[Davisgig] Meeting with Communications Resources

Mon Apr 20 23:16:42 PDT 2015

Again, specific cost estimates would be useful for owners of complexes. Is there any way to estimate costs per apartment using the most efficient method (probably lacking currently)? Also, a question for the city, would fiber increase property tax? Likely, if it increases apartment and home values. Might there be a way to mitigate that?
Shneor Sherman
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On Mon, 4/20/15, Fei Li <flcli at ucdavis.edu> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Meeting with Communications Resources
 To: "Paul" <pbiddle at omsoft.com>, "davisgig at list.omsoft.com" <davisgig at list.omsoft.com>
 Date: Monday, April 20, 2015, 1:37 PM

 > There is a high
 turnover rate of residents with
 > new
 students every year, making customer saturation highly
 variable.

 Maybe something
 that we don't need to worry about. Housing vacancy is
 less than 1% in the city of Davis and it's probably not
 gonna get any better any time soon (even with the Cannery
 opening). 

 Even if we could
 get a few properties on board with running new wires, it
 still might not cause an immediate adoption among all
 properties because of the high demand for housing
 (regardless of infrastructure).

 HOWEVER, here are some things to think about if
 fiber does get adopted:
 Property management
 groups will probably be slow to adopt fiber because some of
 them will have to rework their expensive infrastructure.
 Fiber capabilities will become a "feature" for
 them to provide in order to stay competitive. Apartment
 complexes and other properties will probably model fiber
 capability similar to how they provide cable or wifi:  Free
 fiber, fiber-ready, no fiber.

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 Apartment complexes and other MDU
 (multidwelling unit) are tricky. There
 are
 many different common wiring configurations among MDU, some
 of which
 are very problematic. There is a
 high turnover rate of residents with
 new
 students every year, making customer saturation highly
 variable.
 Management at properties can
 change fairly regularly as well making long
 term contracts difficult.

 The ideal wiring configuration is a single MPOE
 in central lockable
 wiring closet where all
 units on the property have a direct wire run.
 This usually provides a dry and secure location
 for the DSL equipment
 with easy access to
 electrical power. This configuration requires only
 one fiber run and also reduces the amount of
 required expensive DSL
 equipment
 (potentially tens of thousands of dollars per apartment
 complex). Unfortunately this is the least
 common wiring configuration
 from what I have
 seen in Davis.

 The most
 common configuration is multiple MPOE in small wiring
 cabinets
 located on the side of each
 distinct building on the property. These
 cabinets usually service anywhere from 8 to 16
 units each. These
 cabinets are too small to
 add any equipment to and have no electrical. A
 new weatherproof and lockable cabinet would
 need to be installed nearby
 with a fiber
 drop and electrical. This also increases the amount of
 DSL
 equipment needed per property since you
 need at least one DSLAM per
 building even if
 there is only one customer using it.

 Even in the multiple MPOE configuration there
 are different kinds of
 internal wiring. The
 ideal situation is a direct run from each unit
 which usually provides 2 to 4 dedicated wire
 pairs per unit. The more
 common situation is
 one or two 8-pair cables that run behind every
 outlet through every apartment in the building.
 This wiring method is
 problematic for
 multiple reasons. A wire pair may be severed or
 disrupted behind any outlet in any apartment
 and will be difficult if
 not impossible to
 resolve without having access to every apartment in
 which the wire runs. It also increases the
 total length of the copper
 run which will
 decrease the quality of the DSL signal. In this scenario
 it is common for multiple pairs to be simply
 unusable, and some
 apartments to be
 unserviceable without a new wire run. Some apartment
 managers are simply unwilling to address phone
 wiring issues.

 MDU may be a
 good market but they come with a whole new list of
 considerations that may be more applicable to
 the service provider than
 to the
 infrastructure provider.

 On 4/15/2015
 3:51 PM, Steve McMahon wrote:
 > I seem to
 recall from the old Telecommunications Commission days
 that
 > UCD has a survey (or list) of
 apartment buildings with very large
 >
 numbers of students.
 >
 > It occurs to me that these apartment
 complexes might be great
 > opportunities
 for early deployment. They're going to have a very
 high
 > connection density, making for
 rapid payback.
 >
 > I
 believe that in South Korea, a common mechanism for
 apartment
 > buildings is to take fiber to
 the apartment buildings then use a very
 >
 high-speed, short-distance version of DSL to use twisted
 pair to
 > apartment buildings. I wonder
 if that's feasible here. I'd love to
 > find a way to make big apartment complexes
 early supporters of this
 > project.

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