From rob at omsoft.com Wed Dec 17 18:29:19 2014 From: rob at omsoft.com (Robert Nickerson) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:29:19 -0800 Subject: [Davisgig] Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA Message-ID: <54923BFF.6060404@omsoft.com> Hi Davisites WELCOME to the Davis GIG email list. Well, at some point you have expressed interest in getting Gigabit Fiber infrastructure installed in Davis, so I have created this list as one of the tools we can use to explore this concept, and see if we can all bring this to fruition. Attached is a document I wrote up in response to the Fiber Internet (Request for Expression of Interest) RFEI the City of Davis put out in May at the same time the Innovation Park RFEI went out. At the time, I was trying to convince, a larger Stockton based Phone Company to join me in putting in a response, so please excuse the somewhat informal tone of this document, as that was its first incarnation. Omsoft never put in a response, and I'm not aware of other responses, and time has passed. Since then, lots of cities seem to be interested in putting their own networks in, and are committing themselves to providing this infrastructure to their residents, and from my point of view our city would be well suited to do the same. The Internet duoopoly is tightening its hold on things, and net neutrality issues aside, our government's ability to protect the privacy, affordability and integrity of our telecommunications has degraded. Putting in this network will do many positive things for our City, but its going to take a major group effort to get this worked out and approved. I also want to make sure its all reasonable, do-oable and it will be a good thing for our community, and so I'm asking you to take a look at this proto white paper I've put together and think critically on it, and provide feedback. If you have feedback, this list would be the place for it, and I think in time if it passes this first test, we should meet at Sudwerk or something and work on figuring out next steps. For now , lets take this as a thought experiment and go from there. Here are some links pertinent to this topic A coalition of Cities doing this http://nextcenturycities.org/ A way to fund it http://crowdfiber.com/ If others have more links, please share and discuss. I look forward to working with you all to get this going in our city. Best -- Rob Nickerson CEO Om Networks UCD Class of 96 C: 530-848-3865 If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good recommendation at daviswiki.org , and/or yelp.com . Please like us on Facebook . and put us in your circle at Google+ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FiberRFEI.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 68507 bytes Desc: not available URL: From AHirsch at Neighborhoodselect.org Thu Dec 18 14:54:46 2014 From: AHirsch at Neighborhoodselect.org (A Hirsch Tree Planter) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:54:46 -0800 Subject: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robert: Thanks for organizing this. We need to flag this with city council so it is included as part of Davis Innovation park efforts and city Innovation officer has as part of his charter! Comcast is a disaster. Thanks for Sonic -I am luck I live close enough to get reasonable DSL speed. Alan Hirsch -----Original Message----- From: davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com [mailto:davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com] On Behalf Of davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:30 PM To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com Subject: Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 Send Davisgig mailing list submissions to davisgig at list.omsoft.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com You can reach the person managing the list at davisgig-owner at list.omsoft.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Davisgig digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA (Robert Nickerson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:29:19 -0800 From: Robert Nickerson To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com Subject: [Davisgig] Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA Message-ID: <54923BFF.6060404 at omsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Hi Davisites WELCOME to the Davis GIG email list. Well, at some point you have expressed interest in getting Gigabit Fiber infrastructure installed in Davis, so I have created this list as one of the tools we can use to explore this concept, and see if we can all bring this to fruition. Attached is a document I wrote up in response to the Fiber Internet (Request for Expression of Interest) RFEI the City of Davis put out in May at the same time the Innovation Park RFEI went out. At the time, I was trying to convince, a larger Stockton based Phone Company to join me in putting in a response, so please excuse the somewhat informal tone of this document, as that was its first incarnation. Omsoft never put in a response, and I'm not aware of other responses, and time has passed. Since then, lots of cities seem to be interested in putting their own networks in, and are committing themselves to providing this infrastructure to their residents, and from my point of view our city would be well suited to do the same. The Internet duoopoly is tightening its hold on things, and net neutrality issues aside, our government's ability to protect the privacy, affordability and integrity of our telecommunications has degraded. Putting in this network will do many positive things for our City, but its going to take a major group effort to get this worked out and approved. I also want to make sure its all reasonable, do-oable and it will be a good thing for our community, and so I'm asking you to take a look at this proto white paper I've put together and think critically on it, and provide feedback. If you have feedback, this list would be the place for it, and I think in time if it passes this first test, we should meet at Sudwerk or something and work on figuring out next steps. For now , lets take this as a thought experiment and go from there. Here are some links pertinent to this topic A coalition of Cities doing this http://nextcenturycities.org/ A way to fund it http://crowdfiber.com/ If others have more links, please share and discuss. I look forward to working with you all to get this going in our city. Best -- Rob Nickerson CEO Om Networks UCD Class of 96 C: 530-848-3865 If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good recommendation at daviswiki.org , and/or yelp.com . Please like us on Facebook . and put us in your circle at Google+ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FiberRFEI.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 68506 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Davisgig mailing list Davisgig at list.omsoft.com http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig End of Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 ************************************** From rob at omsoft.com Thu Dec 18 15:28:53 2014 From: rob at omsoft.com (Robert Nickerson) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:28:53 -0800 Subject: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54936335.2090801@omsoft.com> Hi Yeah I think a good plan would be to get some kind of talking points, and good document. Make sure we have collectively "thought it through" So when we do go to council folks - we have a good plan of how to do it, and how it will work, and we aren't herming and hawing. So that's why I'm asking for feedback, and perhaps an organizational meeting so we can hammer that out. RAN On 12/18/2014 2:54 PM, A Hirsch Tree Planter wrote: > Robert: > > Thanks for organizing this. We need to flag this with city council so it is > included as part of Davis Innovation park efforts and city Innovation > officer has as part of his charter! Comcast is a disaster. > > Thanks for Sonic -I am luck I live close enough to get reasonable DSL > speed. > > Alan Hirsch > > > -----Original Message----- > From: davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com > [mailto:davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com] On Behalf Of > davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:30 PM > To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com > Subject: Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 > > Send Davisgig mailing list submissions to > davisgig at list.omsoft.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > davisgig-owner at list.omsoft.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Davisgig digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA (Robert Nickerson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:29:19 -0800 > From: Robert Nickerson > To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com > Subject: [Davisgig] Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA > Message-ID:<54923BFF.6060404 at omsoft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > Hi Davisites > > WELCOME to the Davis GIG email list. > > Well, at some point you have expressed interest in getting Gigabit Fiber > infrastructure installed in Davis, so I have created this list as one of the > tools we can use to explore this concept, and see if we can all bring this > to fruition. > Attached is a document I wrote up in response to the Fiber Internet (Request > for Expression of Interest) RFEI the City of Davis put out in May at the > same time the Innovation Park RFEI went out. At the time, I was trying to > convince, a larger Stockton based Phone Company to join me in putting in a > response, so please excuse the somewhat informal tone of this document, as > that was its first incarnation. > > Omsoft never put in a response, and I'm not aware of other responses, and > time has passed. Since then, lots of cities seem to be interested in putting > their own networks in, and are committing themselves to providing this > infrastructure to their residents, and from my point of view our city would > be well suited to do the same. The Internet duoopoly is tightening its hold > on things, and net neutrality issues aside, our government's ability to > protect the privacy, affordability and integrity of our telecommunications > has degraded. > > Putting in this network will do many positive things for our City, but its > going to take a major group effort to get this worked out and approved. I > also want to make sure its all reasonable, do-oable and it will be a good > thing for our community, and so I'm asking you to take a look at this proto > white paper I've put together and think critically on it, and provide > feedback. > > If you have feedback, this list would be the place for it, and I think in > time if it passes this first test, we should meet at Sudwerk or something > and work on figuring out next steps. > > For now , lets take this as a thought experiment and go from there. > > Here are some links pertinent to this topic > > A coalition of Cities doing this > http://nextcenturycities.org/ > > A way to fund it > http://crowdfiber.com/ > > If others have more links, please share and discuss. I look forward to > working with you all to get this going in our city. > > Best > -- > Rob Nickerson > > CEO > Om Networks > UCD Class of 96 > C: 530-848-3865 > > If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good > recommendation at daviswiki.org, and/or > yelp.com. > Please like us on Facebook > . and put us in your circle > at Google+ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > achment.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: FiberRFEI.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 68506 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > achment.pdf> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > > > End of Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 > ************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > -- Rob Nickerson CEO Om Networks UCD Class of 96 C: 530-848-3865 If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good recommendation at daviswiki.org , and/or yelp.com . Please like us on Facebook . and put us in your circle at Google+ From flcli at ucdavis.edu Thu Dec 18 15:36:21 2014 From: flcli at ucdavis.edu (Fei Li) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 23:36:21 +0000 Subject: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <54936335.2090801@omsoft.com> References: , <54936335.2090801@omsoft.com> Message-ID: <1418945781186.4586@UCDAVIS.EDU> We could try to get 2 documents going: The first would be for public consumption that: 1) Describes the shortfalls of the current ISP models in Davis with specific examples of how Comcast/ATT/Verizon/etc are anti-"things that you support" and pro-"things that you are against". 2) Describes the benefits of municipal fiber and how they address the issues that are rampant with our current ISP options. The second would be for local gov't, businesses, UC Davis, and other interested parties: The business and technical aspects of things. I admit that I'm not well-versed in these areas, which is where our collective knowledge and experience will benefit us. ________________________________________ From: davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com on behalf of Robert Nickerson Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:28 PM To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 Hi Yeah I think a good plan would be to get some kind of talking points, and good document. Make sure we have collectively "thought it through" So when we do go to council folks - we have a good plan of how to do it, and how it will work, and we aren't herming and hawing. So that's why I'm asking for feedback, and perhaps an organizational meeting so we can hammer that out. RAN On 12/18/2014 2:54 PM, A Hirsch Tree Planter wrote: > Robert: > > Thanks for organizing this. We need to flag this with city council so it is > included as part of Davis Innovation park efforts and city Innovation > officer has as part of his charter! Comcast is a disaster. > > Thanks for Sonic -I am luck I live close enough to get reasonable DSL > speed. > > Alan Hirsch > > > -----Original Message----- > From: davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com > [mailto:davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com] On Behalf Of > davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:30 PM > To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com > Subject: Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 > > Send Davisgig mailing list submissions to > davisgig at list.omsoft.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > davisgig-owner at list.omsoft.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Davisgig digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA (Robert Nickerson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:29:19 -0800 > From: Robert Nickerson > To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com > Subject: [Davisgig] Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA > Message-ID:<54923BFF.6060404 at omsoft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > Hi Davisites > > WELCOME to the Davis GIG email list. > > Well, at some point you have expressed interest in getting Gigabit Fiber > infrastructure installed in Davis, so I have created this list as one of the > tools we can use to explore this concept, and see if we can all bring this > to fruition. > Attached is a document I wrote up in response to the Fiber Internet (Request > for Expression of Interest) RFEI the City of Davis put out in May at the > same time the Innovation Park RFEI went out. At the time, I was trying to > convince, a larger Stockton based Phone Company to join me in putting in a > response, so please excuse the somewhat informal tone of this document, as > that was its first incarnation. > > Omsoft never put in a response, and I'm not aware of other responses, and > time has passed. Since then, lots of cities seem to be interested in putting > their own networks in, and are committing themselves to providing this > infrastructure to their residents, and from my point of view our city would > be well suited to do the same. The Internet duoopoly is tightening its hold > on things, and net neutrality issues aside, our government's ability to > protect the privacy, affordability and integrity of our telecommunications > has degraded. > > Putting in this network will do many positive things for our City, but its > going to take a major group effort to get this worked out and approved. I > also want to make sure its all reasonable, do-oable and it will be a good > thing for our community, and so I'm asking you to take a look at this proto > white paper I've put together and think critically on it, and provide > feedback. > > If you have feedback, this list would be the place for it, and I think in > time if it passes this first test, we should meet at Sudwerk or something > and work on figuring out next steps. > > For now , lets take this as a thought experiment and go from there. > > Here are some links pertinent to this topic > > A coalition of Cities doing this > http://nextcenturycities.org/ > > A way to fund it > http://crowdfiber.com/ > > If others have more links, please share and discuss. I look forward to > working with you all to get this going in our city. > > Best > -- > Rob Nickerson > > CEO > Om Networks > UCD Class of 96 > C: 530-848-3865 > > If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good > recommendation at daviswiki.org, and/or > yelp.com. > Please like us on Facebook > . and put us in your circle > at Google+ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > achment.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: FiberRFEI.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 68506 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > achment.pdf> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > > > End of Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 > ************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > -- Rob Nickerson CEO Om Networks UCD Class of 96 C: 530-848-3865 If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good recommendation at daviswiki.org , and/or yelp.com . Please like us on Facebook . and put us in your circle at Google+ _______________________________________________ Davisgig mailing list Davisgig at list.omsoft.com http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig From rob at omsoft.com Thu Dec 18 19:24:58 2014 From: rob at omsoft.com (Robert Nickerson) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:24:58 -0800 Subject: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <1418953103401.21429@UCDAVIS.EDU> References: , <54936335.2090801@omsoft.com> <1418945781186.4586@UCDAVIS.EDU>, <54938055.30302@omsoft.com> <1418953103401.21429@UCDAVIS.EDU> Message-ID: <54939A8A.50007@omsoft.com> Hi I can provide some written content, everyone that is on this list, if you know other people that should be, please invite them on. You can join here: http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig Thanks All RAN On 12/18/2014 5:38 PM, Fei Li wrote: > I don't think you did a reply-all! > > Anyway, I was thinking about doin the website. Not only for the campaign, but for one or more of the businesses that will service customers, too. > > Where is the content gonna come from? > > ________________________________________ > From: Robert Nickerson > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 5:33 PM > To: Fei Li > Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 > > Hi > > That sounds good. I bought the domain name davisgig.com so we could put > up some nice crisp web2.0 looking page, it could serve as another > organizational tool, be a place to bring people to donate, and help > rally troops to the email list. > > Who has time to make a pretty webpage? > > RAN > > On 12/18/2014 3:36 PM, Fei Li wrote: >> We could try to get 2 documents going: >> >> The first would be for public consumption that: >> 1) Describes the shortfalls of the current ISP models in Davis with specific examples of how Comcast/ATT/Verizon/etc are anti-"things that you support" and pro-"things that you are against". >> 2) Describes the benefits of municipal fiber and how they address the issues that are rampant with our current ISP options. >> >> The second would be for local gov't, businesses, UC Davis, and other interested parties: >> The business and technical aspects of things. I admit that I'm not well-versed in these areas, which is where our collective knowledge and experience will benefit us. >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com on behalf of Robert Nickerson >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:28 PM >> To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 >> >> Hi >> >> Yeah I think a good plan would be to get some kind of talking points, >> and good document. Make sure we have collectively "thought it through" >> >> So when we do go to council folks - we have a good plan of how to do it, >> and how it will work, and we aren't herming and hawing. >> >> So that's why I'm asking for feedback, and perhaps an organizational >> meeting so we can hammer that out. >> >> RAN >> >> On 12/18/2014 2:54 PM, A Hirsch Tree Planter wrote: >>> Robert: >>> >>> Thanks for organizing this. We need to flag this with city council so it is >>> included as part of Davis Innovation park efforts and city Innovation >>> officer has as part of his charter! Comcast is a disaster. >>> >>> Thanks for Sonic -I am luck I live close enough to get reasonable DSL >>> speed. >>> >>> Alan Hirsch >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com >>> [mailto:davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com] On Behalf Of >>> davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:30 PM >>> To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com >>> Subject: Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 >>> >>> Send Davisgig mailing list submissions to >>> davisgig at list.omsoft.com >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> davisgig-owner at list.omsoft.com >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >>> "Re: Contents of Davisgig digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA (Robert Nickerson) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:29:19 -0800 >>> From: Robert Nickerson >>> To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com >>> Subject: [Davisgig] Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA >>> Message-ID:<54923BFF.6060404 at omsoft.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" >>> >>> Hi Davisites >>> >>> WELCOME to the Davis GIG email list. >>> >>> Well, at some point you have expressed interest in getting Gigabit Fiber >>> infrastructure installed in Davis, so I have created this list as one of the >>> tools we can use to explore this concept, and see if we can all bring this >>> to fruition. >>> Attached is a document I wrote up in response to the Fiber Internet (Request >>> for Expression of Interest) RFEI the City of Davis put out in May at the >>> same time the Innovation Park RFEI went out. At the time, I was trying to >>> convince, a larger Stockton based Phone Company to join me in putting in a >>> response, so please excuse the somewhat informal tone of this document, as >>> that was its first incarnation. >>> >>> Omsoft never put in a response, and I'm not aware of other responses, and >>> time has passed. Since then, lots of cities seem to be interested in putting >>> their own networks in, and are committing themselves to providing this >>> infrastructure to their residents, and from my point of view our city would >>> be well suited to do the same. The Internet duoopoly is tightening its hold >>> on things, and net neutrality issues aside, our government's ability to >>> protect the privacy, affordability and integrity of our telecommunications >>> has degraded. >>> >>> Putting in this network will do many positive things for our City, but its >>> going to take a major group effort to get this worked out and approved. I >>> also want to make sure its all reasonable, do-oable and it will be a good >>> thing for our community, and so I'm asking you to take a look at this proto >>> white paper I've put together and think critically on it, and provide >>> feedback. >>> >>> If you have feedback, this list would be the place for it, and I think in >>> time if it passes this first test, we should meet at Sudwerk or something >>> and work on figuring out next steps. >>> >>> For now , lets take this as a thought experiment and go from there. >>> >>> Here are some links pertinent to this topic >>> >>> A coalition of Cities doing this >>> http://nextcenturycities.org/ >>> >>> A way to fund it >>> http://crowdfiber.com/ >>> >>> If others have more links, please share and discuss. I look forward to >>> working with you all to get this going in our city. >>> >>> Best >>> -- >>> Rob Nickerson >>> >>> CEO >>> Om Networks >>> UCD Class of 96 >>> C: 530-848-3865 >>> >>> If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good >>> recommendation at daviswiki.org, and/or >>> yelp.com. >>> Please like us on Facebook >>> . and put us in your circle >>> at Google+ >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> >> achment.html> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: FiberRFEI.pdf >>> Type: application/pdf >>> Size: 68506 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: >>> >> achment.pdf> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Davisgig mailing list >>> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >>> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >>> >>> >>> End of Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 >>> ************************************** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Davisgig mailing list >>> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >>> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >>> >> >> -- >> Rob Nickerson >> >> CEO >> Om Networks >> UCD Class of 96 >> C: 530-848-3865 >> >> If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good >> recommendation at daviswiki.org, and/or >> yelp.com. >> Please like us on Facebook >> . and put us in your >> circle at Google+ >> _______________________________________________ >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >> _______________________________________________ >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >> > > -- > Rob Nickerson > > CEO > Om Networks > UCD Class of 96 > C: 530-848-3865 > > If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good > recommendation at daviswiki.org, and/or > yelp.com. > Please like us on Facebook > . and put us in your > circle at Google+ > -- Rob Nickerson CEO Om Networks UCD Class of 96 C: 530-848-3865 If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good recommendation at daviswiki.org , and/or yelp.com . Please like us on Facebook . and put us in your circle at Google+ From tim at active4.me Fri Dec 19 09:49:43 2014 From: tim at active4.me (Tim Starback) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:49:43 -0800 Subject: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <1418945781186.4586@UCDAVIS.EDU> References: , <54936335.2090801@omsoft.com> <1418945781186.4586@UCDAVIS.EDU> Message-ID: I agree and would like to add: 1. Fiber to the home is inevitable. Moving sooner, means we gain an economic advantage of attracting business and residents to come to Davis. Maintaining control of the network is something we only get one chance at? 2. Rather than present this to the city council as a group, let?s meet individually with each member and find a champion. I may be overly optimistic here but I see this as an easy political win that would have little to no opposition. What we can offer this champion is technical guidance and building support in the community. Lastly if the city is really interested in becoming a public power utility I see fiber to the home as an incremental step to demonstrate competence and gather more public support for such a move. Tim On Dec 18, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Fei Li wrote: > We could try to get 2 documents going: > > The first would be for public consumption that: > 1) Describes the shortfalls of the current ISP models in Davis with specific examples of how Comcast/ATT/Verizon/etc are anti-"things that you support" and pro-"things that you are against". > 2) Describes the benefits of municipal fiber and how they address the issues that are rampant with our current ISP options. > > The second would be for local gov't, businesses, UC Davis, and other interested parties: > The business and technical aspects of things. I admit that I'm not well-versed in these areas, which is where our collective knowledge and experience will benefit us. > > ________________________________________ > From: davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com on behalf of Robert Nickerson > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:28 PM > To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com > Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 > > Hi > > Yeah I think a good plan would be to get some kind of talking points, > and good document. Make sure we have collectively "thought it through" > > So when we do go to council folks - we have a good plan of how to do it, > and how it will work, and we aren't herming and hawing. > > So that's why I'm asking for feedback, and perhaps an organizational > meeting so we can hammer that out. > > RAN > > On 12/18/2014 2:54 PM, A Hirsch Tree Planter wrote: >> Robert: >> >> Thanks for organizing this. We need to flag this with city council so it is >> included as part of Davis Innovation park efforts and city Innovation >> officer has as part of his charter! Comcast is a disaster. >> >> Thanks for Sonic -I am luck I live close enough to get reasonable DSL >> speed. >> >> Alan Hirsch >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com >> [mailto:davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com] On Behalf Of >> davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:30 PM >> To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> Subject: Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 >> >> Send Davisgig mailing list submissions to >> davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> davisgig-owner at list.omsoft.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Davisgig digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA (Robert Nickerson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:29:19 -0800 >> From: Robert Nickerson >> To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> Subject: [Davisgig] Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA >> Message-ID:<54923BFF.6060404 at omsoft.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" >> >> Hi Davisites >> >> WELCOME to the Davis GIG email list. >> >> Well, at some point you have expressed interest in getting Gigabit Fiber >> infrastructure installed in Davis, so I have created this list as one of the >> tools we can use to explore this concept, and see if we can all bring this >> to fruition. >> Attached is a document I wrote up in response to the Fiber Internet (Request >> for Expression of Interest) RFEI the City of Davis put out in May at the >> same time the Innovation Park RFEI went out. At the time, I was trying to >> convince, a larger Stockton based Phone Company to join me in putting in a >> response, so please excuse the somewhat informal tone of this document, as >> that was its first incarnation. >> >> Omsoft never put in a response, and I'm not aware of other responses, and >> time has passed. Since then, lots of cities seem to be interested in putting >> their own networks in, and are committing themselves to providing this >> infrastructure to their residents, and from my point of view our city would >> be well suited to do the same. The Internet duoopoly is tightening its hold >> on things, and net neutrality issues aside, our government's ability to >> protect the privacy, affordability and integrity of our telecommunications >> has degraded. >> >> Putting in this network will do many positive things for our City, but its >> going to take a major group effort to get this worked out and approved. I >> also want to make sure its all reasonable, do-oable and it will be a good >> thing for our community, and so I'm asking you to take a look at this proto >> white paper I've put together and think critically on it, and provide >> feedback. >> >> If you have feedback, this list would be the place for it, and I think in >> time if it passes this first test, we should meet at Sudwerk or something >> and work on figuring out next steps. >> >> For now , lets take this as a thought experiment and go from there. >> >> Here are some links pertinent to this topic >> >> A coalition of Cities doing this >> http://nextcenturycities.org/ >> >> A way to fund it >> http://crowdfiber.com/ >> >> If others have more links, please share and discuss. I look forward to >> working with you all to get this going in our city. >> >> Best >> -- >> Rob Nickerson >> >> CEO >> Om Networks >> UCD Class of 96 >> C: 530-848-3865 >> >> If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good >> recommendation at daviswiki.org, and/or >> yelp.com. >> Please like us on Facebook >> . and put us in your circle >> at Google+ >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> > achment.html> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: FiberRFEI.pdf >> Type: application/pdf >> Size: 68506 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> > achment.pdf> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >> >> >> End of Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 >> ************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >> > > -- > Rob Nickerson > > CEO > Om Networks > UCD Class of 96 > C: 530-848-3865 > > If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good > recommendation at daviswiki.org , and/or > yelp.com . > Please like us on Facebook > . and put us in your > circle at Google+ > _______________________________________________ > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > _______________________________________________ > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig --------------------------- www.active4.me PO BOX 73311 Davis CA 95617 530-402-8250 Ext. 101 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ls at whitewavedigital.com Fri Dec 19 10:27:13 2014 From: ls at whitewavedigital.com (Larry Dieterich) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:27:13 -0800 Subject: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <1418945781186.4586@UCDAVIS.EDU> References: <, > <54936335.2090801@omsoft.com> <1418945781186.4586@UCDAVIS.EDU> Message-ID: <066D37FA-0713-4994-A12D-5435EF24183A@whitewavedigital.com> > On Dec 18, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Fei Li wrote: > > We could try to get 2 documents going: > Here are a few things that come to mind initially. We might want to keep it simple and focus on things that are broadly appreciated. > The first would be for public consumption that: > 1) Describes the shortfalls of the current ISP models in Davis with specific examples of how Comcast/ATT/Verizon/etc are anti-"things that you support" and pro-"things that you are against?. Slow speeds Distant and unresponsive tech support Lack of trust. > 2) Describes the benefits of municipal fiber and how they address the issues that are rampant with our current ISP options. > Faster speeds Local and responsive tech support Trustworthiness > The second would be for local gov't, businesses, UC Davis, and other interested parties: > The business and technical aspects of things. I admit that I'm not well-versed in these areas, which is where our collective knowledge and experience will benefit us. > > ________________________________________ > From: davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com on behalf of Robert Nickerson > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:28 PM > To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com > Subject: Re: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 > > Hi > > Yeah I think a good plan would be to get some kind of talking points, > and good document. Make sure we have collectively "thought it through" > > So when we do go to council folks - we have a good plan of how to do it, > and how it will work, and we aren't herming and hawing. > > So that's why I'm asking for feedback, and perhaps an organizational > meeting so we can hammer that out. > > RAN > > On 12/18/2014 2:54 PM, A Hirsch Tree Planter wrote: >> Robert: >> >> Thanks for organizing this. We need to flag this with city council so it is >> included as part of Davis Innovation park efforts and city Innovation >> officer has as part of his charter! Comcast is a disaster. >> >> Thanks for Sonic -I am luck I live close enough to get reasonable DSL >> speed. >> >> Alan Hirsch >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com >> [mailto:davisgig-bounces at list.omsoft.com] On Behalf Of >> davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:30 PM >> To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> Subject: Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 >> >> Send Davisgig mailing list submissions to >> davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> davisgig-request at list.omsoft.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> davisgig-owner at list.omsoft.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Davisgig digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA (Robert Nickerson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:29:19 -0800 >> From: Robert Nickerson >> To: davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> Subject: [Davisgig] Innovation with Internet in Davis, CA >> Message-ID:<54923BFF.6060404 at omsoft.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" >> >> Hi Davisites >> >> WELCOME to the Davis GIG email list. >> >> Well, at some point you have expressed interest in getting Gigabit Fiber >> infrastructure installed in Davis, so I have created this list as one of the >> tools we can use to explore this concept, and see if we can all bring this >> to fruition. >> Attached is a document I wrote up in response to the Fiber Internet (Request >> for Expression of Interest) RFEI the City of Davis put out in May at the >> same time the Innovation Park RFEI went out. At the time, I was trying to >> convince, a larger Stockton based Phone Company to join me in putting in a >> response, so please excuse the somewhat informal tone of this document, as >> that was its first incarnation. >> >> Omsoft never put in a response, and I'm not aware of other responses, and >> time has passed. Since then, lots of cities seem to be interested in putting >> their own networks in, and are committing themselves to providing this >> infrastructure to their residents, and from my point of view our city would >> be well suited to do the same. The Internet duoopoly is tightening its hold >> on things, and net neutrality issues aside, our government's ability to >> protect the privacy, affordability and integrity of our telecommunications >> has degraded. >> >> Putting in this network will do many positive things for our City, but its >> going to take a major group effort to get this worked out and approved. I >> also want to make sure its all reasonable, do-oable and it will be a good >> thing for our community, and so I'm asking you to take a look at this proto >> white paper I've put together and think critically on it, and provide >> feedback. >> >> If you have feedback, this list would be the place for it, and I think in >> time if it passes this first test, we should meet at Sudwerk or something >> and work on figuring out next steps. >> >> For now , lets take this as a thought experiment and go from there. >> >> Here are some links pertinent to this topic >> >> A coalition of Cities doing this >> http://nextcenturycities.org/ >> >> A way to fund it >> http://crowdfiber.com/ >> >> If others have more links, please share and discuss. I look forward to >> working with you all to get this going in our city. >> >> Best >> -- >> Rob Nickerson >> >> CEO >> Om Networks >> UCD Class of 96 >> C: 530-848-3865 >> >> If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good >> recommendation at daviswiki.org, and/or >> yelp.com. >> Please like us on Facebook >> . and put us in your circle >> at Google+ >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> > achment.html> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: FiberRFEI.pdf >> Type: application/pdf >> Size: 68506 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> > achment.pdf> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >> >> >> End of Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 >> ************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig >> > > -- > Rob Nickerson > > CEO > Om Networks > UCD Class of 96 > C: 530-848-3865 > > If we have helped you in a positive way, please give us a good > recommendation at daviswiki.org , and/or > yelp.com . > Please like us on Facebook > . and put us in your > circle at Google+ > _______________________________________________ > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > _______________________________________________ > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig From ls at whitewavedigital.com Fri Dec 19 11:16:30 2014 From: ls at whitewavedigital.com (Larry Dieterich) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:16:30 -0800 Subject: [Davisgig] Davisgig Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24D4A748-5BE1-46EC-9B68-BDDEAA296BC0@whitewavedigital.com> > > If others have more links, please share and discuss. I look forward to > working with you all to get this going in our city. This is current stuff. http://www.muninetworks.org > Bandwidth is no longer an issue. From the BBPMag article: > > Danielle Svonavec?s seventh-grade students study music composition using online software. A year ago, just half the class could be connected at a time. Even with that limited number, slow connections meant wasted time as students waited for the software to store and process their work. This year, all students are online. Response is seamless. Instead of being frustrated by computer issues, students work without distraction. The class is able to take full advantage of the software and learning is enhanced as students hear their compositions played back instantly as they work. From rob at omsoft.com Fri Dec 19 21:48:47 2014 From: rob at omsoft.com (rob) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:48:47 -0800 Subject: [Davisgig] A question Message-ID: <0a956d1debe092a965865a280d5ce6d9@dcn.org> Hi So thanks for the feedback about having 2 documents, and having some themes to reference in the content inside of them. The getting a person on the council to by strongly excited about doing this is good, and that is a requirement to get them on board, as well as the city manager. To do that requires some organization and time. At this point, before we get involved in doing that. My specific question Do you think the operating structure outline in the document I attached is realistic and achievable, specifically, the whole wholesale city-owned layer 1 and 2 ( physical and transport) and have retail ISPs come in to sell the gigabit speeds. Does it make business sense, do you think it would work? From my point of view, it definitely can at a hardware and network engineering layer. I also know how to make the phone company part happen, on the regulatory level with the PUC, how it works, and how to get it done. That gives us access to the conduit and the poles and stuff. The financial aspect, the management aspect, other possible liability issues are areas that need more study from better minds\. If this is a realistic scenario, I'd suggest we also try a strategic planning session to work out some more of a road map, and get some more engineer input from campus. After all, they handle a rather large almost munifiber network themselves. Burlington Vermont did this and they had issues that I'd like to avoid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Telecom http://www.burlingtontelecom.net/Home IT is now more commercial, but it started as a non profit CLEC, that had city school district and college people, so its history is something to be investigated. Thanks RAN From ls at whitewavedigital.com Sat Dec 20 18:57:51 2014 From: ls at whitewavedigital.com (Larry Dieterich) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:57:51 -0800 Subject: [Davisgig] A question In-Reply-To: <0a956d1debe092a965865a280d5ce6d9@dcn.org> References: <0a956d1debe092a965865a280d5ce6d9@dcn.org> Message-ID: <80AB2B68-E28D-4C2D-84F1-5AC461D30044@whitewavedigital.com> On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:48 PM, rob wrote: > > Hi > > So thanks for the feedback about having 2 documents, and having some themes to reference in the content inside of them. > > The getting a person on the council to by strongly excited about doing this is good, and that is a requirement to get them on board, as well as the city manager. To do that requires some organization and time. > > At this point, before we get involved in doing that. > > My specific question > > Do you think the operating structure outline in the document I attached is realistic and achievable, specifically, the whole wholesale city-owned layer 1 and 2 ( physical and transport) and have retail ISPs come in to sell the gigabit speeds. Does it make business sense, do you think it would work? > > From my point of view, it definitely can at a hardware and network engineering layer. > I also know how to make the phone company part happen, on the regulatory level with the PUC, how it works, and how to get it done. That gives us access to the conduit and the poles and stuff. > The financial aspect, the management aspect, other possible liability issues are areas that need more study from better minds\. > > > If this is a realistic scenario, I'd suggest we also try a strategic planning session to work out some more of a road map, and get some more engineer input from campus. After all, they handle a rather large almost munifiber network themselves. > > Burlington Vermont did this and they had issues that I'd like to avoid. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Telecom > http://www.burlingtontelecom.net/Home > > > IT is now more commercial, but it started as a non profit CLEC, that had city school district and college people, so its history is something to be investigated. > > Thanks > RAN > _______________________________________________ > Davisgig mailing list > Davisgig at list.omsoft.com > http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig I looked at the document and I confess to not having insight into the financial and business ends of the equation here. I?d defer to the experience of other projects as to the workability of the funding and business arrangements. I think the political appeal has to come from the attractiveness of the product, both in terms of the utility (as in usefulness) and the cost to the city and the consumers. I found a recent (10/14) Pew research paper about gigabit public networks. It is attached. I think one of the things that needs to happen is for us to reach out to some learned members of our community to ask them to engage here. I feel that we need some more brainpower and experience. I am Bcc: ing some folks as a way of inviting them to join this discussion. I think that everybody in our community would like to see- A - faster public network B - spending our Internet money with entities we like Larry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PIP_KillerAppsinGigabitAge_100914.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 647558 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rl at 1st-mile.org Wed Dec 24 10:51:31 2014 From: rl at 1st-mile.org (Richard Lowenberg) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:51:31 -0700 Subject: [Davisgig] Greetings Message-ID: <7E5E097D-4147-456E-9ABA-AE83DF1B0D4F@1st-mile.org> Holiday greetings, all. Thanks for setting this up, Rob. As personal introduction for list subscribers: Though I am no longer in Davis, I continue to have a love of Davis and the region, and am an Omsoft/DCN network user. I was an early 'community Internetworking' champion, integrating that with rural community eco-planning and new media arts, beginning in the 1970s. I was Exec. Dir. of DCN from 1996-2006, and had minor fiber and wireless community networking involvements across the US and globally. Since 2006, I have directed the 1st-Mile Institute, and working with Andrew Cohill, PhD, (Design Nine, Inc.) have been involved in planning 'open fiber' networking initiatives across the US., especially focusing on the financial, management and organizational structures for 1st-Mile networks and services. I would love to be of help on a Davis Gig initiative, having extensive experience, contacts, references and resources to share. I can easily be available via email or via Skype or Google+ Hangout, for working meetings and processes. An initial question: - What is the status of the Yolo County LAFCo Next Gen. Broadband Initiative? - What resulted from the RFEI earlier in the year? - Is Rob White the primary City staff person on this? - How might DCN be involved? - As UCD is a key, what are their interests and plans? - Is there a time frame for civic organizing, planning, decisionmaking, contracting or deployment? - Are there any vested-interest 'shoe-in' entities or concerns to be understood? I'll stop here. I look forward to participating and hopefully being of help. Richard --------------------------------------------------------- Richard Lowenberg, Executive Director 1st-Mile Institute www.1st-mile.org P. O. Box 8001, Santa Fe, NM 87504 505-603-5200 rl at 1st-mile.org --------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From clark at dodsworth.com Wed Dec 24 16:07:50 2014 From: clark at dodsworth.com (Clark Dodsworth) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:07:50 -0800 Subject: [Davisgig] one key step. Was Re: A question In-Reply-To: <80AB2B68-E28D-4C2D-84F1-5AC461D30044@whitewavedigital.com> References: <0a956d1debe092a965865a280d5ce6d9@dcn.org> <80AB2B68-E28D-4C2D-84F1-5AC461D30044@whitewavedigital.com> Message-ID: <69691EFE-6F92-44F1-96DD-D2C77F5DBA17@dodsworth.com> Thanks, Larry and Rob, for your thinking and work regarding a city-owned layer 1 & 2 plan. I listened to presentations by the consulting firm brought in by the city several months ago. It?s viable. The most important thing (from our perspective) is for the technical community to continuously "be at the table.? We need to maintain real presence at the various meetings of City staff, consultants, community interest groups, Chamber of Commerce, Downtown Davis, etc., contributing as needed, and to keep the discussants aware of two things: (1) The benefits, described from an access point of view; the business opportunities that can happen if A is available, and B is built on top of A, etc. This is partly a technically-informed, solidly-grounded vision, and partly a road map, begun by the consultants, BUT translated by the local technical authorities (very much involving davisgig) into terms that relate directly to the Davis community as a whole. (2) The technical issues of each step in the decision process, with estimates of their cost in cash, time, and the necessary collaboration, communication, and compromise?.so that none are overlooked, to emerge later as higher costs. All best for the holidays, -Clark Clark Dodsworth Osage Associates clark at dodsworth.com @clarkdodsworth www.dodsworth.com +1 530.262.7800 m. +1 530.757.6300 o. On Dec 20, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Larry Dieterich wrote: > On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:48 PM, rob wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> So thanks for the feedback about having 2 documents, and having some themes to reference in the content inside of them. >> >> The getting a person on the council to by strongly excited about doing this is good, and that is a requirement to get them on board, as well as the city manager. To do that requires some organization and time. >> >> At this point, before we get involved in doing that. >> >> My specific question >> >> Do you think the operating structure outline in the document I attached is realistic and achievable, specifically, the whole wholesale city-owned layer 1 and 2 ( physical and transport) and have retail ISPs come in to sell the gigabit speeds. Does it make business sense, do you think it would work? >> >> From my point of view, it definitely can at a hardware and network engineering layer. >> I also know how to make the phone company part happen, on the regulatory level with the PUC, how it works, and how to get it done. That gives us access to the conduit and the poles and stuff. >> The financial aspect, the management aspect, other possible liability issues are areas that need more study from better minds\. >> >> >> If this is a realistic scenario, I'd suggest we also try a strategic planning session to work out some more of a road map, and get some more engineer input from campus. After all, they handle a rather large almost munifiber network themselves. >> >> Burlington Vermont did this and they had issues that I'd like to avoid. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Telecom >> http://www.burlingtontelecom.net/Home >> >> IT is now more commercial, but it started as a non profit CLEC, that had city school district and college people, so its history is something to be investigated. >> >> Thanks >> RAN >> _______________________________________________ >> Davisgig mailing list >> Davisgig at list.omsoft.com >> http://list.omsoft.com/mailman/listinfo/davisgig > > I looked at the document and I confess to not having insight into the financial and business ends of the equation here. I?d defer to the experience of other projects as to the workability of the funding and business arrangements. > > I think the political appeal has to come from the attractiveness of the product, both in terms of the utility (as in usefulness) and the cost to the city and the consumers. > > I found a recent (10/14) Pew research paper about gigabit public networks. It is attached. > > I think one of the things that needs to happen is for us to reach out to some learned members of our community to ask them to engage here. I feel that we need some more brainpower and experience. I am Bcc: ing some folks as a way of inviting them to join this discussion. > > I think that everybody in our community would like to see- > A - faster public network > B - spending our Internet money with entities we like > > Larry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russell at vort.org Wed Dec 24 14:00:56 2014 From: russell at vort.org (Russell Neches) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:00:56 -0800 Subject: [Davisgig] Introduction and some small-scale ideas Message-ID: <1419458456.21210.22.camel@vort.org> Greetings, folks. I'm a commissioner on the newly convened City of Davis Bicycling, Transportation, and Street Safety Commission. Details about our commission can be found here : http://city-council.cityofdavis.org/commissions/bicycling-transportation-and-street-safety-commission I'm also a graduate student at UC Davis, and I live downtown. One of the more difficult issues associated with the construction of new data networks is managing community response to disruptions, both temporary (mostly trench digging) and permanent (mostly equipment cabinets). I would recommend two strategies for mitigating these issues. For trench digging, long-term coordination with the staff's schedule for road maintenance. The schedule is pretty complicated, and it changes frequently depending on budgets, weather and administrative priorities. So, it would probably be a good idea to begin roughing out the proposed construction plan as soon as possible, and to maintain regular contact with us. Ideally, trench digging would be coordinated with normally scheduled road resurfacing. This would minimize the duration of the disruption and leave behind some immediately tangible benefits to the impacted residents afterwards. The second problem is what to do about the inevitable profusion of above-ground equipment cabinets. This issue has to be dealt with on a neighborhood-by-neighborhood basis. Early knowledge of where the cabinets need to be located will be essential. Identifying alternative locations for each cabinet will also be essential. Approaching and listening to HOAs and local businesses about these alternatives will also be essential. People hate equipment cabinets, and delays associated with executing the required due process for complaints about equipment cabinets is a major financial risk. Usually, the way telcom companies deal with this issue is through a combination of sneaking and astroturfing; they sneak through the process as quietly as possible so that residents don't know what's about to happen, and then when people start complaining, they blitz the various public fora with their own (usually payed) supporters. I would rather see a technical approach to the problem. There is no reason an equipment cabinet has to look like an ugly gray monolith. They could be built into bike shelters, or bus stops, or park benches. They could be art projects. Public access terminals. Weather stations. Safety call boxes. Waste heat from the equipment inside could be directed to something useful, like keeping a bench warm and dry in the winter. It could keep a chicken coop, or owl nesting box warm. Lining up neighborhood support for these cabinets could save millions of dollars. Of course, delivering reasonably priced gigabit internet is a reasonable argument in favor of putting up with ugly equipment cabinets. However, it is a long-term argument that is not likely to persuade everyone, and the few people who remain unconvinced can cause major delays and cost overruns. With a little creative design and some good-faith engagement, the equipment cabinets for the project can be turned into political advantages rather than liabilities. Russell