates already working to support increasing
>>> broadband service in Davis.
>>> ?
>>> I think your suggestions
>>> are aligned with the recommended actions as proposed to
>>> Council.? If approved, the Broadband Advisory Task
>>> Force will work on the tasks as you request in your
>>> email.? DavisGig is, in fact, suggested to select a
>>> member to serve on the Broadband Task Force so that we may
>>> have the benefit of all they have accomplished to
>>> date.?
>>>
>>> ?
>>> If you have more ideas or
>>> suggestions to share with me about this topic, please feel
>>> free to email me directly or call me at either of the
>>> telephone numbers shown below.
>>> ?
>>> Many Thanks,
>>> Diane
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Diane Parro
>>> Chief Innovation
>>> Officer
>>> City of Davis
>>> (530) 747-5803 office
>>> (530) 220-3092 mobile
>>> dparro at cityofdavis.org
>>>
>>> www.cityofdavis  
>>> ?
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:32:12 -0800
>> From: Robert Nickerson<rob at omsoft.com>
>> To:davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 13, Issue 8
>> Message-ID:<565E3C0C.6070205 at omsoft.com>
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>> Hi Christine -
>>
>>
>>> On 12/1/2015 1:28 PM, Christine Crawford wrote:
>>> The City needs to do a detailed study that will look at the business
>>> case for a municipal fiber system. The City cannot propose a public
>>> bond measure without more detailed cost analysis to back up a bond
>>> amount, which is what is envisioned in the staff report. Or perhaps
>>> there are other financing options that need to be considered.
>> We agree. We need a feasability study report weighing various options on
>> implementing fiber optic in Davis.  We are prepared to get that RFP bid
>> out and started through donations raside by our 501c3 non profit, DCN
>> and DavisGIG volunteers so this task force can review it and make
>> recommendations.
>>
>> What we don't want is to get trapped in a lot of surveys, meetings, and
>> repeat a lot of what DavisGIG has already accomplished over the year,
>> and THEN put out a call for this FSR. Better save City money to go into
>> preliminary engineering of whatever the recommended option the task
>> force choses based up a thorough study of the FSR balanced against
>> finances and needs.
>>> The Task Force would help provide City staff technical expertise and
>>> direction to that end. If folks want to make comments about ensuring
>>> the task force is focused on this goal and not being unproductive
>>> listening to anecdotal stories, that's fine. But asking for a delay
>>> will just be another delay.
>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>
>> RAN
>>
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>>>        1. Re: City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released     &
>>>           Article about El Macero (Shneor Sherman)
>>>
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>>>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>     Message: 1
>>>     Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:15:21 +0000 (UTC)
>>>     From: Shneor Sherman <szsherm at yahoo.com  <mailto:szsherm at yahoo.com>>
>>>     To: Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com  <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>,
>>>           Gary Darling
>>>             <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net
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>>>     Cc: <davisgig at list.omsoft.com  <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>     Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>>>             Released        &       Article about El Macero
>>>     Message-ID:
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>>>     A delay is only worthwhile if the council directs city staff to
>>>     work with DavisGig. Otherwise, it would most likely be wasted
>>>     time. City staff are already committed to their proposal, and
>>>     without direction will see no reason to change anything.
>>>
>>>     Other options would be to email city council members now, to
>>>     prepare them. The more emails, the better.
>>>
>>>     Shneor Sherman
>>>     --------------------------------------------
>>>     On Tue, 12/1/15, Gary Darling <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net
>>>     <mailto:gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>      Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>>>     Released &     Article about El Macero
>>>      To: "Robert Nickerson" <omrob at omsoft.com  <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>      Cc:davisgig at list.omsoft.com  <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>>>      Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
>>>
>>>      Robert et.
>>>      al,?
>>>      Asking for a delay was what I was
>>>      going to suggest also. A task force is a normal governmental
>>>      process for an issue like this. It is not the only way to
>>>      get this done but I don?t think that we can arrive at
>>>      another alternative that has support even within our small
>>>      group in the time remaining.
>>>
>>>      ? ? ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>      ??Gary
>>>
>>>      On Dec 1,
>>>      2015, at 12:04 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com
>>>     <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>      wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>          Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>          Thanks for your? comments on voting for a?
>>>      bond Steve, I would say
>>>          any regular election is great. So that adds more dates
>>>      to a possible
>>>          calendar aside from? 6/2016 or 6/2018.
>>>
>>>          So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance
>>>      that
>>>          supersedes this State of California law I assume?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     http://qcode.us/codes/davis/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>          Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been
>>>      involved
>>>          with, we have asked the City Staff to move this forward,
>>>      and
>>>          expressed the urgency of the need.
>>>
>>>          The task force is great, I just am concerned with what
>>>      it is being
>>>          asked to do right now in this staff report document.
>>>
>>>          ?
>>>
>>>          Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach
>>>      event,
>>>          interview persons, that is rehashing what has happened
>>>      over this
>>>          year.
>>>
>>>          I think this task force should be about municipal fiber
>>>      optic for
>>>          Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband connection types,
>>>      and gather
>>>          lots of subjective
>>>
>>>          ?anecdotal comments about peoples broadband
>>>      experiences.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>          So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some
>>>      time to work
>>>          with Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and
>>>      what it hopes
>>>          to accomplish.
>>>
>>>          Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments
>>>      to the
>>>          scope and work of the task force either before its voted
>>>      on tonight,
>>>          at
>>>
>>>          ?public comment or asking it be postponed?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>          I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill?
>>>      post after that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>          Thanks
>>>
>>>          RAN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>          On 12/1/2015
>>>      10:12 AM, Douglas A.
>>>            Walter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>            In no way attacking City
>>>      staff or Gary Darling, I think this
>>>              advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of
>>>      a gigabit
>>>              municipal fiber network.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>            I'm not sold on my
>>>      "better alternative," but since the slow
>>>              task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this
>>>      instead:
>>>            This
>>>                proposal calls for a second timeline to be started
>>>      in July,
>>>                2016 for policy revisions, public hearings,
>>>      etc.?That's going
>>>                to mean the City will have nothing in place for
>>>      when the
>>>                Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The
>>>      City Council
>>>                should instead direct staff to explore a revenue
>>>      bond or
>>>                utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit
>>>      fiber to the
>>>                home (and office and school, etc.).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>            Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57
>>>      AM, Gary Darling wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                  It?s the
>>>                    role of staff to offer alternatives to the
>>>      council and I
>>>                    too have found them to be very professional.
>>>      Given the
>>>                    many ways that this network might play out it
>>>      is wise to
>>>                    have a citizen?s advisory body with
>>>      technical expertise
>>>                    appointed and up to speed. The task force is a
>>>      reasonable
>>>                    thing to form at this juncture - I think we
>>>      should have
>>>                    asked for this body early on to avoid the
>>>      timing problems
>>>                    that now face the city. If we ask to take the
>>>      task force
>>>                    item off of the consent calendar we will need
>>>      to decide
>>>                    what we would ask for instead and have broad
>>>      agreement
>>>                    between us on the new strategy. If someone has
>>>      an
>>>                    alternative suggest it now, and let?s
>>>      discuss. Otherwise
>>>                    we should just let the task force go forward
>>>      as a consent
>>>                    item and do what we can to assure that the
>>>      group serves
>>>                    the public good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                    ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ?
>>>                      ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ??Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                          On Dec 1,
>>>      2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve
>>>                            McMahon <steve at dcn.org  <mailto:steve at dcn.org>>
>>>                            wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                            The composition of the
>>>                              task force will also be very
>>>      important, and we
>>>                              should keep an eye on the selection
>>>      process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                              In
>>>      particular, we'll want to make
>>>                                sure that nobody is appointed who
>>>      has a direct
>>>                                or indirect financial connection
>>>      to the cable
>>>                                industry or works in any position
>>>      funded via
>>>                                cable franchise funds.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                              On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at
>>>                                2:03 AM, Russell Neches
>>>     <russell at vort.org  <mailto:russell at vort.org>>
>>>                                wrote:
>>>
>>>                                I agree
>>>      with
>>>                                  this general assessment. I have
>>>      alway been
>>>                                  taken aback by
>>>
>>>                                  how conservative the city staff
>>>      is. It makes
>>>                                  for a weird contrast with
>>>
>>>                                  the city polity. They are,
>>>      nevertheless,
>>>                                  extremely professional.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                  It's critical to have
>>>      support of the
>>>                                  Council, preferably
>>>      unanimously.
>>>
>>>                                  If there are any council members
>>>      opposed, we
>>>                                  need to figure out why,
>>>
>>>                                  and what to do about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      Russell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09
>>>      +0000,
>>>                                      Shneor Sherman via Davisgig
>>>      wrote:
>>>
>>>> Once again, I have to
>>>      say that if
>>>                                      individual city council
>>>      members are
>>>
>>>> not on board, nothing
>>>      will
>>>                                      happen.If anyone is
>>>      acquainted with any
>>>
>>>> city council member,
>>>      please have a
>>>                                      conversation with them about
>>>      this.
>>>
>>>> We have made a pretty
>>>      good rough
>>>                                      cost estimate of $30
>>>      million. We
>>>
>>>> don't necessarily
>>>      need a bond, as a
>>>                                      utility tax will do just as
>>>      well.
>>>
>>>> The franchise, as far
>>>      as I
>>>                                      understand, applies just to
>>>      the city and
>>>
>>>> school district.
>>>      Pulling the item
>>>                                      off the consent
>>>      calendar? is
>>>
>>>> definitely the best way
>>>      to go. City
>>>                                      staff might be pro
>>>      comcast
>>>
>>>> (status quo), if they
>>>      have any
>>>                                      position at all. That's
>>>      why educated
>>>
>>>> city council direction
>>>      is vital.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Shneor Sherman
>>>      --------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve
>>>      McMahon
>>>                                      <steve at dcn.org
>>>     <mailto:steve at dcn.org>>
>>>                                      wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? Subject: Re:
>>>      [Davisgig] City of
>>>                                      Davis Staff Report on
>>>      Broadband
>>>
>>>> Released & Article
>>>      about El
>>>                                      Macero
>>>
>>>> ? To: "Robert
>>>      Nickerson @ Omsoft"
>>>                                      <omrob at omsoft.com
>>>     <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>
>>>> ? Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>>     <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
>>>                                      <davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>>     <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>
>>>> ? Date: Monday,
>>>      November 30, 2015,
>>>                                      9:56 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? I think
>>>> ? the possibility
>>>      of a Spring 2016
>>>                                      measure was ruled out the
>>>
>>>> ? moment that we
>>>      knew we would have
>>>                                      other financial matters
>>>      on
>>>
>>>> ? the ballot.
>>>      Nobody wants multiple
>>>                                      tax measures before the
>>>
>>>> ? voters at the
>>>      same time. The risk
>>>                                      of everything failing is
>>>
>>>> ? too high.
>>>> ? I see this as
>>>      a
>>>
>>>> ? reminder that the
>>>      interests of the
>>>                                      institutional city and
>>>
>>>> ? the staff are not
>>>      identical with
>>>                                      ours. We need to make
>>>      sure
>>>
>>>> ? that the creation
>>>      of a task force
>>>                                      does not eliminate or
>>>      even
>>>
>>>> ? reduce activist
>>>      efforts. There
>>>                                      needs to be some pressure
>>>
>>>> ? from the outside.
>>>      This will help
>>>                                      keep a task force that
>>>      may
>>>
>>>> ? well have some
>>>      pro-cable or
>>>                                      anti-tax representatives
>>>
>>>> ? honest.
>>>> ? Whether the
>>>> ? item gets pulled
>>>      from consent or
>>>                                      not, I don't think it
>>>
>>>> ? would hurt to
>>>      have some speakers
>>>                                      pushing for an aggressive
>>>
>>>> ? timetable and a
>>>      high priority.
>>>
>>>> ? On Mon, Nov 30,
>>>      2015 at
>>>
>>>> ? 9:24 PM, Robert
>>>      Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com  <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>
>>>> ? wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      Yeah so anyone else please
>>>                                      give it a neutral read,
>>>      is
>>>
>>>> ? our
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      characterization misplaced, in
>>>                                      regards to this report
>>>
>>>> ? ?? Don't
>>>      want
>>>
>>>> ? ? ? to
>>>      mess up our graduation to
>>>                                      task force status,
>>>
>>>> ? but...
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      Could be we have to queue up
>>>                                      in the public comment
>>>
>>>> ? tomorrow and
>>>      ask
>>>
>>>> ? ? ? to
>>>      be removed from consent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      I've emailed the city staff
>>>                                      about the document and
>>>
>>>> ? its priorities
>>>      to
>>>
>>>> ? ? ? see
>>>      if I can get more
>>>                                      understanding and clarity
>>>
>>>> ? verbally.
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      I'll post results tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      RAN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ? On
>>>      11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas
>>>                                      A.
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? Walter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? Hi. It seems clear to me
>>>                                      that we should
>>>
>>>> ? not let the
>>>      current
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? Council accept the staff
>>>                                      recommendation. I would
>>>
>>>> ? argue that in
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? 2018, when the Comcast
>>>                                      franchise agreement
>>>      expires,
>>>
>>>> ? the
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? City+Schools will feel
>>>                                      desperate to assure that
>>>
>>>> ? their pipes to
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? the Internet don't get cut
>>>                                      off (or busted back
>>>
>>>> ? to modem
>>>      speeds),
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? and that will help
>>>                                      Comcast's negotiating
>>>
>>>> ? position on
>>>      franchise
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? renewal. I haven't taken
>>>                                      the time to read the
>>>
>>>> ? report, but
>>>      does
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? it not sound like this is
>>>                                      a very important deciding
>>>
>>>> ? point?
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? I'd say NO to the timeline,
>>>                                      and no to the
>>>
>>>> ? Task Force as
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? proposed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53
>>>                                      PM, Robert
>>>
>>>> ? Nickerson
>>>      wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ?Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? I can only agree on
>>>                                      that, now that I have
>>>      read
>>>
>>>> ? this over.
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? The last interactions
>>>                                      I've had with the
>>>      City
>>>
>>>> ? Staff have
>>>      been
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? negative
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? on having a June 2016
>>>                                      vote because of the
>>>
>>>> ? competing tax
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? measure,
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? ?and they suggested
>>>                                      11/2016 as more
>>>
>>>> ? appropriate.
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? ? ked them to look
>>>                                      into the reported
>>>
>>>> ? requirement that
>>>      an
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? election where there
>>>                                      is a bond issue
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? needed to be a city
>>>                                      council election, and
>>>      have
>>>
>>>> ? received no
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? definitive answer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? ?Looks like this task
>>>                                      force is a step back from
>>>
>>>> ? even getting
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? municipal Fiber optic,
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? ?but more? focused on
>>>                                      studying broadband in
>>>
>>>> ? Davis,? and
>>>      a
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? lot of extra effort.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? Anyone have any ideas
>>>                                      on what to do with this ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? The staff report and
>>>                                      recommendation will be
>>>
>>>> ? presented as a
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? consent item tomorrow
>>>                                      at the city council.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? P.S. How does this
>>>                                      relate to the Sports
>>>
>>>> ? Complex?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? On 11/30/2015 11:34
>>>                                      AM, Shneor
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? ? Sherman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ? ? ? ? ? The timeline will
>>>                                      not allow for a 2016
>>>
>>>> ? referendum or any
>>>      popular vote in
>>>                                      2016. This proposal calls
>>>
>>>> ? for a second
>>>      timeline to be
>>>                                      started in July, 2016 for
>>>      policy
>>>
>>>> ? revisions, public
>>>      hearings, etc.
>>>                                      It's probably more
>>>
>>>> ? realistic to look
>>>      at 2018, when
>>>                                      Comcast's franchise
>>>
>>>> ? expires.
>>>> ? Shneor Sherman
>>>> ?
>>>      --------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> ? On Mon, 11/30/15,
>>>      Robert Nickerson
>>>                                      <rob at omsoft.com
>>>     <mailto:rob at omsoft.com>>
>>>
>>>> ? wrote:
>>>> ? ?Subject:
>>>      [Davisgig] City of Davis
>>>                                      Staff Report on Broadband
>>>
>>>> ? Released &
>>>      Article about El
>>>                                      Macero
>>>
>>>> ? ?To:
>>>      "davisgig at list.omsoft.com  <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
>>>
>>>> ? <davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>>     <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>
>>>> ? ?Date:
>>>      Monday, November 30, 2015,
>>>                                      11:08 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?Hi All
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?1) Thanks to all your
>>>                                      efforts, we have a council
>>>      item
>>>
>>>> ? on
>>>> ? ?the
>>>      consent
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?calendar for Tues Dec 1
>>>                                      meeting to recommend
>>>      Davis
>>>
>>>> ? adopt
>>>> ? ?the Yolo
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?Broadband Plan and make a
>>>                                      Task Force to help the
>>>      city
>>>
>>>> ? ?decide what
>>>      is
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?best to do for Davis for
>>>                                      fiber.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?A copy of the staff report is
>>>                                      here:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
>>>
>>>
>>>      tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?Its a rather large document
>>>                                      because it has the Yolo
>>>
>>>> ? ?Broadband
>>>      Plan
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?attached to it. The details
>>>                                      about the Task force are
>>>      in
>>>
>>>> ? ?the
>>>      first
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?pages.? I don't think this
>>>                                      would have materialized
>>>
>>>> ? ?at all at
>>>      the
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?City level without everyone
>>>                                      being a force, and asking
>>>
>>>> ? ?for and
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?delivering on meetings, and
>>>                                      Public Outreach.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?2) An article about community
>>>                                      businesses funding an
>>>
>>>> ? ?Upgrade for
>>>      El
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?Macero -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ?
>>>     ?http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
>>>
>>>      s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?Does anyone have any insight
>>>                                      on whether this is really
>>>
>>>> ? a
>>>> ? ?Fiber
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?deployment or just paying a
>>>                                      deposit to fund a build
>>>      out
>>>
>>>> ? ?by
>>>      Comcast?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>> ? ? ?
>>>      ?--
>>>
>>>
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>>>      ? ?Rob Nickerson
>>>
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From jmischki at dcn.davis.ca.us  Tue Dec  1 18:14:36 2015
From: jmischki at dcn.davis.ca.us (Jeff Mischkinsky)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 18:14:36 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City council meeting 12/01
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3418.1449021847.2056.davisgig@list.omsoft.com>
References: <mailman.3418.1449021847.2056.davisgig@list.omsoft.com>
Message-ID: <4276311D-42A6-4072-89F4-E691FA2F6098@dcn.davis.ca.us>

hi,
   I?ll go done there and say something along the lines that
I saw this item was on the consent calendar and that while i like the direction
I have some concerns about the ?charter? and ?make up? of the TF.
   Namely:
     It seems like fiber to davis residences and business ought to be explicitly called out in the TF?s charge. This is going to be very important, etc.  Especially to people like me who are doomed to very slow broadband speed even because i live in east davis and ATT refuses to upgrade their infrastructure ? takes me 3 hours to download a MacOS/ios update. Comcast is instituting data caps nationwide.
   Also there ought to be more public participation than is currently called for as this issue directly affects many, many people who are currently paying through the nose for low speed internet.

  So i?d like to ask the Council to address these concerns before the TF?s charter is ?set in stone?.

   and just leave it at that.

cheers,
 jeff
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 18:04:02 -0800
> From: Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com>
> To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com, Matthews Williams <mattwill at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City council meeting 12/01
> Message-ID: <565E5192.9010409 at omsoft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
> 
> Hi
> 
> I spoke with Brett Lee and Diane Parro.
> 
> Brett indicated that there will be flexibility within the task force and 
> we will not necessarily need to rigidly follow what it put forth in this 
> staff report.
> 
> Sounds like we can, at its creation meeting, "bring the group up" on 
> what we have already done to move it along much more quickly,
> and not necessarily carry out all the items it directs if they have been 
> done this year.  Encouraging.
> 
> Diane sounded rushed, as understandable with it being right before a 
> meeting, and so I didn't talk with her much,  aside from the fact that she
>  was not able to get a clear answer on whether or not this needs to be 
> voted on in 06.2016.
> 
> She says it  will likely be approved and not pulled from consent because 
> "its a busy night," though I wouldn't know why that would be.
> 
> Whats really great is to see such a tremendous response from everyone on 
> this list here, that has put care,
> thought, and energy into their responses and emails to council.
> 
> So Jeff if you want to go ad make an initial public comment before 
> consent calendat,, you might want to remind the council that our
> citizen group has done a lot of planning and public outreach work around 
> fiber optic already, and encourage
> them to make sure their task force makes use of that, b/c time is of the 
> essence.
> 
> Tell them too, its good for you and good for Davis.
> 
> Thx
> RAN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2015 4:57 PM, Jeff Mischkinsky wrote:
>> Hi,
>>     I just read through the blizzard of messages.
>>    I'm available to go to the CC meeting this evening.
>> (Public comment?) and advocate, if we know what it is we want.
>>    Asking for specific and positive actions/goals of course works best. :-)
>>    Calling me is probably best at this time. 530-758-9850.
>>    Cheers
>>     Jeff
>> 
>> Jeff Mischkinsky
>> 530-758-9850
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:32 PM,davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>>   1. Fw: Broadband Update to City Council (Shneor Sherman)
>>>   2. Re: Davisgig Digest, Vol 13, Issue 8 (Robert Nickerson)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 00:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: Shneor Sherman<szsherm at yahoo.com>
>>> To:"davisgig at list.omsoft.com"  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>>> Subject: [Davisgig] Fw: Broadband Update to City Council
>>> Message-ID:
>>>    <203398535.13755772.1449014930192.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> Here's a copy of the reply I received from Diane Parro:
>>> 
>>>> --- On Tue, 12/1/15, Diane Parro<DParro at cityofdavis.org>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Diane Parro<DParro at cityofdavis.org>
>>>> Subject: Broadband Update to City Council
>>>> To:"'szsherm at yahoo.com'"  <szsherm at yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: "Dirk Brazil"<DBrazil at cityofdavis.org>, "Rochelle Swanson"<RSwanson at cityofdavis.org>, "Robb Davis"<RDavis at cityofdavis.org>, "Lucas Frerichs"<lucasf at cityofdavis.org>, "Brett Lee"<BLee at cityofdavis.org>, "Dan Wolk"<DWolk at cityofdavis.org>, "Kelly Stachowicz"<KStachowicz at cityofdavis.org>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 3:06 PM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Mr. Sherman,
>>>> ?
>>>> I received your email from
>>>> our City Manager, Dirk Brazil, and appreciate your interest
>>>> in broadband.? I have been working very closely with
>>>> Rob Nickerson and a few other members of of DavisGig and
>>>> have attended the community meetings that
>>>> have occurred since I joined the City.? They are a
>>>> fantastic group and we have very fortunate to have a group
>>>> of community advocates already working to support increasing
>>>> broadband service in Davis.
>>>> ?
>>>> I think your suggestions
>>>> are aligned with the recommended actions as proposed to
>>>> Council.? If approved, the Broadband Advisory Task
>>>> Force will work on the tasks as you request in your
>>>> email.? DavisGig is, in fact, suggested to select a
>>>> member to serve on the Broadband Task Force so that we may
>>>> have the benefit of all they have accomplished to
>>>> date.?
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> If you have more ideas or
>>>> suggestions to share with me about this topic, please feel
>>>> free to email me directly or call me at either of the
>>>> telephone numbers shown below.
>>>> ?
>>>> Many Thanks,
>>>> Diane
>>>> ?
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Diane Parro
>>>> Chief Innovation
>>>> Officer
>>>> City of Davis
>>>> (530) 747-5803 office
>>>> (530) 220-3092 mobile
>>>> dparro at cityofdavis.org
>>>> 
>>>> www.cityofdavis  
>>>> ?
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:32:12 -0800
>>> From: Robert Nickerson<rob at omsoft.com>
>>> To:davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 13, Issue 8
>>> Message-ID:<565E3C0C.6070205 at omsoft.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
>>> 
>>> Hi Christine -
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 12/1/2015 1:28 PM, Christine Crawford wrote:
>>>> The City needs to do a detailed study that will look at the business
>>>> case for a municipal fiber system. The City cannot propose a public
>>>> bond measure without more detailed cost analysis to back up a bond
>>>> amount, which is what is envisioned in the staff report. Or perhaps
>>>> there are other financing options that need to be considered.
>>> We agree. We need a feasability study report weighing various options on
>>> implementing fiber optic in Davis.  We are prepared to get that RFP bid
>>> out and started through donations raside by our 501c3 non profit, DCN
>>> and DavisGIG volunteers so this task force can review it and make
>>> recommendations.
>>> 
>>> What we don't want is to get trapped in a lot of surveys, meetings, and
>>> repeat a lot of what DavisGIG has already accomplished over the year,
>>> and THEN put out a call for this FSR. Better save City money to go into
>>> preliminary engineering of whatever the recommended option the task
>>> force choses based up a thorough study of the FSR balanced against
>>> finances and needs.
>>>> The Task Force would help provide City staff technical expertise and
>>>> direction to that end. If folks want to make comments about ensuring
>>>> the task force is focused on this goal and not being unproductive
>>>> listening to anecdotal stories, that's fine. But asking for a delay
>>>> will just be another delay.
>>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>> 
>>> RAN
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:15 PM, <davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com  
>>>> <mailto:davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com>> wrote:
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>>>> 
>>>>    Today's Topics:
>>>> 
>>>>       1. Re: City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released     &
>>>>          Article about El Macero (Shneor Sherman)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>>    Message: 1
>>>>    Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:15:21 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>    From: Shneor Sherman <szsherm at yahoo.com  <mailto:szsherm at yahoo.com>>
>>>>    To: Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com  <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>,
>>>>          Gary Darling
>>>>            <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net
>>>>    <mailto:gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>>
>>>>    Cc: <davisgig at list.omsoft.com  <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>>    Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>>>>            Released        &       Article about El Macero
>>>>    Message-ID:
>>>> 
>>>>    <1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com
>>>>    <mailto:1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>>
>>>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>> 
>>>>    A delay is only worthwhile if the council directs city staff to
>>>>    work with DavisGig. Otherwise, it would most likely be wasted
>>>>    time. City staff are already committed to their proposal, and
>>>>    without direction will see no reason to change anything.
>>>> 
>>>>    Other options would be to email city council members now, to
>>>>    prepare them. The more emails, the better.
>>>> 
>>>>    Shneor Sherman
>>>>    --------------------------------------------
>>>>    On Tue, 12/1/15, Gary Darling <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net
>>>>    <mailto:gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>     Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>>>>    Released &     Article about El Macero
>>>>     To: "Robert Nickerson" <omrob at omsoft.com  <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>>     Cc:davisgig at list.omsoft.com  <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>>>>     Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
>>>> 
>>>>     Robert et.
>>>>     al,?
>>>>     Asking for a delay was what I was
>>>>     going to suggest also. A task force is a normal governmental
>>>>     process for an issue like this. It is not the only way to
>>>>     get this done but I don?t think that we can arrive at
>>>>     another alternative that has support even within our small
>>>>     group in the time remaining.
>>>> 
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ??Gary
>>>> 
>>>>     On Dec 1,
>>>>     2015, at 12:04 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com
>>>>    <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>>     wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         Hi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         Thanks for your? comments on voting for a?
>>>>     bond Steve, I would say
>>>>         any regular election is great. So that adds more dates
>>>>     to a possible
>>>>         calendar aside from? 6/2016 or 6/2018.
>>>> 
>>>>         So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance
>>>>     that
>>>>         supersedes this State of California law I assume?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    http://qcode.us/codes/davis/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been
>>>>     involved
>>>>         with, we have asked the City Staff to move this forward,
>>>>     and
>>>>         expressed the urgency of the need.
>>>> 
>>>>         The task force is great, I just am concerned with what
>>>>     it is being
>>>>         asked to do right now in this staff report document.
>>>> 
>>>>         ?
>>>> 
>>>>         Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach
>>>>     event,
>>>>         interview persons, that is rehashing what has happened
>>>>     over this
>>>>         year.
>>>> 
>>>>         I think this task force should be about municipal fiber
>>>>     optic for
>>>>         Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband connection types,
>>>>     and gather
>>>>         lots of subjective
>>>> 
>>>>         ?anecdotal comments about peoples broadband
>>>>     experiences.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some
>>>>     time to work
>>>>         with Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and
>>>>     what it hopes
>>>>         to accomplish.
>>>> 
>>>>         Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments
>>>>     to the
>>>>         scope and work of the task force either before its voted
>>>>     on tonight,
>>>>         at
>>>> 
>>>>         ?public comment or asking it be postponed?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill?
>>>>     post after that.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         Thanks
>>>> 
>>>>         RAN
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         On 12/1/2015
>>>>     10:12 AM, Douglas A.
>>>>           Walter wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>           In no way attacking City
>>>>     staff or Gary Darling, I think this
>>>>             advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of
>>>>     a gigabit
>>>>             municipal fiber network.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>           I'm not sold on my
>>>>     "better alternative," but since the slow
>>>>             task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this
>>>>     instead:
>>>>           This
>>>>               proposal calls for a second timeline to be started
>>>>     in July,
>>>>               2016 for policy revisions, public hearings,
>>>>     etc.?That's going
>>>>               to mean the City will have nothing in place for
>>>>     when the
>>>>               Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The
>>>>     City Council
>>>>               should instead direct staff to explore a revenue
>>>>     bond or
>>>>               utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit
>>>>     fiber to the
>>>>               home (and office and school, etc.).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>           Thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>               On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57
>>>>     AM, Gary Darling wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                 It?s the
>>>>                   role of staff to offer alternatives to the
>>>>     council and I
>>>>                   too have found them to be very professional.
>>>>     Given the
>>>>                   many ways that this network might play out it
>>>>     is wise to
>>>>                   have a citizen?s advisory body with
>>>>     technical expertise
>>>>                   appointed and up to speed. The task force is a
>>>>     reasonable
>>>>                   thing to form at this juncture - I think we
>>>>     should have
>>>>                   asked for this body early on to avoid the
>>>>     timing problems
>>>>                   that now face the city. If we ask to take the
>>>>     task force
>>>>                   item off of the consent calendar we will need
>>>>     to decide
>>>>                   what we would ask for instead and have broad
>>>>     agreement
>>>>                   between us on the new strategy. If someone has
>>>>     an
>>>>                   alternative suggest it now, and let?s
>>>>     discuss. Otherwise
>>>>                   we should just let the task force go forward
>>>>     as a consent
>>>>                   item and do what we can to assure that the
>>>>     group serves
>>>>                   the public good.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                   ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ?
>>>>                     ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ??Gary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                         On Dec 1,
>>>>     2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve
>>>>                           McMahon <steve at dcn.org  <mailto:steve at dcn.org>>
>>>>                           wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                           The composition of the
>>>>                             task force will also be very
>>>>     important, and we
>>>>                             should keep an eye on the selection
>>>>     process.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                             In
>>>>     particular, we'll want to make
>>>>                               sure that nobody is appointed who
>>>>     has a direct
>>>>                               or indirect financial connection
>>>>     to the cable
>>>>                               industry or works in any position
>>>>     funded via
>>>>                               cable franchise funds.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                             On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at
>>>>                               2:03 AM, Russell Neches
>>>>    <russell at vort.org  <mailto:russell at vort.org>>
>>>>                               wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>                               I agree
>>>>     with
>>>>                                 this general assessment. I have
>>>>     alway been
>>>>                                 taken aback by
>>>> 
>>>>                                 how conservative the city staff
>>>>     is. It makes
>>>>                                 for a weird contrast with
>>>> 
>>>>                                 the city polity. They are,
>>>>     nevertheless,
>>>>                                 extremely professional.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                                 It's critical to have
>>>>     support of the
>>>>                                 Council, preferably
>>>>     unanimously.
>>>> 
>>>>                                 If there are any council members
>>>>     opposed, we
>>>>                                 need to figure out why,
>>>> 
>>>>                                 and what to do about it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                                     Russell
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                                     On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09
>>>>     +0000,
>>>>                                     Shneor Sherman via Davisgig
>>>>     wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Once again, I have to
>>>>     say that if
>>>>                                     individual city council
>>>>     members are
>>>> 
>>>>> not on board, nothing
>>>>     will
>>>>                                     happen.If anyone is
>>>>     acquainted with any
>>>> 
>>>>> city council member,
>>>>     please have a
>>>>                                     conversation with them about
>>>>     this.
>>>> 
>>>>> We have made a pretty
>>>>     good rough
>>>>                                     cost estimate of $30
>>>>     million. We
>>>> 
>>>>> don't necessarily
>>>>     need a bond, as a
>>>>                                     utility tax will do just as
>>>>     well.
>>>> 
>>>>> The franchise, as far
>>>>     as I
>>>>                                     understand, applies just to
>>>>     the city and
>>>> 
>>>>> school district.
>>>>     Pulling the item
>>>>                                     off the consent
>>>>     calendar? is
>>>> 
>>>>> definitely the best way
>>>>     to go. City
>>>>                                     staff might be pro
>>>>     comcast
>>>> 
>>>>> (status quo), if they
>>>>     have any
>>>>                                     position at all. That's
>>>>     why educated
>>>> 
>>>>> city council direction
>>>>     is vital.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Shneor Sherman
>>>>     --------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve
>>>>     McMahon
>>>>                                     <steve at dcn.org
>>>>    <mailto:steve at dcn.org>>
>>>>                                     wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Subject: Re:
>>>>     [Davisgig] City of
>>>>                                     Davis Staff Report on
>>>>     Broadband
>>>> 
>>>>> Released & Article
>>>>     about El
>>>>                                     Macero
>>>> 
>>>>> ? To: "Robert
>>>>     Nickerson @ Omsoft"
>>>>                                     <omrob at omsoft.com
>>>>    <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>>>    <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
>>>>                                     <davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>>>    <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Date: Monday,
>>>>     November 30, 2015,
>>>>                                     9:56 PM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? I think
>>>>> ? the possibility
>>>>     of a Spring 2016
>>>>                                     measure was ruled out the
>>>> 
>>>>> ? moment that we
>>>>     knew we would have
>>>>                                     other financial matters
>>>>     on
>>>> 
>>>>> ? the ballot.
>>>>     Nobody wants multiple
>>>>                                     tax measures before the
>>>> 
>>>>> ? voters at the
>>>>     same time. The risk
>>>>                                     of everything failing is
>>>> 
>>>>> ? too high.
>>>>> ? I see this as
>>>>     a
>>>> 
>>>>> ? reminder that the
>>>>     interests of the
>>>>                                     institutional city and
>>>> 
>>>>> ? the staff are not
>>>>     identical with
>>>>                                     ours. We need to make
>>>>     sure
>>>> 
>>>>> ? that the creation
>>>>     of a task force
>>>>                                     does not eliminate or
>>>>     even
>>>> 
>>>>> ? reduce activist
>>>>     efforts. There
>>>>                                     needs to be some pressure
>>>> 
>>>>> ? from the outside.
>>>>     This will help
>>>>                                     keep a task force that
>>>>     may
>>>> 
>>>>> ? well have some
>>>>     pro-cable or
>>>>                                     anti-tax representatives
>>>> 
>>>>> ? honest.
>>>>> ? Whether the
>>>>> ? item gets pulled
>>>>     from consent or
>>>>                                     not, I don't think it
>>>> 
>>>>> ? would hurt to
>>>>     have some speakers
>>>>                                     pushing for an aggressive
>>>> 
>>>>> ? timetable and a
>>>>     high priority.
>>>> 
>>>>> ? On Mon, Nov 30,
>>>>     2015 at
>>>> 
>>>>> ? 9:24 PM, Robert
>>>>     Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com  <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>> 
>>>>> ? wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     Hi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     Yeah so anyone else please
>>>>                                     give it a neutral read,
>>>>     is
>>>> 
>>>>> ? our
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     characterization misplaced, in
>>>>                                     regards to this report
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?? Don't
>>>>     want
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ? to
>>>>     mess up our graduation to
>>>>                                     task force status,
>>>> 
>>>>> ? but...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     Could be we have to queue up
>>>>                                     in the public comment
>>>> 
>>>>> ? tomorrow and
>>>>     ask
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ? to
>>>>     be removed from consent.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     I've emailed the city staff
>>>>                                     about the document and
>>>> 
>>>>> ? its priorities
>>>>     to
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ? see
>>>>     if I can get more
>>>>                                     understanding and clarity
>>>> 
>>>>> ? verbally.
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     I'll post results tomorrow.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     RAN
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ? On
>>>>     11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas
>>>>                                     A.
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? Walter wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? Hi. It seems clear to me
>>>>                                     that we should
>>>> 
>>>>> ? not let the
>>>>     current
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? Council accept the staff
>>>>                                     recommendation. I would
>>>> 
>>>>> ? argue that in
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? 2018, when the Comcast
>>>>                                     franchise agreement
>>>>     expires,
>>>> 
>>>>> ? the
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? City+Schools will feel
>>>>                                     desperate to assure that
>>>> 
>>>>> ? their pipes to
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? the Internet don't get cut
>>>>                                     off (or busted back
>>>> 
>>>>> ? to modem
>>>>     speeds),
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? and that will help
>>>>                                     Comcast's negotiating
>>>> 
>>>>> ? position on
>>>>     franchise
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? renewal. I haven't taken
>>>>                                     the time to read the
>>>> 
>>>>> ? report, but
>>>>     does
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? it not sound like this is
>>>>                                     a very important deciding
>>>> 
>>>>> ? point?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? I'd say NO to the timeline,
>>>>                                     and no to the
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Task Force as
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? proposed.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53
>>>>                                     PM, Robert
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Nickerson
>>>>     wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ?Hi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? I can only agree on
>>>>                                     that, now that I have
>>>>     read
>>>> 
>>>>> ? this over.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? The last interactions
>>>>                                     I've had with the
>>>>     City
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Staff have
>>>>     been
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? negative
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? on having a June 2016
>>>>                                     vote because of the
>>>> 
>>>>> ? competing tax
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? measure,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ?and they suggested
>>>>                                     11/2016 as more
>>>> 
>>>>> ? appropriate.
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? ked them to look
>>>>                                     into the reported
>>>> 
>>>>> ? requirement that
>>>>     an
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? election where there
>>>>                                     is a bond issue
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? needed to be a city
>>>>                                     council election, and
>>>>     have
>>>> 
>>>>> ? received no
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? definitive answer.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ?Looks like this task
>>>>                                     force is a step back from
>>>> 
>>>>> ? even getting
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? municipal Fiber optic,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ?but more? focused on
>>>>                                     studying broadband in
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Davis,? and
>>>>     a
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? lot of extra effort.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? Anyone have any ideas
>>>>                                     on what to do with this ?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? The staff report and
>>>>                                     recommendation will be
>>>> 
>>>>> ? presented as a
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? consent item tomorrow
>>>>                                     at the city council.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? P.S. How does this
>>>>                                     relate to the Sports
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Complex?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? On 11/30/2015 11:34
>>>>                                     AM, Shneor
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? Sherman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? The timeline will
>>>>                                     not allow for a 2016
>>>> 
>>>>> ? referendum or any
>>>>     popular vote in
>>>>                                     2016. This proposal calls
>>>> 
>>>>> ? for a second
>>>>     timeline to be
>>>>                                     started in July, 2016 for
>>>>     policy
>>>> 
>>>>> ? revisions, public
>>>>     hearings, etc.
>>>>                                     It's probably more
>>>> 
>>>>> ? realistic to look
>>>>     at 2018, when
>>>>                                     Comcast's franchise
>>>> 
>>>>> ? expires.
>>>>> ? Shneor Sherman
>>>>> ?
>>>>     --------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>>> ? On Mon, 11/30/15,
>>>>     Robert Nickerson
>>>>                                     <rob at omsoft.com
>>>>    <mailto:rob at omsoft.com>>
>>>> 
>>>>> ? wrote:
>>>>> ? ?Subject:
>>>>     [Davisgig] City of Davis
>>>>                                     Staff Report on Broadband
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Released &
>>>>     Article about El
>>>>                                     Macero
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?To:
>>>>     "davisgig at list.omsoft.com  <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
>>>> 
>>>>> ? <davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>>>    <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?Date:
>>>>     Monday, November 30, 2015,
>>>>                                     11:08 AM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?Hi All
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?1) Thanks to all your
>>>>                                     efforts, we have a council
>>>>     item
>>>> 
>>>>> ? on
>>>>> ? ?the
>>>>     consent
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?calendar for Tues Dec 1
>>>>                                     meeting to recommend
>>>>     Davis
>>>> 
>>>>> ? adopt
>>>>> ? ?the Yolo
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?Broadband Plan and make a
>>>>                                     Task Force to help the
>>>>     city
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?decide what
>>>>     is
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?best to do for Davis for
>>>>                                     fiber.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?A copy of the staff report is
>>>>                                     here:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>     tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?Its a rather large document
>>>>                                     because it has the Yolo
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?Broadband
>>>>     Plan
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?attached to it. The details
>>>>                                     about the Task force are
>>>>     in
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?the
>>>>     first
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?pages.? I don't think this
>>>>                                     would have materialized
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?at all at
>>>>     the
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?City level without everyone
>>>>                                     being a force, and asking
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?for and
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?delivering on meetings, and
>>>>                                     Public Outreach.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?2) An article about community
>>>>                                     businesses funding an
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?Upgrade for
>>>>     El
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?Macero -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>>>    ?http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
>>>> 
>>>>     s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?Does anyone have any insight
>>>>                                     on whether this is really
>>>> 
>>>>> ? a
>>>>> ? ?Fiber
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?deployment or just paying a
>>>>                                     deposit to fund a build
>>>>     out
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?by
>>>>     Comcast?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?--
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ?Rob Nickerson
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From jmischki at dcn.davis.ca.us  Tue Dec  1 20:48:59 2015
From: jmischki at dcn.davis.ca.us (Jeff Mischkinsky)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 20:48:59 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City Council approves TF [was Re: City council meeting
	12/01]
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3418.1449021847.2056.davisgig@list.omsoft.com>
References: <mailman.3418.1449021847.2056.davisgig@list.omsoft.com>
Message-ID: <ECC198ED-0FD7-4613-B278-E13CFA340CBB@dcn.davis.ca.us>

hi,
   I gave my short pitch during public comment.
   Brett Lee then asked that the item be pulled from the consent calendar so he could discuss it.

   Later in the meeting he expressed his concern that the TF not feel like it is mandated to repeat work that?s already been done and that it could, if it chose, to reuse previous work (DavisGIG though he didn?t say that) has already done, and therefore could deliver its recommendations more quickly than the proposed timetable.
  The end result was to amend the the Timeline to be ?draft? with the understanding that the TF would work with staff once it is created.

  (During the break both Brett and Lucas came up to me to say they thought this was important and they shared the concerns I raised.)
  (Diane also talked with me and she was supportive as well.)

 With that modification, the council unanimously adopted the staff recommendations.

 So time to get to work!

cheers,
  jeff


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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 18:04:02 -0800
> From: Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com>
> To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com, Matthews Williams <mattwill at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City council meeting 12/01
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> Hi
> 
> I spoke with Brett Lee and Diane Parro.
> 
> Brett indicated that there will be flexibility within the task force and 
> we will not necessarily need to rigidly follow what it put forth in this 
> staff report.
> 
> Sounds like we can, at its creation meeting, "bring the group up" on 
> what we have already done to move it along much more quickly,
> and not necessarily carry out all the items it directs if they have been 
> done this year.  Encouraging.
> 
> Diane sounded rushed, as understandable with it being right before a 
> meeting, and so I didn't talk with her much,  aside from the fact that she
>  was not able to get a clear answer on whether or not this needs to be 
> voted on in 06.2016.
> 
> She says it  will likely be approved and not pulled from consent because 
> "its a busy night," though I wouldn't know why that would be.
> 
> Whats really great is to see such a tremendous response from everyone on 
> this list here, that has put care,
> thought, and energy into their responses and emails to council.
> 
> So Jeff if you want to go ad make an initial public comment before 
> consent calendat,, you might want to remind the council that our
> citizen group has done a lot of planning and public outreach work around 
> fiber optic already, and encourage
> them to make sure their task force makes use of that, b/c time is of the 
> essence.
> 
> Tell them too, its good for you and good for Davis.
> 
> Thx
> RAN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2015 4:57 PM, Jeff Mischkinsky wrote:
>> Hi,
>>     I just read through the blizzard of messages.
>>    I'm available to go to the CC meeting this evening.
>> (Public comment?) and advocate, if we know what it is we want.
>>    Asking for specific and positive actions/goals of course works best. :-)
>>    Calling me is probably best at this time. 530-758-9850.
>>    Cheers
>>     Jeff
>> 
>> Jeff Mischkinsky
>> 530-758-9850
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:32 PM,davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>>   1. Fw: Broadband Update to City Council (Shneor Sherman)
>>>   2. Re: Davisgig Digest, Vol 13, Issue 8 (Robert Nickerson)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 00:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: Shneor Sherman<szsherm at yahoo.com>
>>> To:"davisgig at list.omsoft.com"  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>>> Subject: [Davisgig] Fw: Broadband Update to City Council
>>> Message-ID:
>>>    <203398535.13755772.1449014930192.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> Here's a copy of the reply I received from Diane Parro:
>>> 
>>>> --- On Tue, 12/1/15, Diane Parro<DParro at cityofdavis.org>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Diane Parro<DParro at cityofdavis.org>
>>>> Subject: Broadband Update to City Council
>>>> To:"'szsherm at yahoo.com'"  <szsherm at yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: "Dirk Brazil"<DBrazil at cityofdavis.org>, "Rochelle Swanson"<RSwanson at cityofdavis.org>, "Robb Davis"<RDavis at cityofdavis.org>, "Lucas Frerichs"<lucasf at cityofdavis.org>, "Brett Lee"<BLee at cityofdavis.org>, "Dan Wolk"<DWolk at cityofdavis.org>, "Kelly Stachowicz"<KStachowicz at cityofdavis.org>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 3:06 PM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Mr. Sherman,
>>>> ?
>>>> I received your email from
>>>> our City Manager, Dirk Brazil, and appreciate your interest
>>>> in broadband.? I have been working very closely with
>>>> Rob Nickerson and a few other members of of DavisGig and
>>>> have attended the community meetings that
>>>> have occurred since I joined the City.? They are a
>>>> fantastic group and we have very fortunate to have a group
>>>> of community advocates already working to support increasing
>>>> broadband service in Davis.
>>>> ?
>>>> I think your suggestions
>>>> are aligned with the recommended actions as proposed to
>>>> Council.? If approved, the Broadband Advisory Task
>>>> Force will work on the tasks as you request in your
>>>> email.? DavisGig is, in fact, suggested to select a
>>>> member to serve on the Broadband Task Force so that we may
>>>> have the benefit of all they have accomplished to
>>>> date.?
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> If you have more ideas or
>>>> suggestions to share with me about this topic, please feel
>>>> free to email me directly or call me at either of the
>>>> telephone numbers shown below.
>>>> ?
>>>> Many Thanks,
>>>> Diane
>>>> ?
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Diane Parro
>>>> Chief Innovation
>>>> Officer
>>>> City of Davis
>>>> (530) 747-5803 office
>>>> (530) 220-3092 mobile
>>>> dparro at cityofdavis.org
>>>> 
>>>> www.cityofdavis  
>>>> ?
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:32:12 -0800
>>> From: Robert Nickerson<rob at omsoft.com>
>>> To:davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 13, Issue 8
>>> Message-ID:<565E3C0C.6070205 at omsoft.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
>>> 
>>> Hi Christine -
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 12/1/2015 1:28 PM, Christine Crawford wrote:
>>>> The City needs to do a detailed study that will look at the business
>>>> case for a municipal fiber system. The City cannot propose a public
>>>> bond measure without more detailed cost analysis to back up a bond
>>>> amount, which is what is envisioned in the staff report. Or perhaps
>>>> there are other financing options that need to be considered.
>>> We agree. We need a feasability study report weighing various options on
>>> implementing fiber optic in Davis.  We are prepared to get that RFP bid
>>> out and started through donations raside by our 501c3 non profit, DCN
>>> and DavisGIG volunteers so this task force can review it and make
>>> recommendations.
>>> 
>>> What we don't want is to get trapped in a lot of surveys, meetings, and
>>> repeat a lot of what DavisGIG has already accomplished over the year,
>>> and THEN put out a call for this FSR. Better save City money to go into
>>> preliminary engineering of whatever the recommended option the task
>>> force choses based up a thorough study of the FSR balanced against
>>> finances and needs.
>>>> The Task Force would help provide City staff technical expertise and
>>>> direction to that end. If folks want to make comments about ensuring
>>>> the task force is focused on this goal and not being unproductive
>>>> listening to anecdotal stories, that's fine. But asking for a delay
>>>> will just be another delay.
>>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>> 
>>> RAN
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:15 PM, <davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com  
>>>> <mailto:davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
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>>>>    Today's Topics:
>>>> 
>>>>       1. Re: City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released     &
>>>>          Article about El Macero (Shneor Sherman)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>>    Message: 1
>>>>    Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:15:21 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>    From: Shneor Sherman <szsherm at yahoo.com  <mailto:szsherm at yahoo.com>>
>>>>    To: Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com  <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>,
>>>>          Gary Darling
>>>>            <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net
>>>>    <mailto:gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>>
>>>>    Cc: <davisgig at list.omsoft.com  <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>>    Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>>>>            Released        &       Article about El Macero
>>>>    Message-ID:
>>>> 
>>>>    <1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com
>>>>    <mailto:1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>>
>>>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>> 
>>>>    A delay is only worthwhile if the council directs city staff to
>>>>    work with DavisGig. Otherwise, it would most likely be wasted
>>>>    time. City staff are already committed to their proposal, and
>>>>    without direction will see no reason to change anything.
>>>> 
>>>>    Other options would be to email city council members now, to
>>>>    prepare them. The more emails, the better.
>>>> 
>>>>    Shneor Sherman
>>>>    --------------------------------------------
>>>>    On Tue, 12/1/15, Gary Darling <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net
>>>>    <mailto:gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>     Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>>>>    Released &     Article about El Macero
>>>>     To: "Robert Nickerson" <omrob at omsoft.com  <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>>     Cc:davisgig at list.omsoft.com  <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>>>>     Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
>>>> 
>>>>     Robert et.
>>>>     al,?
>>>>     Asking for a delay was what I was
>>>>     going to suggest also. A task force is a normal governmental
>>>>     process for an issue like this. It is not the only way to
>>>>     get this done but I don?t think that we can arrive at
>>>>     another alternative that has support even within our small
>>>>     group in the time remaining.
>>>> 
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ??Gary
>>>> 
>>>>     On Dec 1,
>>>>     2015, at 12:04 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com
>>>>    <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>>     wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         Hi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         Thanks for your? comments on voting for a?
>>>>     bond Steve, I would say
>>>>         any regular election is great. So that adds more dates
>>>>     to a possible
>>>>         calendar aside from? 6/2016 or 6/2018.
>>>> 
>>>>         So now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance
>>>>     that
>>>>         supersedes this State of California law I assume?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    http://qcode.us/codes/davis/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         Throughout this year at many meetings you all have been
>>>>     involved
>>>>         with, we have asked the City Staff to move this forward,
>>>>     and
>>>>         expressed the urgency of the need.
>>>> 
>>>>         The task force is great, I just am concerned with what
>>>>     it is being
>>>>         asked to do right now in this staff report document.
>>>> 
>>>>         ?
>>>> 
>>>>         Things like conduct a survey, hold a public outreach
>>>>     event,
>>>>         interview persons, that is rehashing what has happened
>>>>     over this
>>>>         year.
>>>> 
>>>>         I think this task force should be about municipal fiber
>>>>     optic for
>>>>         Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband connection types,
>>>>     and gather
>>>>         lots of subjective
>>>> 
>>>>         ?anecdotal comments about peoples broadband
>>>>     experiences.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         So perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some
>>>>     time to work
>>>>         with Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and
>>>>     what it hopes
>>>>         to accomplish.
>>>> 
>>>>         Which would mean asking them to consider some amendments
>>>>     to the
>>>>         scope and work of the task force either before its voted
>>>>     on tonight,
>>>>         at
>>>> 
>>>>         ?public comment or asking it be postponed?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         I should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill?
>>>>     post after that.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         Thanks
>>>> 
>>>>         RAN
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>         On 12/1/2015
>>>>     10:12 AM, Douglas A.
>>>>           Walter wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>           In no way attacking City
>>>>     staff or Gary Darling, I think this
>>>>             advice is a big step towards giving up the dream of
>>>>     a gigabit
>>>>             municipal fiber network.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>           I'm not sold on my
>>>>     "better alternative," but since the slow
>>>>             task force is a slow death, I'll suggest this
>>>>     instead:
>>>>           This
>>>>               proposal calls for a second timeline to be started
>>>>     in July,
>>>>               2016 for policy revisions, public hearings,
>>>>     etc.?That's going
>>>>               to mean the City will have nothing in place for
>>>>     when the
>>>>               Comcast franchise agreement expires in 2018. The
>>>>     City Council
>>>>               should instead direct staff to explore a revenue
>>>>     bond or
>>>>               utility tax measure to fund deployment of gigabit
>>>>     fiber to the
>>>>               home (and office and school, etc.).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>           Thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>               On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57
>>>>     AM, Gary Darling wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                 It?s the
>>>>                   role of staff to offer alternatives to the
>>>>     council and I
>>>>                   too have found them to be very professional.
>>>>     Given the
>>>>                   many ways that this network might play out it
>>>>     is wise to
>>>>                   have a citizen?s advisory body with
>>>>     technical expertise
>>>>                   appointed and up to speed. The task force is a
>>>>     reasonable
>>>>                   thing to form at this juncture - I think we
>>>>     should have
>>>>                   asked for this body early on to avoid the
>>>>     timing problems
>>>>                   that now face the city. If we ask to take the
>>>>     task force
>>>>                   item off of the consent calendar we will need
>>>>     to decide
>>>>                   what we would ask for instead and have broad
>>>>     agreement
>>>>                   between us on the new strategy. If someone has
>>>>     an
>>>>                   alternative suggest it now, and let?s
>>>>     discuss. Otherwise
>>>>                   we should just let the task force go forward
>>>>     as a consent
>>>>                   item and do what we can to assure that the
>>>>     group serves
>>>>                   the public good.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                   ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ?
>>>>                     ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ??Gary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                         On Dec 1,
>>>>     2015, at 8:44 AM, Steve
>>>>                           McMahon <steve at dcn.org  <mailto:steve at dcn.org>>
>>>>                           wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                           The composition of the
>>>>                             task force will also be very
>>>>     important, and we
>>>>                             should keep an eye on the selection
>>>>     process.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                             In
>>>>     particular, we'll want to make
>>>>                               sure that nobody is appointed who
>>>>     has a direct
>>>>                               or indirect financial connection
>>>>     to the cable
>>>>                               industry or works in any position
>>>>     funded via
>>>>                               cable franchise funds.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                             On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at
>>>>                               2:03 AM, Russell Neches
>>>>    <russell at vort.org  <mailto:russell at vort.org>>
>>>>                               wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>                               I agree
>>>>     with
>>>>                                 this general assessment. I have
>>>>     alway been
>>>>                                 taken aback by
>>>> 
>>>>                                 how conservative the city staff
>>>>     is. It makes
>>>>                                 for a weird contrast with
>>>> 
>>>>                                 the city polity. They are,
>>>>     nevertheless,
>>>>                                 extremely professional.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                                 It's critical to have
>>>>     support of the
>>>>                                 Council, preferably
>>>>     unanimously.
>>>> 
>>>>                                 If there are any council members
>>>>     opposed, we
>>>>                                 need to figure out why,
>>>> 
>>>>                                 and what to do about it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                                     Russell
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                                     On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09
>>>>     +0000,
>>>>                                     Shneor Sherman via Davisgig
>>>>     wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Once again, I have to
>>>>     say that if
>>>>                                     individual city council
>>>>     members are
>>>> 
>>>>> not on board, nothing
>>>>     will
>>>>                                     happen.If anyone is
>>>>     acquainted with any
>>>> 
>>>>> city council member,
>>>>     please have a
>>>>                                     conversation with them about
>>>>     this.
>>>> 
>>>>> We have made a pretty
>>>>     good rough
>>>>                                     cost estimate of $30
>>>>     million. We
>>>> 
>>>>> don't necessarily
>>>>     need a bond, as a
>>>>                                     utility tax will do just as
>>>>     well.
>>>> 
>>>>> The franchise, as far
>>>>     as I
>>>>                                     understand, applies just to
>>>>     the city and
>>>> 
>>>>> school district.
>>>>     Pulling the item
>>>>                                     off the consent
>>>>     calendar? is
>>>> 
>>>>> definitely the best way
>>>>     to go. City
>>>>                                     staff might be pro
>>>>     comcast
>>>> 
>>>>> (status quo), if they
>>>>     have any
>>>>                                     position at all. That's
>>>>     why educated
>>>> 
>>>>> city council direction
>>>>     is vital.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Shneor Sherman
>>>>     --------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve
>>>>     McMahon
>>>>                                     <steve at dcn.org
>>>>    <mailto:steve at dcn.org>>
>>>>                                     wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Subject: Re:
>>>>     [Davisgig] City of
>>>>                                     Davis Staff Report on
>>>>     Broadband
>>>> 
>>>>> Released & Article
>>>>     about El
>>>>                                     Macero
>>>> 
>>>>> ? To: "Robert
>>>>     Nickerson @ Omsoft"
>>>>                                     <omrob at omsoft.com
>>>>    <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>>>    <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
>>>>                                     <davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>>>    <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Date: Monday,
>>>>     November 30, 2015,
>>>>                                     9:56 PM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? I think
>>>>> ? the possibility
>>>>     of a Spring 2016
>>>>                                     measure was ruled out the
>>>> 
>>>>> ? moment that we
>>>>     knew we would have
>>>>                                     other financial matters
>>>>     on
>>>> 
>>>>> ? the ballot.
>>>>     Nobody wants multiple
>>>>                                     tax measures before the
>>>> 
>>>>> ? voters at the
>>>>     same time. The risk
>>>>                                     of everything failing is
>>>> 
>>>>> ? too high.
>>>>> ? I see this as
>>>>     a
>>>> 
>>>>> ? reminder that the
>>>>     interests of the
>>>>                                     institutional city and
>>>> 
>>>>> ? the staff are not
>>>>     identical with
>>>>                                     ours. We need to make
>>>>     sure
>>>> 
>>>>> ? that the creation
>>>>     of a task force
>>>>                                     does not eliminate or
>>>>     even
>>>> 
>>>>> ? reduce activist
>>>>     efforts. There
>>>>                                     needs to be some pressure
>>>> 
>>>>> ? from the outside.
>>>>     This will help
>>>>                                     keep a task force that
>>>>     may
>>>> 
>>>>> ? well have some
>>>>     pro-cable or
>>>>                                     anti-tax representatives
>>>> 
>>>>> ? honest.
>>>>> ? Whether the
>>>>> ? item gets pulled
>>>>     from consent or
>>>>                                     not, I don't think it
>>>> 
>>>>> ? would hurt to
>>>>     have some speakers
>>>>                                     pushing for an aggressive
>>>> 
>>>>> ? timetable and a
>>>>     high priority.
>>>> 
>>>>> ? On Mon, Nov 30,
>>>>     2015 at
>>>> 
>>>>> ? 9:24 PM, Robert
>>>>     Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com  <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
>>>> 
>>>>> ? wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     Hi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     Yeah so anyone else please
>>>>                                     give it a neutral read,
>>>>     is
>>>> 
>>>>> ? our
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     characterization misplaced, in
>>>>                                     regards to this report
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?? Don't
>>>>     want
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ? to
>>>>     mess up our graduation to
>>>>                                     task force status,
>>>> 
>>>>> ? but...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     Could be we have to queue up
>>>>                                     in the public comment
>>>> 
>>>>> ? tomorrow and
>>>>     ask
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ? to
>>>>     be removed from consent.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     I've emailed the city staff
>>>>                                     about the document and
>>>> 
>>>>> ? its priorities
>>>>     to
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ? see
>>>>     if I can get more
>>>>                                     understanding and clarity
>>>> 
>>>>> ? verbally.
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     I'll post results tomorrow.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     RAN
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ? On
>>>>     11/30/2015 8:22 PM, Douglas
>>>>                                     A.
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? Walter wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? Hi. It seems clear to me
>>>>                                     that we should
>>>> 
>>>>> ? not let the
>>>>     current
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? Council accept the staff
>>>>                                     recommendation. I would
>>>> 
>>>>> ? argue that in
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? 2018, when the Comcast
>>>>                                     franchise agreement
>>>>     expires,
>>>> 
>>>>> ? the
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? City+Schools will feel
>>>>                                     desperate to assure that
>>>> 
>>>>> ? their pipes to
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? the Internet don't get cut
>>>>                                     off (or busted back
>>>> 
>>>>> ? to modem
>>>>     speeds),
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? and that will help
>>>>                                     Comcast's negotiating
>>>> 
>>>>> ? position on
>>>>     franchise
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? renewal. I haven't taken
>>>>                                     the time to read the
>>>> 
>>>>> ? report, but
>>>>     does
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? it not sound like this is
>>>>                                     a very important deciding
>>>> 
>>>>> ? point?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? I'd say NO to the timeline,
>>>>                                     and no to the
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Task Force as
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? proposed.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:53
>>>>                                     PM, Robert
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Nickerson
>>>>     wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ?Hi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? I can only agree on
>>>>                                     that, now that I have
>>>>     read
>>>> 
>>>>> ? this over.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? The last interactions
>>>>                                     I've had with the
>>>>     City
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Staff have
>>>>     been
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? negative
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? on having a June 2016
>>>>                                     vote because of the
>>>> 
>>>>> ? competing tax
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? measure,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ?and they suggested
>>>>                                     11/2016 as more
>>>> 
>>>>> ? appropriate.
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? ked them to look
>>>>                                     into the reported
>>>> 
>>>>> ? requirement that
>>>>     an
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? election where there
>>>>                                     is a bond issue
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? needed to be a city
>>>>                                     council election, and
>>>>     have
>>>> 
>>>>> ? received no
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? definitive answer.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ?Looks like this task
>>>>                                     force is a step back from
>>>> 
>>>>> ? even getting
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? municipal Fiber optic,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ?but more? focused on
>>>>                                     studying broadband in
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Davis,? and
>>>>     a
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? lot of extra effort.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? Anyone have any ideas
>>>>                                     on what to do with this ?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? The staff report and
>>>>                                     recommendation will be
>>>> 
>>>>> ? presented as a
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? consent item tomorrow
>>>>                                     at the city council.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? P.S. How does this
>>>>                                     relate to the Sports
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Complex?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? On 11/30/2015 11:34
>>>>                                     AM, Shneor
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? Sherman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ? ? ? ? The timeline will
>>>>                                     not allow for a 2016
>>>> 
>>>>> ? referendum or any
>>>>     popular vote in
>>>>                                     2016. This proposal calls
>>>> 
>>>>> ? for a second
>>>>     timeline to be
>>>>                                     started in July, 2016 for
>>>>     policy
>>>> 
>>>>> ? revisions, public
>>>>     hearings, etc.
>>>>                                     It's probably more
>>>> 
>>>>> ? realistic to look
>>>>     at 2018, when
>>>>                                     Comcast's franchise
>>>> 
>>>>> ? expires.
>>>>> ? Shneor Sherman
>>>>> ?
>>>>     --------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>>> ? On Mon, 11/30/15,
>>>>     Robert Nickerson
>>>>                                     <rob at omsoft.com
>>>>    <mailto:rob at omsoft.com>>
>>>> 
>>>>> ? wrote:
>>>>> ? ?Subject:
>>>>     [Davisgig] City of Davis
>>>>                                     Staff Report on Broadband
>>>> 
>>>>> ? Released &
>>>>     Article about El
>>>>                                     Macero
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?To:
>>>>     "davisgig at list.omsoft.com  <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
>>>> 
>>>>> ? <davisgig at list.omsoft.com
>>>>    <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?Date:
>>>>     Monday, November 30, 2015,
>>>>                                     11:08 AM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?Hi All
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?1) Thanks to all your
>>>>                                     efforts, we have a council
>>>>     item
>>>> 
>>>>> ? on
>>>>> ? ?the
>>>>     consent
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?calendar for Tues Dec 1
>>>>                                     meeting to recommend
>>>>     Davis
>>>> 
>>>>> ? adopt
>>>>> ? ?the Yolo
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?Broadband Plan and make a
>>>>                                     Task Force to help the
>>>>     city
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?decide what
>>>>     is
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?best to do for Davis for
>>>>                                     fiber.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?A copy of the staff report is
>>>>                                     here:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>     tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?Its a rather large document
>>>>                                     because it has the Yolo
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?Broadband
>>>>     Plan
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?attached to it. The details
>>>>                                     about the Task force are
>>>>     in
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?the
>>>>     first
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?pages.? I don't think this
>>>>                                     would have materialized
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?at all at
>>>>     the
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?City level without everyone
>>>>                                     being a force, and asking
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?for and
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?delivering on meetings, and
>>>>                                     Public Outreach.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?2) An article about community
>>>>                                     businesses funding an
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?Upgrade for
>>>>     El
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?Macero -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>>>    ?http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
>>>> 
>>>>     s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?Does anyone have any insight
>>>>                                     on whether this is really
>>>> 
>>>>> ? a
>>>>> ? ?Fiber
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?deployment or just paying a
>>>>                                     deposit to fund a build
>>>>     out
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?by
>>>>     Comcast?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ?--
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ? ?
>>>>     ? ?Rob Nickerson
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From dawalter at dcn.org  Tue Dec  1 23:22:19 2015
From: dawalter at dcn.org (Douglas A. Walter)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 23:22:19 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City Council approves TF [was Re: City council
	meeting 12/01]
In-Reply-To: <ECC198ED-0FD7-4613-B278-E13CFA340CBB@dcn.davis.ca.us>
References: <mailman.3418.1449021847.2056.davisgig@list.omsoft.com>
	<ECC198ED-0FD7-4613-B278-E13CFA340CBB@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Message-ID: <4E02765C-B6C8-4120-BD2A-AAB02BAC7741@dcn.org>

Thanks Jeff, both for your comment and for reporting on it. We will need to "bird dog" this selection process and the meetings of the TF, but at least we know that our vision isn't repulsive to the City :^)

Thanks for all the messages on the list, folks. We have kept this alive.

On Dec 1, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Jeff Mischkinsky wrote:

> hi,
>   I gave my short pitch during public comment.
>   Brett Lee then asked that the item be pulled from the consent calendar so he could discuss it.
> 
>   Later in the meeting he expressed his concern that the TF not feel like it is mandated to repeat work that?s already been done and that it could, if it chose, to reuse previous work (DavisGIG though he didn?t say that) has already done, and therefore could deliver its recommendations more quickly than the proposed timetable.
>  The end result was to amend the the Timeline to be ?draft? with the understanding that the TF would work with staff once it is created.
> 
>  (During the break both Brett and Lucas came up to me to say they thought this was important and they shared the concerns I raised.)
>  (Diane also talked with me and she was supportive as well.)
> 
> With that modification, the council unanimously adopted the staff recommendations.
> 
> So time to get to work!
> 
> cheers,
>  jeff
> 
> 
>> [snip]
>> From: Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com>
>> To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com, Matthews Williams <mattwill at pacbell.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City council meeting 12/01
>> Message-ID: <565E5192.9010409 at omsoft.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I spoke with Brett Lee and Diane Parro.
>> 
>> Brett indicated that there will be flexibility within the task force and 
>> we will not necessarily need to rigidly follow what it put forth in this 
>> staff report.
>> 
>> Sounds like we can, at its creation meeting, "bring the group up" on 
>> what we have already done to move it along much more quickly,
>> and not necessarily carry out all the items it directs if they have been 
>> done this year.  Encouraging.
>> 
>> Diane sounded rushed, as understandable with it being right before a 
>> meeting, and so I didn't talk with her much,  aside from the fact that she
>> was not able to get a clear answer on whether or not this needs to be 
>> voted on in 06.2016.
>> 
>> She says it  will likely be approved and not pulled from consent because 
>> "its a busy night," though I wouldn't know why that would be.
>> 
>> Whats really great is to see such a tremendous response from everyone on 
>> this list here, that has put care,
>> thought, and energy into their responses and emails to council.
>> 
>> So Jeff if you want to go ad make an initial public comment before 
>> consent calendat,, you might want to remind the council that our
>> citizen group has done a lot of planning and public outreach work around 
>> fiber optic already, and encourage
>> them to make sure their task force makes use of that, b/c time is of the 
>> essence.
>> 
>> Tell them too, its good for you and good for Davis.
>> 
>> Thx
>> RAN
>> 
>> 
>> [snip]

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From szsherm at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  1 23:32:53 2015
From: szsherm at yahoo.com (Shneor Sherman)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 07:32:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Davisgig] City Council approves TF [was Re: City council
 meeting	12/01]
References: <2238926.12633170.1449041573111.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2238926.12633170.1449041573111.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Jeff, thanks for taking this on. It's a reasonable beginning. 
I'm wondering how the CC will select potential TF members; typically, each council member gets to pick one. There's an application process, if I remember correctly, and a form to fill out. 
I'm not planning to apply for the TF.

Shneor Sherman
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On Tue, 12/1/15, Jeff Mischkinsky <jmischki at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

 Subject: [Davisgig] City Council approves TF [was Re: City council meeting	12/01]
 To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com
 Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 8:48 PM
 
 hi,
 ???I gave my short pitch during public
 comment.
 ???Brett Lee then asked that the item be
 pulled from the consent calendar so he could discuss it.
 
 ???Later in the meeting he expressed his
 concern that the TF not feel like it is mandated to repeat
 work that?s already been done and that it could, if it
 chose, to reuse previous work (DavisGIG though he didn?t
 say that) has already done, and therefore could deliver its
 recommendations more quickly than the proposed timetable.
 ? The end result was to amend the the Timeline to be
 ?draft? with the understanding that the TF would work
 with staff once it is created.
 
 ? (During the break both Brett and Lucas came up to me
 to say they thought this was important and they shared the
 concerns I raised.)
 ? (Diane also talked with me and she was supportive as
 well.)
 
  With that modification, the council unanimously adopted the
 staff recommendations.
 
  So time to get to work!
 
 cheers,
 ? jeff
 
 
 > On Dec 01, 2015, at 6:04 PM, davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com
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 >???1. Re: City council meeting 12/01
 (Robert Nickerson)
 > 
 > 
 >
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 > 
 > Message: 1
 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 18:04:02 -0800
 > From: Robert Nickerson <rob at omsoft.com>
 > To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com,
 Matthews Williams <mattwill at pacbell.net>
 > Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City council meeting 12/01
 > Message-ID: <565E5192.9010409 at omsoft.com>
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252";
 Format="flowed"
 > 
 > Hi
 > 
 > I spoke with Brett Lee and Diane Parro.
 > 
 > Brett indicated that there will be flexibility within
 the task force and 
 > we will not necessarily need to rigidly follow what it
 put forth in this 
 > staff report.
 > 
 > Sounds like we can, at its creation meeting, "bring the
 group up" on 
 > what we have already done to move it along much more
 quickly,
 > and not necessarily carry out all the items it directs
 if they have been 
 > done this year.? Encouraging.
 > 
 > Diane sounded rushed, as understandable with it being
 right before a 
 > meeting, and so I didn't talk with her much,?
 aside from the fact that she
 >? was not able to get a clear answer on whether or
 not this needs to be 
 > voted on in 06.2016.
 > 
 > She says it? will likely be approved and not
 pulled from consent because 
 > "its a busy night," though I wouldn't know why that
 would be.
 > 
 > Whats really great is to see such a tremendous response
 from everyone on 
 > this list here, that has put care,
 > thought, and energy into their responses and emails to
 council.
 > 
 > So Jeff if you want to go ad make an initial public
 comment before 
 > consent calendat,, you might want to remind the council
 that our
 > citizen group has done a lot of planning and public
 outreach work around 
 > fiber optic already, and encourage
 > them to make sure their task force makes use of that,
 b/c time is of the 
 > essence.
 > 
 > Tell them too, its good for you and good for Davis.
 > 
 > Thx
 > RAN
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > On 12/1/2015 4:57 PM, Jeff Mischkinsky wrote:
 >> Hi,
 >>? ???I just read through the
 blizzard of messages.
 >>? ? I'm available to go to the CC meeting
 this evening.
 >> (Public comment?) and advocate, if we know what it
 is we want.
 >>? ? Asking for specific and positive
 actions/goals of course works best. :-)
 >>? ? Calling me is probably best at this
 time. 530-758-9850.
 >>? ? Cheers
 >>? ???Jeff
 >> 
 >> Jeff Mischkinsky
 >> 530-758-9850
 >> 
 >>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:32 PM,davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com?
 wrote:
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> Today's Topics:
 >>> 
 >>>???1. Fw: Broadband Update to
 City Council (Shneor Sherman)
 >>>???2. Re: Davisgig Digest, Vol
 13, Issue 8 (Robert Nickerson)
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>>
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 >>> 
 >>> Message: 1
 >>> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 00:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
 >>> From: Shneor Sherman<szsherm at yahoo.com>
 >>> To:"davisgig at list.omsoft.com"?
 <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 >>> Subject: [Davisgig] Fw: Broadband Update to
 City Council
 >>> Message-ID:
 >>>? ? <203398535.13755772.1449014930192.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
 >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 >>> 
 >>> Here's a copy of the reply I received from
 Diane Parro:
 >>> 
 >>>> --- On Tue, 12/1/15, Diane Parro<DParro at cityofdavis.org>?
 wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>> From: Diane Parro<DParro at cityofdavis.org>
 >>>> Subject: Broadband Update to City Council
 >>>> To:"'szsherm at yahoo.com'"?
 <szsherm at yahoo.com>
 >>>> Cc: "Dirk Brazil"<DBrazil at cityofdavis.org>,
 "Rochelle Swanson"<RSwanson at cityofdavis.org>,
 "Robb Davis"<RDavis at cityofdavis.org>,
 "Lucas Frerichs"<lucasf at cityofdavis.org>,
 "Brett Lee"<BLee at cityofdavis.org>,
 "Dan Wolk"<DWolk at cityofdavis.org>,
 "Kelly Stachowicz"<KStachowicz at cityofdavis.org>
 >>>> Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 3:06 PM
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Dear Mr. Sherman,
 >>>> ?
 >>>> I received your email from
 >>>> our City Manager, Dirk Brazil, and
 appreciate your interest
 >>>> in broadband.? I have been working very
 closely with
 >>>> Rob Nickerson and a few other members of of
 DavisGig and
 >>>> have attended the community meetings that
 >>>> have occurred since I joined the City.?
 They are a
 >>>> fantastic group and we have very fortunate
 to have a group
 >>>> of community advocates already working to
 support increasing
 >>>> broadband service in Davis.
 >>>> ?
 >>>> I think your suggestions
 >>>> are aligned with the recommended actions as
 proposed to
 >>>> Council.? If approved, the Broadband
 Advisory Task
 >>>> Force will work on the tasks as you request
 in your
 >>>> email.? DavisGig is, in fact, suggested to
 select a
 >>>> member to serve on the Broadband Task Force
 so that we may
 >>>> have the benefit of all they have
 accomplished to
 >>>> date.?
 >>>> 
 >>>> ?
 >>>> If you have more ideas or
 >>>> suggestions to share with me about this
 topic, please feel
 >>>> free to email me directly or call me at
 either of the
 >>>> telephone numbers shown below.
 >>>> ?
 >>>> Many Thanks,
 >>>> Diane
 >>>> ?
 >>>> 
 >>>> ?
 >>>> Diane Parro
 >>>> Chief Innovation
 >>>> Officer
 >>>> City of Davis
 >>>> (530) 747-5803 office
 >>>> (530) 220-3092 mobile
 >>>> dparro at cityofdavis.org
 >>>> 
 >>>> www.cityofdavis? 
 >>>> ?
 >>> ------------------------------
 >>> 
 >>> Message: 2
 >>> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:32:12 -0800
 >>> From: Robert Nickerson<rob at omsoft.com>
 >>> To:davisgig at list.omsoft.com
 >>> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol
 13, Issue 8
 >>> Message-ID:<565E3C0C.6070205 at omsoft.com>
 >>> Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
 >>> 
 >>> Hi Christine -
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>>> On 12/1/2015 1:28 PM, Christine Crawford
 wrote:
 >>>> The City needs to do a detailed study that
 will look at the business
 >>>> case for a municipal fiber system. The City
 cannot propose a public
 >>>> bond measure without more detailed cost
 analysis to back up a bond
 >>>> amount, which is what is envisioned in the
 staff report. Or perhaps
 >>>> there are other financing options that need
 to be considered.
 >>> We agree. We need a feasability study report
 weighing various options on
 >>> implementing fiber optic in Davis.? We are
 prepared to get that RFP bid
 >>> out and started through donations raside by our
 501c3 non profit, DCN
 >>> and DavisGIG volunteers so this task force can
 review it and make
 >>> recommendations.
 >>> 
 >>> What we don't want is to get trapped in a lot
 of surveys, meetings, and
 >>> repeat a lot of what DavisGIG has already
 accomplished over the year,
 >>> and THEN put out a call for this FSR. Better
 save City money to go into
 >>> preliminary engineering of whatever the
 recommended option the task
 >>> force choses based up a thorough study of the
 FSR balanced against
 >>> finances and needs.
 >>>> The Task Force would help provide City
 staff technical expertise and
 >>>> direction to that end. If folks want to
 make comments about ensuring
 >>>> the task force is focused on this goal and
 not being unproductive
 >>>> listening to anecdotal stories, that's
 fine. But asking for a delay
 >>>> will just be another delay.
 >>> Thanks for your thoughts.
 >>> 
 >>> RAN
 >>> 
 >>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:15 PM, <davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com?
 
 >>>> <mailto:davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com>>
 wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? Send Davisgig mailing list
 submissions to
 >>>>? ? davisgig at list.omsoft.com?
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 your Subject line so it is more specific
 >>>>? ? than "Re: Contents of Davisgig
 digest..."
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? Today's Topics:
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ???1. Re: City
 of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released?
 ???&
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? Article
 about El Macero (Shneor Sherman)
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ?
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? Message: 1
 >>>>? ? Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:15:21
 +0000 (UTC)
 >>>>? ? From: Shneor Sherman <szsherm at yahoo.com?
 <mailto:szsherm at yahoo.com>>
 >>>>? ? To: Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com?
 <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>,
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? Gary
 Darling
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net
 >>>>? ? <mailto:gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>>
 >>>>? ? Cc: <davisgig at list.omsoft.com?
 <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
 >>>>? ? Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City
 of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 Released? ? ? ? &? ?
 ???Article about El Macero
 >>>>? ? Message-ID:
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? <1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com
 >>>>? ? <mailto:1147885609.13668795.1449004521553.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>>
 >>>>? ? Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset=UTF-8
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? A delay is only worthwhile if
 the council directs city staff to
 >>>>? ? work with DavisGig. Otherwise,
 it would most likely be wasted
 >>>>? ? time. City staff are already
 committed to their proposal, and
 >>>>? ? without direction will see no
 reason to change anything.
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? Other options would be to
 email city council members now, to
 >>>>? ? prepare them. The more emails,
 the better.
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? Shneor Sherman
 >>>>? ?
 --------------------------------------------
 >>>>? ? On Tue, 12/1/15, Gary Darling
 <gary_darling at sbcglobal.net
 >>>>? ? <mailto:gary_darling at sbcglobal.net>>
 wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ???Subject: Re:
 [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
 >>>>? ? Released &?
 ???Article about El Macero
 >>>>? ???To: "Robert
 Nickerson" <omrob at omsoft.com?
 <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
 >>>>? ???Cc:davisgig at list.omsoft.com?
 <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 >>>>? ???Date: Tuesday,
 December 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ???Robert et.
 >>>>? ???al,?
 >>>>? ???Asking for a delay
 was what I was
 >>>>? ???going to suggest
 also. A task force is a normal governmental
 >>>>? ???process for an
 issue like this. It is not the only way to
 >>>>? ???get this done but I
 don?t think that we can arrive at
 >>>>? ???another alternative
 that has support even within our small
 >>>>? ???group in the time
 remaining.
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 >>>>? ?????Gary
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ???On Dec 1,
 >>>>? ???2015, at 12:04 PM,
 Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com
 >>>>? ? <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
 >>>>? ???wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ???Hi
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ?
 ???Thanks for your? comments on voting for
 a?
 >>>>? ???bond Steve, I would
 say
 >>>>? ? ? ???any
 regular election is great. So that adds more dates
 >>>>? ???to a possible
 >>>>? ? ?
 ???calendar aside from? 6/2016 or 6/2018.
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ???So
 now we have to see if there is some Davis ordinance
 >>>>? ???that
 >>>>? ? ?
 ???supersedes this State of California law I
 assume?
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? http://qcode.us/codes/davis/
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ?
 ???Throughout this year at many meetings you
 all have been
 >>>>? ???involved
 >>>>? ? ? ???with,
 we have asked the City Staff to move this forward,
 >>>>? ???and
 >>>>? ? ?
 ???expressed the urgency of the need.
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ???The
 task force is great, I just am concerned with what
 >>>>? ???it is being
 >>>>? ? ? ???asked
 to do right now in this staff report document.
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ????
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ?
 ???Things like conduct a survey, hold a
 public outreach
 >>>>? ???event,
 >>>>? ? ?
 ???interview persons, that is rehashing what
 has happened
 >>>>? ???over this
 >>>>? ? ?
 ???year.
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ???I
 think this task force should be about municipal fiber
 >>>>? ???optic for
 >>>>? ? ?
 ???Davis, and not lets evaluate broadband
 connection types,
 >>>>? ???and gather
 >>>>? ? ? ???lots
 of subjective
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ?
 ????anecdotal comments about peoples
 broadband
 >>>>? ???experiences.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ???So
 perhaps not an alternative plan, just ask for some
 >>>>? ???time to work
 >>>>? ? ? ???with
 Staff to change the scope of the Task Force and
 >>>>? ???what it hopes
 >>>>? ? ? ???to
 accomplish.
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ???Which
 would mean asking them to consider some amendments
 >>>>? ???to the
 >>>>? ? ? ???scope
 and work of the task force either before its voted
 >>>>? ???on tonight,
 >>>>? ? ? ???at
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ?
 ????public comment or asking it be
 postponed?
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ???I
 should be talking to DP this afternoon and Ill?
 >>>>? ???post after that.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ?
 ???Thanks
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ???RAN
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ???On
 12/1/2015
 >>>>? ???10:12 AM, Douglas
 A.
 >>>>? ? ? ?
 ???Walter wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ?
 ???In no way attacking City
 >>>>? ???staff or Gary
 Darling, I think this
 >>>>? ? ? ? ?
 ???advice is a big step towards giving up the
 dream of
 >>>>? ???a gigabit
 >>>>? ? ? ? ?
 ???municipal fiber network.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ?
 ???I'm not sold on my
 >>>>? ???"better
 alternative," but since the slow
 >>>>? ? ? ? ?
 ???task force is a slow death, I'll suggest
 this
 >>>>? ???instead:
 >>>>? ? ? ?
 ???This
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???proposal calls for a second timeline to be
 started
 >>>>? ???in July,
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???2016 for policy revisions, public
 hearings,
 >>>>? ???etc.?That's going
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???to mean the City will have nothing in
 place for
 >>>>? ???when the
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???Comcast franchise agreement expires in
 2018. The
 >>>>? ???City Council
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???should instead direct staff to explore a
 revenue
 >>>>? ???bond or
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???utility tax measure to fund deployment of
 gigabit
 >>>>? ???fiber to the
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???home (and office and school, etc.).
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ?
 ???Thoughts?
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:57
 >>>>? ???AM, Gary Darling
 wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ???It?s the
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???role of staff to offer
 alternatives to the
 >>>>? ???council and I
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???too have found them to be
 very professional.
 >>>>? ???Given the
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???many ways that this network
 might play out it
 >>>>? ???is wise to
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???have a citizen?s advisory
 body with
 >>>>? ???technical
 expertise
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???appointed and up to speed.
 The task force is a
 >>>>? ???reasonable
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???thing to form at this
 juncture - I think we
 >>>>? ???should have
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???asked for this body early on
 to avoid the
 >>>>? ???timing problems
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???that now face the city. If
 we ask to take the
 >>>>? ???task force
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???item off of the consent
 calendar we will need
 >>>>? ???to decide
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???what we would ask for
 instead and have broad
 >>>>? ???agreement
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???between us on the new
 strategy. If someone has
 >>>>? ???an
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???alternative suggest it now,
 and let?s
 >>>>? ???discuss. Otherwise
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???we should just let the task
 force go forward
 >>>>? ???as a consent
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???item and do what we can to
 assure that the
 >>>>? ???group serves
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???the public good.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ???? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ?
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???? ? ? ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ??Gary
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ???On Dec
 1,
 >>>>? ???2015, at 8:44 AM,
 Steve
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???McMahon <steve at dcn.org?
 <mailto:steve at dcn.org>>
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???The composition of the
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???task force will also be very
 >>>>? ???important, and we
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???should keep an eye on the selection
 >>>>? ???process.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???In
 >>>>? ???particular, we'll
 want to make
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???sure that nobody is appointed who
 >>>>? ???has a direct
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???or indirect financial connection
 >>>>? ???to the cable
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???industry or works in any position
 >>>>? ???funded via
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???cable franchise funds.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???2:03 AM, Russell Neches
 >>>>? ? <russell at vort.org?
 <mailto:russell at vort.org>>
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ???I agree
 >>>>? ???with
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ???this general assessment. I have
 >>>>? ???alway been
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ???taken aback by
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ???how conservative the city staff
 >>>>? ???is. It makes
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ???for a weird contrast with
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ???the city polity. They are,
 >>>>? ???nevertheless,
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ???extremely professional.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ???It's critical to have
 >>>>? ???support of the
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ???Council, preferably
 >>>>? ???unanimously.
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ???If there are any council members
 >>>>? ???opposed, we
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ???need to figure out why,
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ???and what to do about it.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???Russell
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???On Tue, 2015-12-01 at
 08:09
 >>>>? ???+0000,
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???Shneor Sherman via
 Davisgig
 >>>>? ???wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>>> Once again, I have to
 >>>>? ???say that if
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???individual city
 council
 >>>>? ???members are
 >>>> 
 >>>>> not on board, nothing
 >>>>? ???will
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???happen.If anyone is
 >>>>? ???acquainted with
 any
 >>>> 
 >>>>> city council member,
 >>>>? ???please have a
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???conversation with
 them about
 >>>>? ???this.
 >>>> 
 >>>>> We have made a pretty
 >>>>? ???good rough
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???cost estimate of $30
 >>>>? ???million. We
 >>>> 
 >>>>> don't necessarily
 >>>>? ???need a bond, as a
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???utility tax will do
 just as
 >>>>? ???well.
 >>>> 
 >>>>> The franchise, as far
 >>>>? ???as I
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???understand, applies
 just to
 >>>>? ???the city and
 >>>> 
 >>>>> school district.
 >>>>? ???Pulling the item
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???off the consent
 >>>>? ???calendar? is
 >>>> 
 >>>>> definitely the best way
 >>>>? ???to go. City
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???staff might be pro
 >>>>? ???comcast
 >>>> 
 >>>>> (status quo), if they
 >>>>? ???have any
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???position at all.
 That's
 >>>>? ???why educated
 >>>> 
 >>>>> city council direction
 >>>>? ???is vital.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> Shneor Sherman
 >>>>?
 ???--------------------------------------------
 >>>> 
 >>>>> On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve
 >>>>? ???McMahon
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???<steve at dcn.org
 >>>>? ? <mailto:steve at dcn.org>>
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? Subject: Re:
 >>>>? ???[Davisgig] City of
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???Davis Staff Report
 on
 >>>>? ???Broadband
 >>>> 
 >>>>> Released & Article
 >>>>? ???about El
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???Macero
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? To: "Robert
 >>>>? ???Nickerson @
 Omsoft"
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???<omrob at omsoft.com
 >>>>? ? <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com
 >>>>? ? <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???<davisgig at list.omsoft.com
 >>>>? ? <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? Date: Monday,
 >>>>? ???November 30, 2015,
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???9:56 PM
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? I think
 >>>>> ? the possibility
 >>>>? ???of a Spring 2016
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???measure was ruled out
 the
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? moment that we
 >>>>? ???knew we would have
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???other financial
 matters
 >>>>? ???on
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? the ballot.
 >>>>? ???Nobody wants
 multiple
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???tax measures before
 the
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? voters at the
 >>>>? ???same time. The
 risk
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???of everything failing
 is
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? too high.
 >>>>> ? I see this as
 >>>>? ???a
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? reminder that the
 >>>>? ???interests of the
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???institutional city
 and
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? the staff are not
 >>>>? ???identical with
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???ours. We need to
 make
 >>>>? ???sure
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? that the creation
 >>>>? ???of a task force
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???does not eliminate
 or
 >>>>? ???even
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? reduce activist
 >>>>? ???efforts. There
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???needs to be some
 pressure
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? from the outside.
 >>>>? ???This will help
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???keep a task force
 that
 >>>>? ???may
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? well have some
 >>>>? ???pro-cable or
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???anti-tax
 representatives
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? honest.
 >>>>> ? Whether the
 >>>>> ? item gets pulled
 >>>>? ???from consent or
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???not, I don't think
 it
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? would hurt to
 >>>>? ???have some speakers
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???pushing for an
 aggressive
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? timetable and a
 >>>>? ???high priority.
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? On Mon, Nov 30,
 >>>>? ???2015 at
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? 9:24 PM, Robert
 >>>>? ???Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com?
 <mailto:omrob at omsoft.com>>
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???Hi
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???Yeah so anyone else
 please
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???give it a neutral
 read,
 >>>>? ???is
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? our
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???characterization
 misplaced, in
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???regards to this
 report
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?? Don't
 >>>>? ???want
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ? to
 >>>>? ???mess up our
 graduation to
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???task force status,
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? but...
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???Could be we have to
 queue up
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???in the public
 comment
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? tomorrow and
 >>>>? ???ask
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ? to
 >>>>? ???be removed from
 consent.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???I've emailed the
 city staff
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???about the document
 and
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? its priorities
 >>>>? ???to
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ? see
 >>>>? ???if I can get more
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???understanding and
 clarity
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? verbally.
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???I'll post results
 tomorrow.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???Thanks
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???RAN
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ? On
 >>>>? ???11/30/2015 8:22 PM,
 Douglas
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???A.
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? Walter wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? Hi. It seems
 clear to me
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???that we should
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? not let the
 >>>>? ???current
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? Council accept
 the staff
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???recommendation. I
 would
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? argue that in
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? 2018, when the
 Comcast
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???franchise agreement
 >>>>? ???expires,
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? the
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? City+Schools
 will feel
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???desperate to assure
 that
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? their pipes to
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? the Internet
 don't get cut
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???off (or busted back
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? to modem
 >>>>? ???speeds),
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? and that will
 help
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???Comcast's
 negotiating
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? position on
 >>>>? ???franchise
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? renewal. I
 haven't taken
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???the time to read the
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? report, but
 >>>>? ???does
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? it not sound
 like this is
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???a very important
 deciding
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? point?
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? I'd say NO to the
 timeline,
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???and no to the
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? Task Force as
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? proposed.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? On Nov 30,
 2015, at 7:53
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???PM, Robert
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? Nickerson
 >>>>? ???wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ?Hi
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? I can only
 agree on
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???that, now that I
 have
 >>>>? ???read
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? this over.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? The last
 interactions
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???I've had with the
 >>>>? ???City
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? Staff have
 >>>>? ???been
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? negative
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? on having a
 June 2016
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???vote because of the
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? competing tax
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? measure,
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ?and they
 suggested
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???11/2016 as more
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? appropriate.
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? ked them
 to look
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???into the reported
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? requirement that
 >>>>? ???an
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? election
 where there
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???is a bond issue
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? needed to
 be a city
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???council election,
 and
 >>>>? ???have
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? received no
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? definitive
 answer.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ?Looks like
 this task
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???force is a step back
 from
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? even getting
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? municipal
 Fiber optic,
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ?but more?
 focused on
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???studying broadband
 in
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? Davis,? and
 >>>>? ???a
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? lot of
 extra effort.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? Anyone have
 any ideas
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???on what to do with
 this ?
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? The staff
 report and
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???recommendation will
 be
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? presented as a
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? consent
 item tomorrow
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???at the city council.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? Thanks
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? P.S. How
 does this
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???relate to the Sports
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? Complex?
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? On
 11/30/2015 11:34
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???AM, Shneor
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? Sherman
 wrote:
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? The
 timeline will
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???not allow for a 2016
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? referendum or any
 >>>>? ???popular vote in
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???2016. This proposal
 calls
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? for a second
 >>>>? ???timeline to be
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???started in July, 2016
 for
 >>>>? ???policy
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? revisions, public
 >>>>? ???hearings, etc.
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???It's probably more
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? realistic to look
 >>>>? ???at 2018, when
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???Comcast's franchise
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? expires.
 >>>>> ? Shneor Sherman
 >>>>> ?
 >>>>?
 ???--------------------------------------------
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? On Mon, 11/30/15,
 >>>>? ???Robert Nickerson
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???<rob at omsoft.com
 >>>>? ? <mailto:rob at omsoft.com>>
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? wrote:
 >>>>> ? ?Subject:
 >>>>? ???[Davisgig] City of
 Davis
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???Staff Report on
 Broadband
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? Released &
 >>>>? ???Article about El
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???Macero
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?To:
 >>>>? ???"davisgig at list.omsoft.com?
 <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>"
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? <davisgig at list.omsoft.com
 >>>>? ? <mailto:davisgig at list.omsoft.com>>
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?Date:
 >>>>? ???Monday, November
 30, 2015,
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???11:08 AM
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????Hi All
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????1) Thanks to all
 your
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???efforts, we have a
 council
 >>>>? ???item
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? on
 >>>>> ? ?the
 >>>>? ???consent
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????calendar for Tues
 Dec 1
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???meeting to recommend
 >>>>? ???Davis
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? adopt
 >>>>> ? ?the Yolo
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????Broadband Plan and
 make a
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???Task Force to help
 the
 >>>>? ???city
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?decide what
 >>>>? ???is
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????best to do for
 Davis for
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???fiber.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????A copy of the
 staff report is
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???here:
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>?
 ???tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband-Update.pdf
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????Its a rather large
 document
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???because it has the
 Yolo
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?Broadband
 >>>>? ???Plan
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????attached to it.
 The details
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???about the Task force
 are
 >>>>? ???in
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?the
 >>>>? ???first
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????pages.? I don't
 think this
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???would have
 materialized
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?at all at
 >>>>? ???the
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????City level without
 everyone
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???being a force, and
 asking
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?for and
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????delivering on
 meetings, and
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???Public Outreach.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????2) An article
 about community
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???businesses funding
 an
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?Upgrade for
 >>>>? ???El
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????Macero -
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ?
 >>>>? ? ?http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
 >>>> 
 >>>>?
 ???s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????Does anyone have
 any insight
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???on whether this is
 really
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? a
 >>>>> ? ?Fiber
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????deployment or just
 paying a
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???deposit to fund a
 build
 >>>>? ???out
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?by
 >>>>? ???Comcast?
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????Thanks
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ????--
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ?Rob Nickerson
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ?CEO
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ?Om Networks
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ?UCD Class of 96
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ?C: 530-848-3865
 <tel:530-848-3865>
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ?If we have
 helped you in a
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???positive way, please
 give
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?us a
 >>>>? ???good
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ?recommendation
 at daviswiki.org<http://daviswiki.org>,
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ?and/or
 yelp.com<http://yelp.com>.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ?Please like us
 on Facebook.
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ?and put us in
 your circle
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???at Google+
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?-----Inline
 >>>>? ???Attachment
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???Follows-----
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ?
 >>>>?
 ????_______________________________________________
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?Please ref
 >>>>? ???our wiki for
 details,
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???documents and
 contacts:
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ?
 >>>>? ? ?http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start
 >>>>? ? <http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/%7Ehelp/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start>
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?Davisgig
 >>>>? ???mailing list
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ?Davisgig at list.omsoft.com
 >>>>? ? <mailto:Davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ?
 >>>>? ? ?http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? --
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? Rob
 Nickerson
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? CEO
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? Om
 Networks
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? UCD Class
 of 96
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? C:
 530-848-3865 <tel:530-848-3865>
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? If we
 have helped
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???you in a positive
 way,
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? please give us
 >>>>? ???a
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? good
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ?
 recommendation at daviswiki.org<http://daviswiki.org>,
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? and/or
 yelp.com<http://yelp.com>.
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? Please
 like us on
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???Facebook.
 >>>> 
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 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? and put
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 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ?
 >>>> 
 >>>>?
 ???_______________________________________________
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? Please ref
 our wiki for
 >>>>? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ???details, documents
 and
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? contacts:
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>? ? http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~help/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start
 >>>>? ? <http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/%7Ehelp/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start>
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? Davisgig
 mailing list
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ?Davisgig at list.omsoft.com?
 <mailto:Davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ?http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? =-=-=
 >>>> 
 >>>>> ? ? ?
 >>>>? ???? ? ? ? ? Doug
 Walter, home
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From steve at dcn.org  Wed Dec  2 08:52:36 2015
From: steve at dcn.org (Steve McMahon)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:52:36 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] OECD Report on Municipal Networks
Message-ID: <CAOqzbgifoFxM1E_xaMggJH0aLBi0+hxwwbV9PGbif_O7k8Ez0g@mail.gmail.com>

A long, interesting study, with the punchline:

Municipal networks "are a viable and sometimes extremely effective way of
supporting the objectives of local communities, addressing unmet demand and
creating new opportunities for growth and prosperity in those communities,
which otherwise would not be there."

http://oecdinsights.org/2015/11/26/municipal-networks-contribute-to-increased-broadband-coverage
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From russell at vort.org  Tue Dec  1 18:34:34 2015
From: russell at vort.org (Russell Neches)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 18:34:34 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband Released &
 Article about El Macero
In-Reply-To: <1089958996.13722957.1449017219427.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1089958996.13722957.1449017219427.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1089958996.13722957.1449017219427.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1449023674.14094.196.camel@vort.org>

Of course! Hence, "as possible." I don't think we disagree.


Russell

On Wed, 2015-12-02 at 00:46 +0000, Shneor Sherman wrote:
> Russell, sorry to differ, but while some tech expertise will be
> needed (not necessarily in coding BTW), expertise in finance and on
> how best to educate Davis voters on the issue will also be needed. In
> addition, someone who can handle public hearings, which will be
> required once a concrete proposal is on the table, and community
> members who know nothing about this project, including folks who will
> vote against any tax. If you can properly educate those people, they
> will become the best advocates in preparation for an election. Some
> official representatives will also be needed, because they will help
> inform city council members, and will also represent municipal and
> school board interests.
> 
> Shneor Sherman 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 12/1/15, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org> wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis Staff Report on Broadband
> Released & Article about El Macero
>  To: "Steve McMahon" <steve at dcn.org>, "davisgig at list.omsoft.com" <
> davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>  Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 3:10 PM
>  
>  Ideally, we'd want the task force to
>  be as nerdy as possible. A deeper
>  understanding of computing and networking, more than any
>  other factor,
>  would militate against the big monopolies. Also, people with
>  close ties
>  to BigCableCo will probably tend to be business-oriented,
>  not
>  technical.
>  
>  So... we should advocate that task force members have some
>  serious
>  technical chops on their resumes, preferably quantified in
>  publications
>  accepted and lines of code written, rather than dollars
>  marshaled.
>  
>  
>  Russell
>  
>  On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:44 -0800, Steve McMahon wrote:
>  > The composition of the task force will also be very
>  important, and we
>  > should keep an eye on the selection process.
>  > 
>  > In particular, we'll want to make sure that nobody is
>  appointed who
>  > has a direct or indirect financial connection to the
>  cable industry
>  > or works in any position funded via cable franchise
>  funds.
>  > 
>  > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Russell Neches <russell at vort.org>
>  > wrote:
>  > > I agree with this general assessment. I have alway
>  been taken aback
>  > > by
>  > > how conservative the city staff is. It makes for a
>  weird contrast
>  > > with
>  > > the city polity. They are, nevertheless, extremely
>  professional.
>  > > 
>  > > It's critical to have support of the Council,
>  preferably
>  > > unanimously.
>  > > If there are any council members opposed, we need
>  to figure out
>  > > why,
>  > > and what to do about it.
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > Russell
>  > > 
>  > > On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 08:09 +0000, Shneor Sherman
>  via Davisgig
>  > > wrote:
>  > > > Once again, I have to say that if individual
>  city council members
>  > > are
>  > > > not on board, nothing will happen.If anyone
>  is acquainted with
>  > > any
>  > > > city council member, please have a
>  conversation with them about
>  > > this.
>  > > > We have made a pretty good rough cost
>  estimate of $30 million. We
>  > > > don't necessarily need a bond, as a utility
>  tax will do just as
>  > > well.
>  > > > The franchise, as far as I understand,
>  applies just to the city
>  > > and
>  > > > school district. Pulling the item off the
>  consent calendar  is
>  > > > definitely the best way to go. City staff
>  might be pro comcast
>  > > > (status quo), if they have any position at
>  all. That's why
>  > > educated
>  > > > city council direction is vital.
>  > > >
>  > > > Shneor Sherman
>  > > > --------------------------------------------
>  > > > On Mon, 11/30/15, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org>
>  wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > >  Subject: Re: [Davisgig] City of Davis
>  Staff Report on Broadband
>  > > > Released & Article about El Macero
>  > > >  To: "Robert Nickerson @ Omsoft" <omrob at omsoft.com>
>  > > >  Cc: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
>  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>  > > >  Date: Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:56
>  PM
>  > > >
>  > > >  I think
>  > > >  the possibility of a Spring 2016
>  measure was ruled out the
>  > > >  moment that we knew we would have other
>  financial matters on
>  > > >  the ballot. Nobody wants multiple tax
>  measures before the
>  > > >  voters at the same time. The risk of
>  everything failing is
>  > > >  too high.
>  > > >  I see this as a
>  > > >  reminder that the interests of the
>  institutional city and
>  > > >  the staff are not identical with ours.
>  We need to make sure
>  > > >  that the creation of a task force does
>  not eliminate or even
>  > > >  reduce activist efforts. There needs to
>  be some pressure
>  > > >  from the outside. This will help keep a
>  task force that may
>  > > >  well have some pro-cable or anti-tax
>  representatives
>  > > >  honest.
>  > > >  Whether the
>  > > >  item gets pulled from consent or not, I
>  don't think it
>  > > >  would hurt to have some speakers
>  pushing for an aggressive
>  > > >  timetable and a high priority.
>  > > >  On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
>  > > >  9:24 PM, Robert Nickerson <omrob at omsoft.com>
>  > > >  wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >      Hi
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >      Yeah so anyone else
>  please give it a neutral read, is
>  > > >  our
>  > > >      characterization
>  misplaced, in regards to this report
>  > > >  ?  Don't want
>  > > >      to mess up our graduation
>  to task force status,
>  > > >  but...
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >      Could be we have to queue
>  up in the public comment
>  > > >  tomorrow and ask
>  > > >      to be removed from
>  consent.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >      I've emailed the city
>  staff about the document and
>  > > >  its priorities to
>  > > >      see if I can get more
>  understanding and clarity
>  > > >  verbally.
>  > > >
>  > > >      I'll post results
>  tomorrow.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >      Thanks
>  > > >
>  > > >      RAN
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >      On 11/30/2015 8:22 PM,
>  Douglas A.
>  > > >        Walter wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >        Hi. It seems clear
>  to me that we should
>  > > >  not let the current
>  > > >          Council
>  accept the staff recommendation. I would
>  > > >  argue that in
>  > > >          2018, when
>  the Comcast franchise agreement expires,
>  > > >  the
>  > > >         
>  City+Schools will feel desperate to assure that
>  > > >  their pipes to
>  > > >          the
>  Internet don't get cut off (or busted back
>  > > >  to modem speeds),
>  > > >          and that
>  will help Comcast's negotiating
>  > > >  position on franchise
>  > > >          renewal. I
>  haven't taken the time to read the
>  > > >  report, but does
>  > > >          it not
>  sound like this is a very important deciding
>  > > >  point?
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >        I'd say NO to the
>  timeline, and no to the
>  > > >  Task Force as
>  > > >          proposed.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >          On Nov 30,
>  2015, at 7:53 PM, Robert
>  > > >  Nickerson wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >         
>     Hi
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>    I can only agree on that, now that I have read
>  > > >  this over.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>    The last interactions I've had with the City
>  > > >  Staff have been
>  > > >           
>    negative
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>    on having a June 2016 vote because of the
>  > > >  competing tax
>  > > >           
>    measure,
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>     and they suggested 11/2016 as more
>  > > >  appropriate.
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>      ked them to look into the reported
>  > > >  requirement that an
>  > > >           
>    election where there is a bond issue
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>    needed to be a city council election, and have
>  > > >  received no
>  > > >           
>    definitive answer.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>     Looks like this task force is a step back
>  from
>  > > >  even getting
>  > > >           
>    municipal Fiber optic,
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>     but more  focused on studying
>  broadband in
>  > > >  Davis,  and a
>  > > >           
>    lot of extra effort.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>    Anyone have any ideas on what to do with this ?
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>    The staff report and recommendation will be
>  > > >  presented as a
>  > > >           
>    consent item tomorrow at the city council.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>    Thanks
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>    P.S. How does this relate to the Sports
>  > > >  Complex?
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>    On 11/30/2015 11:34 AM, Shneor
>  > > >           
>      Sherman wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >           
>      The timeline will not allow for a 2016
>  > > >  referendum or any popular vote in 2016.
>  This proposal calls
>  > > >  for a second timeline to be started in
>  July, 2016 for policy
>  > > >  revisions, public hearings, etc. It's
>  probably more
>  > > >  realistic to look at 2018, when
>  Comcast's franchise
>  > > >  expires.
>  > > >
>  > > >  Shneor Sherman
>  > > > 
>  --------------------------------------------
>  > > >  On Mon, 11/30/15, Robert Nickerson
>  <rob at omsoft.com>
>  > > >  wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > >   Subject: [Davisgig] City of
>  Davis Staff Report on Broadband
>  > > >  Released & Article about El Macero
>  > > >   To: "davisgig at list.omsoft.com"
>  > > >  <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
>  > > >   Date: Monday, November 30,
>  2015, 11:08 AM
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >       Hi All
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >       1) Thanks to
>  all your efforts, we have a council item
>  > > >  on
>  > > >   the consent
>  > > >       calendar for
>  Tues Dec 1 meeting to recommend Davis
>  > > >  adopt
>  > > >   the Yolo
>  > > >       Broadband Plan
>  and make a Task Force to help the city
>  > > >   decide what is
>  > > >       best to do for
>  Davis for fiber.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >       A copy of the
>  staff report is here:
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >       
>  > > http://documents.cityofdavis.org/Media/Default/Documents/PDF/Ci
>  > > >
>  tyCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Agendas/20151201/05F-Broadband
>  > > -Update.pdf
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >       Its a rather
>  large document because it has the Yolo
>  > > >   Broadband Plan
>  > > >       attached to
>  it. The details about the Task force are in
>  > > >   the first
>  > > >       pages.  I
>  don't think this would have materialized
>  > > >   at all at the
>  > > >       City level
>  without everyone being a force, and asking
>  > > >   for and
>  > > >       delivering on
>  meetings, and Public Outreach.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >       2) An article
>  about community businesses funding an
>  > > >   Upgrade for El
>  > > >       Macero -
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >   
>  > > 
> http://www.davisenterprise.com/business/real-estate-company-enhance
>  > > > s-el-maceros-internet-connectivity/
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >       Does anyone
>  have any insight on whether this is really
>  > > >  a
>  > > >   Fiber
>  > > >       deployment or
>  just paying a deposit to fund a build out
>  > > >   by Comcast?
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >       Thanks
>  > > >
>  > > >       --
>  > > >
>  > > >         Rob
>  Nickerson
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >         CEO
>  > > >
>  > > >         Om
>  Networks
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From mike790 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 16:45:34 2015
From: mike790 at gmail.com (Mike Adams)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:45:34 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] =?utf-8?q?CPUC_Commission_Approves_Funding_for_Spiral?=
	=?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Gigabit_Internet_Network_Project_in_Nevada_Co?=
	=?utf-8?q?unty?=
Message-ID: <CAM8TqNfpw0J9m74H8wS9tf-yZ=hLD1Z1fPD18sgBz0ujynbjEg@mail.gmail.com>

FYI just got this from a friend on facebook
http://yubanet.com/regional/CPUC-Commission-Approves-Funding-for-Spiral-s-Gigabit-Internet-Network-Project-in-Nevada-County.php#.VmDhy_mrTIU
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From omrob at omsoft.com  Thu Dec  3 16:53:26 2015
From: omrob at omsoft.com (Robert Nickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:53:26 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig]
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Message-ID: <5660E406.8010200@omsoft.com>

Hi

That is super great, Jon Paul was one of the first people I met with to 
talk about community fiber earlier this year.

I'm sure he will pop into Davis one of these days and speak with us.

RAN

On 12/3/2015 4:45 PM, Mike Adams wrote:
> FYI just got this from a friend on facebook
> http://yubanet.com/regional/CPUC-Commission-Approves-Funding-for-Spiral-s-Gigabit-Internet-Network-Project-in-Nevada-County.php#.VmDhy_mrTIU
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From christopher at newrules.org  Tue Dec  8 06:58:29 2015
From: christopher at newrules.org (Christopher Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 08:58:29 -0600
Subject: [Davisgig] Recently in Community Networks... Week of 12/8
Message-ID: <CAAe53yvAWaQzgyaXujnzeZSRJfh7bvWDPZ3VNq0q-33z-qEWbg@mail.gmail.com>

*Recent Stories from MuniNetworks.org - a project of the **Institute for
Local Self-Reliance. Instructions for unsubscribing appear at bottom.  Send
feedback.  Forward Widely.*

Local Internet Improvement Districts in New Hampshire - Community Broadband
Bits Podcast 179
<http://muninetworks.org/content/local-internet-improvement-districts-new-hampshire-community-broadband-bits-podcast-179>
Tue, December 01, 2015 | Posted by christopher
<http://muninetworks.org/users/christopher>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/local-internet-improvement-districts-new-hampshire-community-broadband-bits-podcast-179>

Local governments in New Hampshire are quite limited in how they can use
public financing to invest in fiber optic networks, but Hanover
<http://www.hanovernh.org/> is exploring an approach to create voluntary
special assessment districts that would finance open access
<http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term625> fiber optic networks. Town
Manager Julia Griffin joins us for Community Broadband Bit
<http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term3>s Episode 179 to explain their
plans.

Though New Hampshire does not have any explicit barriers against municipal
networks, the state has not authorized local governments to bond for them,
which has certainly limited local authority to ensure high quality Internet
access.

But Hanover is one of several communities around the country that is
exploring special assessment districts (sometimes called local improvement
districts) that would allow residents and local businesses to opt into an
assessment that would finance construction and allow them to pay it off
over many years. This approach is well suited to Hanover, which has access
to the Fast Roads open access network
<http://www.newhampshirefastroads.net/>.

... Listen to the Show here
<http://muninetworks.org/content/local-internet-improvement-districts-new-hampshire-community-broadband-bits-podcast-179>
... Read the transcript from this episode here
<http://muninetworks.org/content/transcript-community-broadband-bits-episode-179>
 ...

Fairlawn, Ohio Pursuing Design Plan for Muni Broadband Utility
<http://muninetworks.org/content/fairlawn-ohio-pursuing-design-plan-muni-broadband-utility-0>
Mon, November 30, 2015 | Posted by Scott
<http://muninetworks.org/users/scott>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/fairlawn-ohio-pursuing-design-plan-muni-broadband-utility-0>

Fairlawn, Ohio <http://www.cityoffairlawn.com/> this fall took a ?huge step
forward? toward launching its own high-speed municipal broadband utility.

The City Council recently approved
<http://www.akron.com/akron-ohio-community-news.asp?aID=27939> hiring a
consultant to design and establish the business model for building
?FairlawnGig,? a municipal broadband network. At completion, the city
envisions the new utility will provide the community with comprehensive
Wi-Fi <http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term29> connectivity and
Fiber-To-The-Home (FTTH <http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term13>)
service for businesses and residents.

*Faster Internet speeds  *

?It will be a fiber network that will give one gig (i.e. gigabit per second
or Gbps <http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term14>) of service, which is
1,000 times what people have right now,? City Deputy Service Director Ernie
Staten said in an Akron.com news report
<http://www.akron.com/akron-ohio-community-news.asp?aID=27939>.

... Read our Full Coverage Here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/fairlawn-ohio-pursuing-design-plan-muni-broadband-utility-0>

Madison, Wisconsin Pilot: Fiber In The Fall
<http://muninetworks.org/content/madison-wisconsin-pilot-fiber-fall>
Thu, December 03, 2015 | Posted by lgonzalez
<http://muninetworks.org/users/lgonzalez>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/madison-wisconsin-pilot-fiber-fall>

Four low-income neighborhoods in Madison will soon have access to fast,
reliable, affordable Internet access, thanks to a municipal
fiber-to-the-home (FTTH <http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term13>) pilot
program.

*Fast, Affordable, Reliable...Soon!*

According to a recent Cap Times article
<http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/madison-moving-forward-on-fiber-to-the-home-internet-pilot/article_f0beaad3-00a2-5679-a3f2-23094d258314.html>,
installation will begin in the spring of 2016; community leaders anticipate
the network will start serving residents in the fall. The cost of the pilot
is estimated at $512,000. The original plan was to offer the pilot in two
areas, but in the City Council recently approved
<http://www.cityofmadison.com/clerk/documents/packet_037.pdf> an amendment
to the city budget to cover the cost of expanding the pilot. Funds for the
construction will come from the city's capital budget.

... More Details from This Fascinating Pilot Approach Here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/madison-wisconsin-pilot-fiber-fall>
?Crazy Fast? Connectivity Expands in Westminster, Maryland
<http://muninetworks.org/content/%E2%80%9Ccrazy-fast%E2%80%9D-connectivity-expands-westminster-maryland>
Tue, December 01, 2015 | Posted by ternste
<http://muninetworks.org/users/ternste>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/%E2%80%9Ccrazy-fast%E2%80%9D-connectivity-expands-westminster-maryland>

Gigabit Internet access will soon be reaching more residents in
Westminster. The high-speed municipal fiber-to-the-home (FTTH
<http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term13>) network in Maryland will soon
add more than 2,000 new homes
<http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/news/local/ph-cc-westminster-fiber-second-phase-20151024-story.html>
to
the network map
<http://westminster-md.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Viewer/index.html?appid=f813f2806d2a494c91291cde1b1babfd&extent=-77.0571,39.5412,-76.8923,39.6150>
.

*The Incredible Expanding Network*

The network is a product of a public-private partnership
<http://www.muninetworks.org/content/public-private-partnerships-reality-check>
with
telecommunications companyTing.
<https://ting.com/blog/internet/westminster/> The expansion provides more
evidence of the continuing success of the network in this city of just
under 19,000 people about 35 miles northwest of Baltimore.

The network was originally planned as a pilot project
<http://www.muninetworks.org/content/westminster-maryland-move-forward-fiber-pilot-projects>
confined
to small, select areas of Westminster, but high demand
<http://www.muninetworks.org/content/westminsters-fiber-project-drawing-business-new-york-city-maryland>
prompted
community leaders to broaden the reach
<http://www.muninetworks.org/content/westminster-marylands-fiber-pilot-project-grows>
of
the project. Eventually, Westminster budgeted for citywide infrastructure
<http://www.muninetworks.org/content/westminster-budgets-open-access-fiber-network>
.

... Read the Rest of this Story Here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/%E2%80%9Ccrazy-fast%E2%80%9D-connectivity-expands-westminster-maryland>

TN For Fiber's New Video On Family Life In Bradley County
<http://muninetworks.org/content/tn-fibers-new-video-family-life-bradley-county>
Wed, December 02, 2015 | Posted by lgonzalez
<http://muninetworks.org/users/lgonzalez>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/tn-fibers-new-video-family-life-bradley-county>

In a new video, Tennessee Fiber Optic Communities
<https://vimeo.com/user40968953> profiles what it is like for a family
living in Bradley County, just outside of the reach of Chattanooga's EPB
Fiber Optic network. Debbie Williams describes how she and her family
struggle with a long list of issues most of us associate with the bygone
era of dial-up Internet.

Watch this video and you will realize how families just outside of
statutory limitations of EPB Fiber are living a different life than
families served by the network. No one should have to deal with these kinds
of problems. As Debbie puts it, "It's just wrong."

... Watch the Video Here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/tn-fibers-new-video-family-life-bradley-county>


Montana Coop Turns Up the Speed: 16 Counties, 23,000 Square Miles
<http://muninetworks.org/content/montana-coop-turns-speed-16-counties-23000-square-miles>
Fri, December 04, 2015 | Posted by hannah
<http://muninetworks.org/users/hannah>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/montana-coop-turns-speed-16-counties-23000-square-miles>

Montana may have high speed limits on roads, but this Montana coop?s
network will let you surf the web even faster. Triangle Communications
<http://www.itstriangle.com/about-us> received analmost $30 million
<http://www.kfbb.com/story/29611365/local-communications-company-awarded-30-million-for-fiber-optic-cables>
loan
from the USDA to provide rural Central Montana with high-speed Internet
access.

Triangle Communications will finish upgrading its aging copper network - a
technology mostly used for telephone - to a fiber network that can support
both telephone and high-speed Internet. The loan comes from the USDA?s
initiative, announced in July, promising $85 million to improve
connectivity in rural areas. The Triangle Communications coop is upgrading
its entire system spanning 16 counties (that?s more than 23,000 square
miles from the Canadian to the Wyoming border!).

... More on This Rural Cooperative Approach Here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/montana-coop-turns-speed-16-counties-23000-square-miles>

No Love Lost Between North Carolina A.G. And State Barrier
<http://muninetworks.org/content/no-love-lost-between-north-carolina-ag-and-state-barrier>
Sat, December 05, 2015 | Posted by ternste
<http://muninetworks.org/users/ternste>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/no-love-lost-between-north-carolina-ag-and-state-barrier>

The State of North Carolina is currently awaiting a decision from the U.S.
Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals as the court considers the FCC's February
decision to roll back state barriers. North Carolina Attorney General Roy
Cooper's office is heading up the state's appeal, but is his heart in it?

Cooper is running
<https://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/elections/cooper-launches-bid-governor-3010379>
for
governor and, in a recent interview
<http://www.wilsontimes.com/News/Feature/Story/38938021---Cooper-reaches-out-to-Wilson-residents>,
expressed his views about H129
<http://www.muninetworks.org/content/digging-h129-another-bill-nc-limit-local-authority-and-broadband-competition>,
the focus of the appeal in North Carolina [emphasis ours]:

The Legislature has passed a lot of *bad laws*, but it is the job of the
attorney general to defend state laws...And I wish the governor and the
General Assembly would stop passing so many*bad laws* that create
litigation. We?ve seen that in many instances. This is another situation
where the attorney general?s office is duty bound to defend state law.

... A Few More Details on This Story Here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/no-love-lost-between-north-carolina-ag-and-state-barrier>

Community Broadband Media Roundup - November 27
<http://muninetworks.org/content/community-broadband-media-roundup-november-27>
Tue, December 01, 2015 | Posted by Nick <http://muninetworks.org/users/nick>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/community-broadband-media-roundup-november-27>

*Colorado*

More questions and answers on county's broadband project
<http://www.theheraldtimes.com/more-questions-and-answers-on-countys-broadband-project/rio-blanco-county/?mc_cid=03c7c42841&mc_eid=2910c7b52b>
by
The Herald Times



*Minnesota*

Local telecom companies receive broadband grants, local projects supported
<http://www.mankatofreepress.com/news/business/local-telecom-companies-receive-broadband-grants-local-projects-supported/article_f8d246b6-8fa2-11e5-b67a-030d08bbfe0f.html>
by
Nancy Madsen, Mankato Free Press

15 rural areas picked to benefit from $11M in broadband Internet funding
<http://bringmethenews.com/2015/11/20/15-rural-areas-picked-to-benefit-from-11m-in-broadband-internet-funding/>
by
Adam Uren, Bring Me the News

... Read the Full Community Broadband Media Roundup here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/community-broadband-media-roundup-november-27>

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From: christopher at newrules.org (Christopher Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:47:13 -0600
Subject: [Davisgig] Recently in Community Networks... Week of 12/15
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Speedy Holiday Gift in Tullahoma
<http://muninetworks.org/content/speedy-holiday-gift-tullahoma>
Sat, December 12, 2015 | Posted by lgonzalez
<http://muninetworks.org/users/lgonzalez>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/speedy-holiday-gift-tullahoma>

Tullahoma Utilities Board LightTUBe <http://www.tub.net/> customers are
once again receiving a special holiday gift via the municipal fiber
network. As of December 5th, subscribers got a boost in speeds with no
boost in price.

>From the LightTUBe Facebook
<https://www.facebook.com/TUB-LightTUBe-69707771514/?fref=ts> page:

[image: lightube-fast-speed-fb-2015.png]

More good news is on the way after the first of the year. According to
General Manager Brian Skelton, rates for the two highest tiers will
*decrease*. Symmetrical <http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term24> gigabit
Internet service will drop from $99.95 per month to $89.95 per month and
200 Megabits per second (Mbps <http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term18>)
symmetrical Internet service will decrease from $79.95 per month to $74.95
per month.

... Higher Capacities, Lower Prices - Another Benefit of Community Networks
... <http://muninetworks.org/content/speedy-holiday-gift-tullahoma>

Maine House Representative Pushes for Better Internet Access - Community
Broadband Bits Podcast 180
<http://muninetworks.org/content/maine-house-representative-pushes-better-internet-access-community-broadband-bits-podcast-18>
Tue, December 08, 2015 | Posted by christopher
<http://muninetworks.org/users/christopher>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/maine-house-representative-pushes-better-internet-access-community-broadband-bits-podcast-18>

Eleven months ago, we noted the incredible energy in the Maine Legislature
around improving Internet access
<http://muninetworks.org/content/maine-legislature-all-about-broadband-2015>.
Maine State Representative Norm Higgins joins us this week for Community
Broadband Bits Podcast episode 180.

Rep. Norm Higgins, a newcomer to the Legislature, pushed hard for
legislation to encourage municipal open access
<http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term625> networks as well as removing
barriers to increased investment including a tax on the Three-Ring Binder
project. He was part of a large majority that moved some key bills forward
despite fierce opposition from Time Warner Cable
<http://muninetworks.org/content/time-warner-cable-takes-maine-lawmakers-exclusive-hotel-lobbying-tryst>
and
others.

We talk with Rep. Higgins about the various bills, including LD 1185
<http://muninetworks.org/content/graphic-ld-1185-proposes-planning-grants-munis-maine>,
which would have created planning grants for community owned open access
networks but passed without any funding.

... Listen to the Show Here
<http://muninetworks.org/content/maine-house-representative-pushes-better-internet-access-community-broadband-bits-podcast-18>
... Read the transcript from this episode here
<http://muninetworks.org/content/transcript-community-broadband-bits-episode-180>
 ...

Island Community Builds Their Own Network: Coverage in Ars and Video From
The Scene
<http://muninetworks.org/content/island-community-builds-their-own-network-coverage-ars-and-video-scene>
Thu, December 10, 2015 | Posted by lgonzalez
<http://muninetworks.org/users/lgonzalez>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/island-community-builds-their-own-network-coverage-ars-and-video-scene>

Island living has its perks - the roar of the waves, the fresh breeze, the
beauty of an ocean sunset - but good Internet access is usually not one of
them.

A November Ars Technica article
<http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/>
profiles
Orcas Island, located in Washington state. Residents of the island's Doe
Bay chose to enjoy the perks of island living*and* do what it took to get
the Internet they needed. By using the natural and human resources on the
island, the community created the nonprofit Doe Bay Internet Users
Association <http://dbiua.org/> (DBIUA). The wireless network provides
Internet access to a section of the island not served by incumbent
CenturyLink.

... Watch the Video and Get the Rest of the Story Here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/island-community-builds-their-own-network-coverage-ars-and-video-scene>

What's Next For Southern Tier Network?
<http://muninetworks.org/content/whats-next-southern-tier-network>
Mon, December 07, 2015 | Posted by ternste
<http://muninetworks.org/users/ternste>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/whats-next-southern-tier-network>

With construction of a major community broadband network behind them, local
leaders in New York State?s Southern Tier region are now considering the
potential for the recently completed dark fiber network.

Since becoming operational in 2014, the Southern Tier Network
<http://www.southerntiernetwork.org/> (STN) is already serving over 100
industrial and government service entities across the region. STN is a
not-for-profit, local development corporation that built, owns, and manages
the network for the region.

Jack Benjamin, president of economic development organization, Three Rivers
Development Corporation <http://3riverscorp.com/>, explained the value of
the network to the region in a July Star Gazette article
<http://www.stargazette.com/story/news/local/2015/07/10/southern-tier-network-internet-connections/29967837/>
:

... See the Quote and Rest of the Story Here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/whats-next-southern-tier-network>

Two Fiber Networks Collaborate: Aim to Bridge Digital Divide in Georgia
<http://muninetworks.org/content/two-fiber-networks-collaborate-aim-bridge-digital-divide-georgia>
Wed, December 09, 2015 | Posted by ternste
<http://muninetworks.org/users/ternste>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/two-fiber-networks-collaborate-aim-bridge-digital-divide-georgia>

In October, the North Georgia Network
<http://ngn.coop/about-north-georgia-network/> (NGN) cooperative announced
<http://ngn.coop/2015/ngn-and-georgia-public-web-partner-to-bridge-the-digital-divide-and-expand-broadband-availability-to-underserved-areas-of-georgia/>the
formation of a new partnership with Georgia Public Web
<http://www.gapublicweb.net/> (GPW), a pairing that will conjoin two large
fiber optic networks that together cover most of the State of Georgia. The
newly announced partnership will enable the two organizations to more
effectively confront their shared mission to improve broadband access
across the state. Paul Belk, president and CEO of NGN, expressed his
enthusiasm for the new partnership:

GPW is a great company for NGN to work with, as we have similar goals to
serve communities challenged with ?the digital divide.? The companies are
great links to each other because GPW serves most of the state with the
exception of NGN?s footprint. Together we create a complete solution.

*Two Networks Become One*

This partnership connects GPW?s nearly 3,500 mile fiber optic network that
stretches across most of the state to NGN?s 1,600 mile network. As Mr. Belk
noted, a look at NGN?s network map
<http://ngn.coop/technology/interactive-network-map/> shows that it covers
one of the few remaining service areas in Georgia that GPW?s massive
network map <http://www.gapublicweb.net/Network_Map%202.html> does not
reach.

... Read our Full Coverage Here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/two-fiber-networks-collaborate-aim-bridge-digital-divide-georgia>

PILOTing Positive in Tennessee
<http://muninetworks.org/content/piloting-positive-tennessee>
Fri, December 11, 2015 | Posted by ternste
<http://muninetworks.org/users/ternste>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/piloting-positive-tennessee>

As the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals reviews
<http://www.muninetworks.org/content/resource-central-tn-and-nc-appeal-fcc-decision-restore-local-authority>
the
FCC's February decision
<http://www.muninetworks.org/content/cable-companies-lose-big-fcc-barriers-community-broadband-struck-down>
to
scale back state anti-muni laws in Tennessee, at least two munis in the
Volunteer State are giving back by saving dollars. Networks are also
contributing substantially to  public coffers via Payment in Lieu of Taxes.

*Clarksville, Tennessee, Network Becomes Revenue Positive in 2015*

As of June 2015, the city?s utility provider CDE Lightband paid off
<http://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/news/2015/10/21/cde-lightband-black-year/74339806/?mc_cid=077a563f51&mc_eid=e00c29a42c>
all
outstanding expenses related to their fiber optic network. General manager
Brian Taylor described how the network has improved the city?s utility
services and overall economic picture:

... See the Actual Amounts These Networks Raise in Lieu of Taxes ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/piloting-positive-tennessee>

Flipping the Switch in Santa Fe
<http://muninetworks.org/content/flipping-switch-santa-fe>
Fri, December 11, 2015 | Posted by lgonzalez
<http://muninetworks.org/users/lgonzalez>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/flipping-switch-santa-fe>

In May, Chris introduced you
<http://www.muninetworks.org/content/santa-fes-targeted-fiber-investment-community-broadband-bits-podcast-152>
to
Sean Moody from Santa Fe's Economic Development Division, to explain how
the community was investing in a new fiber link
<http://www.muninetworks.org/content/santa-fe-ready-improve-local-internet-choice>to
better serve the local business community. With a little competition, Santa
Fe officials expect more choice, better connectivity, and improved services.

CenturyLink controls the community's only connection to the Internet and
the line bringing access to the web into the downtown district. Santa Fe's
$1 million investment creates another path to encourage other providers to
compete. Residents in Santa Fe pay approximately $50 per month for average
speeds of 5 Megabits per second (Mbps
<http://muninetworks.org/glossary/1#term18>) while nearby Albuquerque pays
the same for 10 Mbps.

... The Switch Has Been Flipped ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/flipping-switch-santa-fe>

Community Broadband Media Roundup - December 8
<http://muninetworks.org/content/community-broadband-media-roundup-december-8>
Tue, December 08, 2015 | Posted by rebecca
<http://muninetworks.org/users/rebecca>
<http://muninetworks.org/content/community-broadband-media-roundup-december-8>

*Community Broadband Stories By State*

*Colorado*

Voters ask city to continue broadband conversation
<http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2015/12/01/fort-collins-municipal-broadband/76637816/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=>
by
Darin Atteberry, The Coloradoan

Last month, 83 percent of Fort Collins voters chose to overturn Senate Bill
152, removing legal barriers to the city of Fort Collins? direct or
indirect involvement in providing high-speed broadband. That vote allows us
to spend the next several months carefully exploring possibilities in order
to identify and begin planning for an appropriate model in Fort Collins.

It is clear that this community wants next-generation high-speed broadband
access. City Councilmembers and I regularly hear from residents and
businesses that the status quo is not working, and that faster speeds and
greater reliability are crucial moving forward.

 ... Read the Full Community Broadband Media Roundup here ...
<http://muninetworks.org/content/community-broadband-media-roundup-december-8>

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From rob at omsoft.com  Wed Dec 16 10:20:57 2015
From: rob at omsoft.com (Robert Nickerson)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:20:57 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] Fwd: Santa Cruz CA Unleashes Innovative Broadband
 Public-Private Partnership
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Hi

Hooray for Santa Cruz

RAN


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From alw at waterhouses.us  Wed Dec 23 20:30:55 2015
From: alw at waterhouses.us (Andrew Waterhouse)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 20:30:55 -0800
Subject: [Davisgig] A key argument to public access
Message-ID: <018601d13e03$e2610c50$a72324f0$@waterhouses.us>

One argument for public access internet is that the existing media providers
have a damaged business model that means they may not be able to fulfill any
contractual obligations they accept.  

In particular, the new model of on-demand media means that the cable
providers will no longer be able to sustain their businesses.  Wall Street
seems to agree.

The following is an academic analysis of the future of "television" 

https://theconversation.com/why-2015-was-the-year-that-changed-tv-forever-52
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